Supplemental: Police shootings are an important topic!

WEDNESDAY, APRIL 1, 2015

A widely bruited statistic:
Have police been shooting young black men more frequently in recent years, or does it just seem that way?

Do police “target” young black men? If so, to what extent?

According to the New York Times’ Matt Apuzzo, the Justice Department found that Philadelphia police have not been “targeting” blacks when they engage in shootings. This is said to be true in spite of some striking statistics:

Philadelphia was roughly 44 percent black during the period in question. But 80 percent of police shootings during that period involved blacks.

Readers of Apuzzo’s news report weren’t struck by that disparity. He failed to include that first statistic in his front-page report. At the very end of his report, he did include this:
APUZZO (3/24/15): Both Commissioner Ramsey and [Mayor] Nutter, who are black, said they welcomed the Justice Department’s conclusions and would quickly begin acting on the recommendations. But they reminded people of the violence plaguing the city.

“Folks need to quit killing each other,” Commissioner Ramsey said, noting that about 85 percent of victims and perpetrators in Philadelphia are black. He said he was not proud of that figure. “In case you haven’t noticed, I’m black myself.”

Mr. Nutter added: “People want good police officers. Police officers need good citizens.”
According to that passage, 85 percent of people involved in killings in Philadelphia are black. This may put that earlier statistic about police shootings into some sort of perspective.

Apuzzo didn’t say that the Justice Department formed its judgment on this basis. But he did report that the Justice Department found that Philly police have not been “targeting” blacks.

We don’t know if that assessment is accurate, in part for an obvious reason—we read major American papers and watch cable “news” channels. A person is unlikely to get much information from such sources, even about an important topic like this.

Are police shootings on the rise? To what extent are young black men inappropriately “targeted?” In one of his most astute observations, Apuzzo offered this:
APUZZO: The statistics [about police shootings in Philadelphia] were laid out in a Justice Department report on Monday, which does not allege racial discrimination but offers an unusually deep look at the use of lethal force inside a major city police department, including information on the race of officers and suspects. It is the kind of data that has been nearly absent from the debate over police tactics that began last summer with a deadly shooting in Ferguson, Mo.
So true! As has been widely noted, there aren’t a lot of sound data about police shootings in the United States. Instead, we tend to “discuss” the topic through the use of anecdotal incidents, concerning which we the liberals tend to invent bogus facts.

The data are extremely limited, and some of the data may not be real good. Consider the pleasing claim in which it was widely said that young black men were 21 times more likely to be killed by police than their white counterparts.

The statistic came from ProPublica, which is generally considered to be a reliable source.

That statistic was widely bruited in the aftermath of Michael Brown’s death. The statistic seemed a bit hard to reconcile with the other slivers of data which seem to exist. But it got a lot of play from us on the pseudo-left.

Uh-oh! We didn’t know this until last week, but serious questions seem to exist concerning that pleasing statistic. At St. Louis Public Radio, William Freivogel wrote this back in December:
FREIVOGEL (12/10/14): An article of faith among those protesting Brown’s death and among much of the media writing about the protests is that young African-American men are far more likely to be shot by police than young white men.

Much of the national media—The New York Times, USA Today, Christian Science Monitor, Daily Kos, Daily Beast and Vox among others—have quoted an October ProPublica study of FBI data showing that between 2010 and 2012, black males 15 to 19 years old were 21 times more likely than white males that age to be killed by police.

What hasn’t gotten attention is that leading criminologists criticize the ProPublica findings as exaggerated. It’s true that black youths are killed more often than white youths, the critics agree, but the disparity over the past 15 years is much lower than the three-year period featured by ProPublica. The longer period is more statistically accurate, they say.

[David] Klinger doesn’t mince words: “The ProPublica thing needs to be shut down. They cherry picked the three years that had the worst disparity instead of being honest about the whole picture.

"The ProPublica analysis is absolute garbage because it is based on the FBI’s supplemental homicide reports. I told them, don't do it because the stats are horseshit.”

When ProPublica went ahead with the report and then quoted Klinger, the criminologist demanded that the news organization remove his name from the story, but it refused.

Peter Moskos, a former Baltimore police officer and now criminology professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice called the ProPublica study “substantially wrong.” In his “Cop in the Hood” blog, Moskos wrote that the 21:1 ratio is the result of the way ProPublica parsed the data...
For ourselves, we can’t settle this question; there’s more information in that report.

Warning! At one point, Moskos offers a peculiar thought, saying this: “it's important to base opinions and public policy on fact.”

