Still dumbest show after all these years!

SATURDAY, FEBRUARY 18, 2017

Abby on Fox & Friends:
We did something today we hadn't done in some time. We watched maybe forty minutes of the cable news show, Fox & Friends Weekend.

Near the start of the century, we described Fox & Friends as the dumbest show in TV news history. Today, with Abby Huntsman cast as the conventionally good-looking youngish woman positioned between the pair of male chimps, the show presented a truly impressive array of propaganda and dumbness.

Was that [Name Withheld] to Huntsman's right? Good God, he was egregious! That said, Huntsman's willingness to play the fool seemed especially striking.

Abby Huntsman arrived on the planet blessed with every advantage. Her family is extremely wealthy. Her father, the former governor Jon Huntsman, is neither crazy nor stupid.

Despite these advantages, Huntsman is willing to stoop and grovel. There are lessons to learn from that.

During an earlier regime, Huntsman was cast in the role of the outnumbered conservative co-host on MSNBC's copy-cat show, The Cycle. On that gruesome 3 PM program, Huntsman was cast as the lone conservative overwhelmed by three liberal co-hosts.

The show was a fairly obvious knock-off of Fox's 5 PM gonger, The Five, on which one liberal co-host is "balanced" by four conservatives.

The Cycle aired during the period when MSNBC was trying to score through a blend of fatuous youth, conventional types of "diversity" and high telegenicity. As a business proposition, the approach didn't work, and most of the stars from the era are gone.

Toure is gone, as is Ronan Farrow. Krystal Ball, Alex Wagner and Huntsman herself are all gone.

(Big Ed, the working-stiff outlier during that era, now works for the Russkies. What type of "diversity" did Farrow bring? Gullibles, please! Son of big movie stars!)

When she appeared on The Cycle, Huntsman was cast the role of a not-crazy conservative. Most of the time, the other co-hosts even pretended to like her.

This morning, there was no level of The Dumb to which Huntsman didn't descend. Granted, the chimps were somewhat worse. But what is Huntsman's excuse?

Watching Huntsman degrade herself while conning her viewers, we were struck by a basic old concept. People are willing to do and say anything to acquire the cash and fame which come with cable success.

Meanwhile, the rise of partisan cable and Internet have illustrated a troubling problem:

As it turns out, we the people will believe whatever we're told, so long as 1) it reinforces our prejudices and 2) it's fed to us with a big smile, or perhaps with constant weird grinning and consultant-directed laughter.

It's hard to know how our political system can survive diets of agitprop nonsense like we saw this morning. Decades into this brave new arrangement, with our own hacks mugging and clowning, a certain conclusion suggests itself:

How can our system survive such nonsense? Increasingly, it seems that it can't!

Donald J. Trump speaks out: At Thursday's presser, Chief TV Critic Donald J. Trump issued his own correct-for-all-time review of this particular cable news program.

He spoke with CNN's Jim Acosta, who's no walk in the park himself. He began by critiquing CNN, then discussed the obvious greatness of his favorite show, Fox & Friends:
TRUMP (2/16/17): Here's the thing. The public isn't—you know, they read newspapers, they see television, they watch. They don't know if it's true or false because they're not involved.

I'm involved. I've been involved with this stuff all my life. But I'm involved. So I know when you're telling the truth or when you're not. I just see many, many untruthful things [on CNN].

And I'll tell you what else I see. I see tone. You know the word "tone." The tone is such hatred. I'm really not a bad person, by the way. No, but the tone is such—I do get good ratings, you have to admit that—the tone is such hatred.

I watched this morning a couple of the networks. And I have to say, Fox & Friends in the morning, they're very honorable people. They're very—not because they're good, because they hit me also when I do something wrong. But they have the most honest morning show. That's all I can say. It's the most honest.
Based on that review, we'll guess that Trump caught the show on a day when the friends were unusually good.

Trump was certainly right on one score. As a general matter, we the people really don't "know if it's true or false" when we see claims made on TV.

That's why Fox & Friends is dangerous. As is the mugging and clowning provided each night Over Here.

42 comments:

  1. Well, it's a start, but you note he can't quite bring himself to talk about the show.

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    1. Honestly, why should he? I think the vast majority of people who come here do not need to be told that FaF is awful. Bob is explicitly not into that kind of circle jerk where you all feel good joking about how stupid the other side is.

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    2. Actually, the vast number of people who read Bob now are probably Fox News fans who voted for Trump. He did it to himself.

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    3. Gerg, you are dumb, immoral, and nobody likes you. You are a loser. Those are our Blogger in Chief's words. Or our Presdent's. I'm not sure which. Terrible.

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    4. This morning the New York Times gets into Bob's game. About how stupid we are and how no one likes us. This man quoted is a total idiot, right guys?

      Mr. Medford should be a natural ally for liberals trying to convince the country that Mr. Trump was a bad choice. But it is not working out that way. Every time Mr. Medford dips into the political debate — either with strangers on Facebook or friends in New York and Los Angeles — he comes away feeling battered by contempt and an attitude of moral superiority.

      “We’re backed into a corner,” said Mr. Medford, 46, whose business teaches people to be filmmakers. “There are at least some things about Trump I find to be defensible. But they are saying: ‘Agree with us 100 percent or you are morally bankrupt. You’re an idiot if you support any part of Trump.’ ”

      He added: “I didn’t choose a side. They put me on one.”

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    5. That article really validates Bob's point about our various ineptitudes and the obtuseness of our political reactions and how that works against us. Critical thinkers we ain't.

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    6. Medford may have bad values, may be an idiot- that is not uncommon in red states like South Carolina as indicated by research, but that does not indicate that those that debate him have an attitude of moral superiority.