ProPublica stands by its work. Back in December, it appended this “update” to its original report:
PROPUBLICA (12/23/14): ProPublica shared its findings and methodology with Prof. David Klinger before this story appeared. In two interviews with reporters, he noted that the FBI data has serious shortcomings. But he also said the disparity ProPublica had found between black and white victims was so large, it was unlikely to have resulted solely from omissions in the FBI statistics. After the story appeared, Klinger said flaws in the FBI data made it unusable. ProPublica contacted Klinger and asked him to elaborate, but he declined to comment further. We stand by the analysis. A full response to the arguments Klinger and another critic have raised is here.
The disparity “was unlikely to have resulted solely from omissions in the FBI statistics?” On its face, that’s a weak defense. To read ProPublica’s fuller response, you can just click this.

What are the actual facts about police shootings? We can’t tell you that. But we can assure you of this:

Over the past thirty years, our public debates have rarely turned on actual facts. Our debates tend to turn on phony statistics and pleasing anecdotes—anecdotes which have often been embellished by one of our tribes to drive a preapproved narrative.

We liberals now play this game with great joy, just as Rush and Sean have traditionally done. That said, the question of police shootings is important. We’d like to know what is true.

According to Apuzzo, the Justice Department found that Philly’s police force hasn’t been “targeting” blacks in its police shootings. That finding seems to fly in the face of widely held current assumptions.

We don’t know if that finding is accurate. But neither do the creepy professors and cable stars who now propagandize us the liberal rubes in much the same way Rush and Sean have always done with their suggestible brood.

Despite their skills as moral showboats, we’ve come to dislike these lower life-forms. Until your lizard brain tells you to stop, you might consider it too.

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  1. "The statistic came from ProPublica, which is generally considered to be a reliable source."

    From ProPublica:
    The Education Writers Association has announced ProPublica the winner of two National Awards for Education Reporting. Nikole Hannah-Jones won first place in the beat reporting category for her in-depth look into the country's rapidly resegregating schools. Heather Vogell and Annie Waldman won first place in the single-topic news or features category for their series on the use of restraints and seclusion in public schools.

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    1. The same Hannah-Jones that Bob shredded recently?

      How the worm turns.

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  2. Somerby seems to think that complex social questions have clearcut definitive answers if people just look at the data. They often don't. So professors argue about the research and get called creepy for their efforts.

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    1. But it is creepy to seize upon a statistic without acknowledging the significant problems with it.

      That practice, widespread in our media, should indeed be described as pretending "that complex social questions have clearcut definitive answers." Somerby on the whole seems to be arguing against that widespread practice.

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    2. Seems to me Professor Klinger was arguing against it too.

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    3. 6:33 PM - when it suits him.

      9:12 PM - if you read the whole article, Klinger never presents the "whole picture" either. Agenda, maybe?

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  4. If cops are made to account for every bullet they fire, then each and every law enforcement agency across the country should be required to report, make record of, and account for every fatal encounter that occurs in contact with the public. A national Justice Dept database made public record. Duly failing to report a death would then trigger a mandatory full investigative inquiry.

    With current overall data sketchy and incomplete, we need to put things above board, I think there's a lot to learn, it would be well worth the investment.

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  5. According to the NYT, "the Justice Department found that Philadelphia police have not been “targeting” blacks when they engage in shootings."

    The troll won't touch that hot potato.

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    1. Well, rest your fevered mind. NOBODY -- trolls or fans -- seems to want to touch Somerby's potatoes any more, hot or otherwise.

      This is the 13th comment in a national blog combox on a thread posted yesterday afternoon. Three of them were submitted by the spellcasters.

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    2. My friends laugh at me behind because I was advised not to touch hot potato yet.

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    3. Since spotting the Somerby series on statistics
      some said it showed squat and squadoosh about some shit. Some showed signs of squadoodles. Spellcasters saved several.

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    4. Asked to touched the hot potato, the troll's replies were:

      1) Hot potatoes should not be touched.
      2) 3 paragraphs about non-DOJ stuff.
      3) Something about spellcaster.

      Bob Scores. The troll's hands remain unburned.

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    5. Correction: Reply #2 contained four (not three) hot-potato-dodging paragraphs.

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  6. Bogus statistics are sometimes necessary. If there is no longer enough racism to ensure enough blacks are killed to satisfy white progressives, then numbers must be invented so that white progressives can continue to feel good about disproportionate killings of blacks, which enables them to in turn bathe themselves in self-righteous social justice glory as they tweet their outrage.

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    1. Warning to casual readers of this blog: These comments are unmoderated. They are infested by commenters who routinely attack progressives in a variety of ways, rarely consistent with the blog author's attacks on such tribal dummies. Such attacks are not an indicator of the level of intellect displayed by the author when he labels people pseudo-liberals, the validity of the content posted by the esteemed blog author when stereotyping creeping maoists, or the utility of rules of thumb employed when examining statistics.

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    2. "Consider the pleasing claim in which it was widely said that young black men were 21 times more likely to be killed by police than their white counterparts."

      Bob Somerby

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    3. Progressives lack the education necessary for statistical analysis since they are offered a "safe space" of protection from the less pleasing data, such as those revealing extreme racial disparities in the commission of violent crime.

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    4. "Progressives lack the education necessary ..."

      The generalizing troll strikes again. You work on the same team as cicero?

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  7. A fair comparison would illustrate the criminality of predatory lending, corporate tax cheating, political patronage, xenophobia, Elmer Gantry-ism, chauvinism, war mongering, "drill baby drill," gun proliferation, red lining, global warming denying, etc.

    (Hat tip to joe manning at WARN)

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  8. @10:20 Thought police checks in. You're the worst combination of zealous and stupid.

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  10. Hello to every one out here,

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    Thanks for reading
    Mary Owen.

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  15. I am Vanella Jones i lives in united states and i was in a serious relationship with my boyfriend for 3 years.. One day we were in a dinner party, we had a little misunderstanding which lead to a Quarrel and he stood up and left me at the dinner party. i try to call him but he was not picking my calls so after than i contacted my brother and told him about it,my brother so much love me that he had to see him on my behalf,he told my brother that it is over between us. I cry all day, Then i contacted a friend of mine that had this similar experience and she directed me to dr osasuyi , and i contacted him and tell him my problems how i lost my relationship with my lover. at first i thought it was not going to be possible.i was ask to come up with a little requirement information of me and my boyfriend,so i did what i was ask to do, after 24Hours the spell was cast i was in my office when clark called me and was asking me to forgive him. i was very surprise it was like a dream to me. my boyfriend is now back and he treat me well. and our relationship is now stronger ask ever before. if you are out there looking for help is time for you to still put your hope on dr osasuyi love spell, i promise you that you will be happy with your boyfriend again email him. drosasuyi@gmail.com or you can also call him with this number +2347053161101.

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  16. My name is jessica smith, I am From U S A. I
    wish to share my testimonies with the general public about
    what this man called Dr ogbefu has just done for me , this man
    has just brought back my lost Ex husband to me with his great
    spell, I was married to this man called smith we were together
    for a long time and we loved each order but when I was unable
    to give him a child for 2 years he left me and told me he can’t
    continue anymore then I was now looking for ways to get him
    back until a friend of mine told me about this man and gave
    his contact email drogbefuspellcastertemple@gmail.com, then you wont
    believe this, when I contacted this man on my problems he
    prepared this spell cast and bring my lost husband back, and
    after a month I miss my month and go for a test and the result
    stated am pregnant am happy
    today am a mother of a baby boy, thank you once again Dr
    Ogbefu for what you have done for me, if you are out there
    passing through any of this problems listed below contact him
    today drogbefuspellcastertemple@gmail.com
    1) If you want your ex back.
    (2) if you always have bad dreams.
    (3) You want to be promoted in your office.
    (4) You want women/men to run after you.
    (5) If you want a child.
    (6) You want to be rich.
    (7) You want to tie your husband/wife to be
    yours forever.
    (8) If you need financial assistance etc

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  17. Life is good when you have your love ones around you, I am saying this because when i had issues with my lover i never seen life as a good thing but thanks to Dr. AGBAZARA of AGBAZARA TEMPLE, for helping me to cast a spell that brought my lover back to me within the space of 48hours. My husband left me for another woman after 7YEARS of marriage,but Dr.AGBAZARA help me cast a spell that brought him back to me within 48hours. I am not going to tell you more details about myself rather i will only advise those who are having issues in there relationship or marriages to contact Dr.AGBAZARA TEMPLE through these details via;
    (agbazara@gmail.com) or call him on (+2348104102662).

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  18. Are you searching the internet looking for a sincere and honest spell caster?then search no further and quickly contact this great man who helped me cast a spell to cure my fibroid to enable me get pregnant just within two days after my ex had earlier abandoned me for another girl because i am unable to get pregnant he also helped me cast a spell to help me bring him back home and now we are happy again and we have a baby boy.You too can contact this great man on,FINALSOLUTIONSPELLCAST@GMAIL.COM or FINALSOLUTIONSPELLCAST@YAHOO.COM call his mobile number on +2347034249441.

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  19. I am here to give testimony of how i got back my husband who left me over 3 months now, we got married for more than 7 years and have gotten two kids. thing were going well with us and we are always happy. until one day my husband started to behave in a way i could not understand, i was very confused by the way he treat me and the kids. later that month he did not come home again and he called me that he want a divorce, i asked him what have i done wrong to deserve this from him, all he was saying is that he want a divorce that he hate me and do not want to see me again in his life, i was mad and also frustrated do not know what to do,i was sick for more than 2 weeks because of the divorce. i love him so much he was everything to me without him my life is incomplete. So i decided to tell my co-worker and when i told her shell told me that there is a Psychic spell caster named Priest Ehi that i should contact him that he can solve my problems. So she gave me his email and his website and i contacted Priest Ehi and explained everything that has happen to him. And he only tell me not to worry that my husband was going to come back to me just as he left i thought it was a joke. But it was a surprise to me when it happen the way Priest Ehi said it. Now i am a leaving testimony to what Priest Ehi can do. So if you are passing through similar problem just as i was you can as well contact Priest Ehi i know he will still solve your problem as well. Here is Priest ehi email psychicspells1@hotmail.com or his website on http://psychicspells1.webs.com. You call also call his telephone number +1 478 250 1797

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  20. I am here to give testimony of how i got back my husband who left me over 3 months now, we got married for more than 7 years and have gotten two kids. thing were going well with us and we are always happy. until one day my husband started to behave in a way i could not understand, i was very confused by the way he treat me and the kids. later that month he did not come home again and he called me that he want a divorce, i asked him what have i done wrong to deserve this from him, all he was saying is that he want a divorce that he hate me and do not want to see me again in his life, i was mad and also frustrated do not know what to do,i was sick for more than 2 weeks because of the divorce. i love him so much he was everything to me without him my life is incomplete. So i decided to tell my co-worker and when i told her shell told me that there is a Psychic spell caster named Priest Ehi that i should contact him that he can solve my problems. So she gave me his email and his website and i contacted Priest Ehi and explained everything that has happen to him. And he only tell me not to worry that my husband was going to come back to me just as he left i thought it was a joke. But it was a surprise to me when it happen the way Priest Ehi said it. Now i am a leaving testimony to what Priest Ehi can do. So if you are passing through similar problem just as i was you can as well contact Priest Ehi i know he will still solve your problem as well. Here is Priest ehi email psychicspells1@hotmail.com or his website on http://psychicspells1.webs.com. You call also call his telephone number +1 478 250 1797

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  21. Am so happy to share my experience and testimony here about my happy family which suddenly got broken.I am Kimberly Johnson from Ohio,USA.I was married for 6 years to my husband and all of a sudden, another woman came into the picture the man that used to love me before started picking quarrels with me he was so abusive that when i try to tell him the truth about how i feel and what he is doing is not right for the family, he gets very angry and hits me with any thing he sees around him. but i still loved him with all my heart despite all he has done to me and i wanted him back at all cost. then he filled for a divorce my whole life was tearing apart and i didn't know what to do,he moved out of the house and abandoned me and the kids. so a very close friend of mine told me about trying a love spell means to get my husband back she also use Prophet Zulu love spell to get back his divorce husband. And told me they are very much happy with there relationship. and she introduced me to the spell caster,at first i was surprised and scared so i decided to give it a try reluctantly,although i didn't believe in all those things, then when he did the special prayers, i was so surprised, after two days my husband came back and was pleading for my forgiveness, he had realized his mistakes, i just couldn't believe it, anyway we are back together now and we are now one big happy family we use to be is contact address Zuluspelltemple@gmail.com,zuluspelltemple@hotmail.com his spells is for a better life again. tel:+2348131612153

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  22. Am so happy to share my experience and testimony here about my happy family which suddenly got broken.I am Kimberly Johnson from Ohio,USA.I was married for 6 years to my husband and all of a sudden, another woman came into the picture the man that used to love me before started picking quarrels with me he was so abusive that when i try to tell him the truth about how i feel and what he is doing is not right for the family, he gets very angry and hits me with any thing he sees around him. but i still loved him with all my heart despite all he has done to me and i wanted him back at all cost. then he filled for a divorce my whole life was tearing apart and i didn't know what to do,he moved out of the house and abandoned me and the kids. so a very close friend of mine told me about trying a love spell means to get my husband back she also use Prophet Zulu love spell to get back his divorce husband. And told me they are very much happy with there relationship. and she introduced me to the spell caster,at first i was surprised and scared so i decided to give it a try reluctantly,although i didn't believe in all those things, then when he did the special prayers, i was so surprised, after two days my husband came back and was pleading for my forgiveness, he had realized his mistakes, i just couldn't believe it, anyway we are back together now and we are now one big happy family we use to be is contact address Zuluspelltemple@gmail.com,zuluspelltemple@hotmail.com his spells is for a better life again. tel:+2348131612153

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  23. I am here to give testimony of how I got back my husband who left me over 3 months now, we got married for more than 7 years and have gotten two kids. thing were going well with us and we are always happy. until one day my husband started to behave in a way I could not understand, I was very confused by the way he treat me and the kids. later that month he did not come home again and he called me that he want a divorce, I asked him what have I done wrong to deserve this from him, all he was saying is that he want a divorce that he hate me and do not want to see me again in his life, I was mad and also frustrated do not know what to do, i was sick for more than 2 weeks because of the divorce. I love him so much he was everything to me without him my life is incomplete. So I decided to tell my co-worker and when I told her shell told me that there is a Psychic spell caster named Priest ALLI that I should contact him that he can solve my problems. So she gave me his email and his website and I contacted Priest ALLI and explained everything that has happen to him. And he only tell me not to worry that my husband was going to come back to me just as he left I thought it was a joke. But it was a surprise to me when it happen the way Priest ALLI said it. Now I am a leaving testimony to what Priest ALLI can do. So if you are passing through similar problem just as I was you can as well contact Priest ALLI I know he will still solve your problem as well. Here is Priest ALLI email ALLISPELLHELP@GMAIL.COM or his website on You call also call his telephone number +2348149158514

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  24. I am here to give testimony of how I got back my husband who left me over 3 months now, we got married for more than 7 years and have gotten two kids. thing were going well with us and we are always happy. until one day my husband started to behave in a way I could not understand, I was very confused by the way he treat me and the kids. later that month he did not come home again and he called me that he want a divorce, I asked him what have I done wrong to deserve this from him, all he was saying is that he want a divorce that he hate me and do not want to see me again in his life, I was mad and also frustrated do not know what to do, i was sick for more than 2 weeks because of the divorce. I love him so much he was everything to me without him my life is incomplete. So I decided to tell my co-worker and when I told her shell told me that there is a Psychic spell caster named Priest ALLI that I should contact him that he can solve my problems. So she gave me his email and his website and I contacted Priest ALLI and explained everything that has happen to him. And he only tell me not to worry that my husband was going to come back to me just as he left I thought it was a joke. But it was a surprise to me when it happen the way Priest ALLI said it. Now I am a leaving testimony to what Priest ALLI can do. So if you are passing through similar problem just as I was you can as well contact Priest ALLI I know he will still solve your problem as well. Here is Priest ALLI email ALLISPELLHELP@GMAIL.COM or his website on You call also call his telephone number +2348149158514

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  25. Brought back my EX Husband Today was successful Love story of my Life when i was searching Randomly Online for Love tips to solve problem Am having in my Relationship Affairs i don`t believe in Miracle until i saw DR.AGBAZARA TEMPLE contact (agbazara@gmail.com) OR Tel (+2348104102662) , he Find a solution to my relationship problem and make it look better for me , Now am living happily with my Lover who left me before for another lady. Big Thanks to you Dr Agbazara if you need help in your Relationship please do contact him today on these details: agbazara@gmail.com OR call him on +2348104102662 and see for your self what i am talking about..

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  26. I am Wasna Matkaw from USA, When I eventually found testimonies about this spell caster Dr ayaryi , how he helped many people to get their lovers and broken homes back, i contacted him through his email address (driayaryi2012@hotmail.com) because my boyfriend whom i really love with all my heart and also love me too, but suddenly change and turned his back on me and hated me with passion I was absolutely desperate to get my boyfriend back. Life without my boyfriend was a real mess for me and my parent I wanted a dramatic change and I thought magic could be the solution. After discussing the resolution with Dr ayaryi he gave me hope that he will restore my relationship back because he already engaged me. I felt confident that he will actually make my boyfriend to return home and he did! It’s fantastic what this great spell caster have done for me, his help is priceless! I don't know what I would have done without Dr ayaryi does his job so well he is organized and highly functional, i believe he is the best spell caster i can count on when it comes to all kinds of spell, I was floored that his spells worked, if you need help, contact him (driayaryi2012@hotmail.com) I assure you things will turn around for you..

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  27. I am Wasna Matkaw from USA, When I eventually found testimonies about this spell caster Dr ayaryi , how he helped many people to get their lovers and broken homes back, i contacted him through his email address (driayaryi2012@hotmail.com) because my boyfriend whom i really love with all my heart and also love me too, but suddenly change and turned his back on me and hated me with passion I was absolutely desperate to get my boyfriend back. Life without my boyfriend was a real mess for me and my parent I wanted a dramatic change and I thought magic could be the solution. After discussing the resolution with Dr ayaryi he gave me hope that he will restore my relationship back because he already engaged me. I felt confident that he will actually make my boyfriend to return home and he did! It’s fantastic what this great spell caster have done for me, his help is priceless! I don't know what I would have done without Dr ayaryi does his job so well he is organized and highly functional, i believe he is the best spell caster i can count on when it comes to all kinds of spell, I was floored that his spells worked, if you need help, contact him (driayaryi2012@hotmail.com) I assure you things will turn around for you..

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  28. My name is MARY from USA .I am here to give a testimony on how I got my ex boyfriend back. My ex left me for no reason 3 years ago. He moved in with another woman, I felt like killing myself, my life became very bitter and sorrowful. Then 1 day, a friend of mine told me about a great spell caster that is very good to help my problem and, my friend also said that the spell caster gave him some lucky numbers that he played in a lottery and he won. I didn't believe it because I've worked with so many of them and it didn't work. He begged me further so I decided to try this great spell caster called DR SALOBA. I still didn't believe. but I used the spell he gave me and the next day I received a call from my darling boyfriend Thomas last week. He apologized and came back to me. He even gave me 10,000USD as a means of compensating me. I'm very happy now. Thank you DR SALOBA, You can reach DR SALOBA ON via email: salobaspiritualtemple@gmail.com OR you can call my DR SALOBA on +2349036493771. He can solve any problem like,
    (1) If you want your ex back.
    (2) you need a divorce in your relationship.
    (3) You want to be promoted in your office.
    (4) You want women & men to run after you.
    (5) If you want a child.
    (6) You want to be rich.
    (7) You want to tie your husband & wife to be yours forever.
    (8) If you need financial stance.
    (9) He can make you pregnancy.
    (10) He can cure you from any diseases.
    (11) HIV CURE.
    (12) Do you have a low sperm count?
    contact: salobaspiritualtemple@gmail.com

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  29. How to solve relationship and married problem !!

    I can say am the happiest woman on earth because of what Dr Frank Ojo has done in my life for restoring happiness and love back to my family. My name is Helene Wilson. I'm happily married to a lovely and caring husband with two kids. A very big problem occurred in my family seven months ago,between me and my husband .so terrible that he took the case to court for a divorce.he said that he never wanted to stay with me again,and that he didn't love me anymore.So he packed out of the house and made me and my children passed through severe pain. I tried all my possible means to get him back,after much begging,but all to no avail.and he confirmed it that he has made his decision,and he never wanted to see me again. So on one evening,as i was coming back from work,i met an old friend of mine who asked of my husband .So i explained every thing to him,so he told me that the only way i can get my husband back,is to visit a spell caster,because it has really worked for him too.So i never believed in spell,but i had no other choice,than to follow his advice. Then he gave me the email address of the spell caster whom he visited.{Templeofloveandprosperity@gmail.com}. So the next morning,i sent a mail to the address he gave to me,and the spell caster assured me that i will get my husband back the next day.What an amazing statement!! I never believed,so he spoke with me,and told me everything that i need to do. Then the next morning, So surprisingly, my husband who didn't call me for the past 9 months,gave me a call to inform me that he was coming back.So Amazing!! So that was how he came back that same day,with lots of love and joy,and he apologized for his mistake,and for the pain he caused me and my children. Then from that day,our relationship was now stronger than how it were before,by the help of a spell caster. So, If you have any problem contact him, I give you 100% guarantee that he will help you, Thanks to Dr Frank Ojo for bringing back my husband ,and brought great joy to my family once again, SO HERE HIS EMAIL ADDRESS { Templeofloveandprosperity@gmail.com } WEBSITE ADDRESS : http://lovespell2.yolasite.com, Thanks you Dr Frank Ojo, i Helene will always be testifying about your good work.

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  30. I am hear to testify on how a spell caster brought back my ex- wife after 4years of divorce with three kids. I love him so much, so a friend of mine introduced to me a spell caster last month, who did everything spiritually and brought him back to me, now we are together and we love each other like never before, i never believed that love spell cast is real until i found Dr Obasi. I am so happy and i don't know how to thank Dr Obasi for this good work he did for me. Pls i want to use this opportunity to advise anyone looking for help whatever the case maybe you don't need to search anymore because your problems will be solved as soon as you contact this great man Dr Obasi with his email:obasispelltemple@gmail.com he is indeed a great man, he's gods are truely with him. Thanks to Dr Obasi for helping me bring back my husband you can contact him at.obasispelltemple@gmail.com or call his phone number +2348071223911.

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  31. Me and my ex-husband at all times have always tried to stay friendly over again after our divorce which occurred in early Jaunary this year. So i met with this spell caster called Dr aluda on the internet after a long search. And he told me everything that i needed to do, and he also assured me that he is going to reunite us in just 48 hours later after his spell casting. So he started his work on Monday 27th January . You are not going to believe this. He is back!!! Yes, he really came back in 48 hours just as you guaranteed Sir. Now I'm fully persuaded that you are a legit and authentic spell caster and your website is the best i have ever come across. This is so mind-boggling for me. Anthony is back!!! I haven't by any means experienced something like this before. Thank you so much Dr aluda. I never expected such a result. Dream come true. Wow! You were so kind with me. “And may your kindness float back to you like ripples that float back to sea shore”. Thank you Sir for your precious help. I have never been so happy in my life like the way i am today. You are a genuine spirit.You and your work will never be forgotten for making me a fulfilled woman and reuniting me and my ex husband once again.. You are my hero.. The kids are overjoyed to have their father come back home for good. Sir here i am sharing your testimony just as i promised. here is his email address: aludaspelltemple@gmail.com or call and whasapp him on +2348063930531
    Jamila Anthony
    From USA

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  32. Hello every one i am very happy today to share this great testimony with you, I contacted Dr Ogudugu in regards of my lover. He no longer wanted to associate with me anymore. He was interested in working out from the marriage, after begging and pleading with him I realized it was out of my hands, he really was leaving me. My co-worker went through a similar situation and told me that Dr Ogudugu had helped her. I can't say how much I'm grateful she introduced me to Him. After discussing the resolution with Dr Ogudugu, get your lover back spell has done more than what I expected. My lover not only came back to me, but has left his wife and now we are engaged, we are getting married next year, I don't know what I would have done without you. I believe you are my guardian angel you can contact him Via Email GREATOGUDUGU@GMAIL.COM

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  33. I am Julie From Canada,Now I strongly believe in the saying that what a man can do a woman can do better,I was looking for love spell to bring back my EX for the past 24month?s and I tried over 4 spell caster from Africa and non was able to get my Ex back until l I get in-contact with madam Solution who did what I called Black magic.and now my EX has fully return back to me and there is more romance in our relationship please if any one have suffer from the hand of spell caster?s and he or she is looking for love spell that work then Madam Solution is the solution to your problem you can reach her at this Email ID?.. (africabestvodoospell@fastservice.com) africabestvodoospell@fastservice.com

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  34. Hello,

    I'm Dr Ogudugu a real and genuine spell caster with years of experience in spell casting and an expert in all spells, i specialize exclusively in LOVE SPELL/GET YOUR EX LOVER BACK, FRUIT OF THE WOMB SPELL, HIV CURE SPELL, BECOMING A MERMAID SPELL, BECOMING A VAMPIRE SPELL, SAFE CHILD BIRTH SPELL. If you have any problem and you need a real and genuine spell caster to solve your problems, contact me now through my personal Email Address...Note-you can also Call and WhatsApp.

    Contact me -
    Email: greatogudugu@gmail.com
    Phone No: +2348139793075
    WhatsApp No: +2348139793075

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  35. My Dear friends online, My name is amanda bella And i live in USA, ohio, I have to give this miraculous testimony, which is so unbelievable until now. I had a problem with my Ex husband 2 years ago, which lead to our break up. I was not myself again, i felt so empty inside me, my love and financial situation became worst, until a close friend of mine told me about a spell caster who helped her in the same problem too his name is Doctor Jude. I email the spell caster and i told him my problem and i did what he asked of me, to cut the long story short. Before i knew what was happen, less than two days my husband gave me a call and told me that he was coming back to me i was so happy to have him back to me. The most interesting part of the story is that am pregnant. Thanks to Doctor jude for saving my marriage and for also saving others own too. Continue your good work, If you are interested to contact the great spell caster email address: liberationlovespell@gmail.com or contact him on whatsapp +2348034062173

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  36. My Dear friends online, My name is amanda bella And i live in USA, ohio, I have to give this miraculous testimony, which is so unbelievable until now. I had a problem with my Ex husband 2 years ago, which lead to our break up. I was not myself again, i felt so empty inside me, my love and financial situation became worst, until a close friend of mine told me about a spell caster who helped her in the same problem too his name is Doctor Jude. I email the spell caster and i told him my problem and i did what he asked of me, to cut the long story short. Before i knew what was happen, less than two days my husband gave me a call and told me that he was coming back to me i was so happy to have him back to me. The most interesting part of the story is that am pregnant. Thanks to Doctor jude for saving my marriage and for also saving others own too. Continue your good work, If you are interested to contact the great spell caster email address: liberationlovespell@gmail.com or contact him on whatsapp +2348034062173

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  37. DO NOT SUFFER YOUR SELF FROM ANY BREAK DOWN,CURSE OR ANY KIND OF SPIRITUAL SET BACK. COME TO DR NOBLE FOR YOUR HELP. NEVER HIDE YOUR PAIN AND SICKNESS BECAUSE IF YOU DO, YOU WILL NEVER HAVE SOLUTION FOR SUCH PROBLEM. ALWAYS ASK PEOPLE QUESTION AND ALWAYS GO FOR WHAT YOUR MIND TELLS YOU IS GOOD FOR YOU.

    1. HUSBAND / WIFE IN ILLICIT RELATIONS
    2. MOTHER - IN - LAW / DOUGHTIER - IN-LAW ILLICIT PROBLEMS
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    5. SON / DAUGHTER OUT OF ORDER 6. GET SUCCESS IN JOB & PROMOTION. 7. FAME, HEALTH & CAREER 8. FOREIGN TRAVELING ALSO DEAL MANY OTHER PROBLEMS
    9. LUCK IN POLITICS AND SPORT
    10. SPELLS TO WIN COURT CASES
    11. SPELLS TO GET RICH
    12. SPELLS TO WIN LOTTERY AND GAMBLING
    13. DO YOU NEED A POWERFUL GAY LOVE SPELLS?
    14. FIND AND KNOW YOUR SOUL MATE BY CASTING EASY LOVE SPELLS
    15. MARITAL FERTILITY SPELLS AND MANY MORE
    16. SPELLS TO CONTROL YOUR WEIGHT
    17. SPELLS TO AVERT DEATH
    18. SPELL TO DISAPPEAR
    19. SPELL TO CONTROL OTHERS
    20. SPELL FOR VENGEANCE ETC...

    DR NOBLE gives you 100% guaranteed results for all kind of spells till date. I solve lot of cases with the power of my gods. All problems solve by power of DR NOBLE. I need your faith & trust. every thing will work out for your good. remember my spell cast have no side effect and you don't need to do any blood sacrifice before you can get what you need.
    CONTACT: templeofjoyandprosperity1@gmail.com call or whatsapp +2348145643630 you are welcome

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  38. Get your lover back urgent effective love spell to win and get ex boyfriend back my advise reveal you all to contact Dr Ogudugu for a genuine love spell on greatogudugu@gmail.com that work fast. here is my relationship story, i'm MaryJane born in Williamsburg,Virginia Usa..my boyfriend told me it was over and walk away without any reasons, I was confuse and didn't know what to do. I was desperate, I want him back, I went over the internet looking for ways to get my boyfriend back. I read about many different ways of how to get ex back, but Dr Ogudugu caught my attention. I immediately contacted him and explained my problem to him. It was amazing and surprising that 11hrs after the urgent love spell was cast, my boyfriend called me and was begging me to forgive him and accept him back, Couldn't believe, but later after he came to my house and fell on his knees asking me to take him back am so happy that my love is back again. I am testifying on this forum just to let people know that Dr Ogudugu is real and genuine. don't hesitate to try him out. thank you Dr Ogudugu you are truly talented and gifted genuine spell caster. Contact him now if you need your girlfriend/boyfriend back or your girlfriend moved on to another man, do not cry anymore .. Dr Ogudugu is here to help out in relationship problem coz problem share is problem solve:
    Email him at.... greatogudugu@gmail.com
    whatsapp/call...+27663492930

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  39. Akülü istif makineleri, paletli yük taşımak ve istifleme yapmak amacıyla kullanılır. Akülü istif makineleriyle paletler taşınmakla kalmayıp yüksek zeminlere de nakledilebilir.


    AKÜLÜ İSTİF MAKİNESİ KULLANIM ŞEKİLLERİ

    Akülü istif makineleri, yüklerinizi sadece güvenli ve rahat şekilde bir yerden bir yere götürmenizi sağlamaz. Aynı zamanda size her taşıma mesafesi ve kaldırma yüksekliğinde çözümler sunarak işlerinizi en kolay şekilde yapmanıza yardımcı olur. Modern tasarımı kullanıcıya konforlu bir sürüş sağlar. Fabrikalarda, depolarda, süpermarketlerde, kimya tesislerinde yaygın olarak kullanılır. Enerjisini üzerinde bulunan aküden alan akülü istif makineleri işinizin birçok alanında kullanılarak size rahatlık sağlayacaktır. İstif makinesinin ileri ve geri hareket etmesi sürüş motorunun gücü ile, çatallarının aşağı ve yukarı hareket etmesi kaldırma motorunun gücü ile sağlanır. Farklı kaldırma yükseklikleri için farklı akülü istif arabaları bulunmaktadır. İşiniz gereği size hangisinin daha uygun olacağını bizlere danışarak daha doğru şekilde bulabilirsiniz. Kullanım alanlarında iş yükünü oldukça hafifleten akülü istif arabaları yüksek güvenlik gereklilikleri dikkate alınarak üretilmiştir. akülü istif makinası

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