      Liberals tend to think of Trump voters as low information people, some liberals may think of Trump voters as morally bankrupt or idiotic; however, in stark contrast to Trump voters, liberals support policies that will help people like Mr. Medford, help all people who are struggling and in need. This is the fundamental difference between Republicans and Democratics.

      Apparently Trump voters are very sensitive and do not like to be debated because it makes them feel bad and makes them pout that they're not going to support Democratics even if maybe they would have before they got their feelings hurt. Jesus, these people are less mature than five year olds! YET, yet, yet, they sure will take more money from the government than they put in, thank you very much.

      2:12 you cherry pick from an opinion piece, leaving out quotes from Trump supporters like this one talking about liberals:

      "These people are destroying our democracy. They are scarier to me than these Islamic terrorists. I feel absolutely disgusted with them"

      The opinion piece quotes "disgusted" Trump voters to support the thesis that liberal protests are helping Trump. Trump voters by definition already support Trump, so in no way does this indicate liberals are helping Trump. Supposedly these Trump voters are on the fence, this is just a ruse though as their reaction to liberal protests is to lean more towards Trump. That would indicate that in no way are these Trump voters open to changing sides. The opinion piece writer actually links to a poll that shows center right voters with a whopping 20% less support for Trump than conservative voters. The poll also shows, although the writer fails to mention it, that center left voters support Trump at a meager tiny 10%!

      The opinion piece portrays Trump voters saying that liberal protests make them feel bad. It does not mention the vitriol Trump voters displayed towards Obama, nor the violence they perpetrated against Obama's supporters. It does not mention that Democratics do not need the support of Trump voters. Clinton won the popular vote by a huge margin, she lost the electoral college by a mere 70k votes, which was due to voter suppression in just three states. Polls indicate American voters support Democratic policies over Republican policies. Polls also invalidate the opinion piece as they show that Trump is the least popular and lowest rated president in history at this point in his term.

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    7. Yesterday, Trump made up a terror incident in Sweden. He made it up. How can anyone support a president who makes stuff up like that?

      Maybe he got confused because of a Fox show he half listened to last night. If so, why did he ad lib something that wasn't part of his written speech and throw in an event that hadn't been fact-checked and verified by his staff, on the fly? Why would he risk sounding stupid that way?

      Why would anyone think a person should be president when he just tosses off untrue statements in a job where you need to be careful what you say and do?

      This is why I think Trump voters are stupid. Things that Trump does wrong don't seem to bother them.

      Trump's feeling are reportedly hurt by news coverage of his many screwups, just as his supporters are having their feelings hurt by liberal disdain for them and their opinions.

      The alternative is to pretend that both Trump and his supporters are not screwups making mistakes big and small that will damage our country. I don't think it is a good idea to (1) distort reality to protect their feelings, (2) pretend that Trump and they are not making big errors. How will they learn if they get no feedback? Ignoring their errors will encourage more ignorant people to vote for Trump and support him under the impression he is doing fine when he isn't. Not by a longshot.

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    8. Here is Booman's summary of why liberals do not accept that there are valid reasons for supporting Trump:

      "We don’t think it is okay that Donald Trump is the president of the United States. We think this should have been obvious when it came time to vote. And we think that it tells us something about the morals of people that they would overlook his Birtherism and his race-baiting and his characteristics that we discourage in our own children and his treatment of women, and still support him because they have other priorities that are more important to them."

      What is more important than basic human values? Republicans seem to think partisanship is more important. Democrats don't. I think that does give liberals the moral high ground and the right to look down on conservatives. They made a bad choice.

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    9. Donald Trump is the Republican Party. The Republican Party is Donald Trump. These goose steppers have been marinating in hate from the right wing media industrial complex for decades now and it is bearing fruit. They see democrats, liberals and progressives as the enemy. This isn't going away. I have no interest in trying to prove to them I am not their enemy. they listen to Limbaugh, Levin, Hannity all day. Fox News is on continuously in their homes.

      The Republican Party now represents the anarchists amongst us. They have no positive goals. It is all negative. Blow it all up is their motto now.

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    10. Here is a nice examination of whether those supposed "moderates" interviewed were actually open to being persuaded:

      http://nomoremister.blogspot.com/2017/02/meet-one-of-moderate-conservatives-who.html

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    11. "What is more important than basic human values?"

      Opposing the routine killing of the most defenseless human beings for no defensible reason, hundreds of thousands every year, is a human value and one Democrats don't share. They cannot hold any moral high ground on human values.

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    12. 3:59 PM,
      You mean victims of the military-industrial complex?

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    13. All of the deaths involving the military-industrial complex, combined over two centuries, do not approach the 60 million unjustified killings by mothers in the US since 1970.

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  2. "Watching Huntsman degrade herself ....."

    Few don't on cable.


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  3. Polls show that the majority of Republicans believe the following: Public healthcare means "death panels", weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq by our invasion forces, and Obama was born in Kenya.

    So what's wrong with such people having their own media where they can hear their favorite believes being reinforced?

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  4. Capt. Queeg: A duplicate key to the wardroom icebox did exist! And I've had produced that key if they hadn't pulled the Caine out of action.

    Trump and most Republicans: A Kenyan birth certificate does exist! And we don’t need to produce any evidence.

    At the Caine Mutiny trial the participants realized they were dealing with crazy.

    “No further questions.” “This court is adjourned.”

    Bob: It's hard to know how our political system can survive diets of agitprop nonsense like we saw this morning. How can our system survive such nonsense?

    We can’t merely adjourn our political system just because half of its participants would be declared mentally incompetent in a court of law. Captain Queeqs make of 46% of the voting public. We just have to hope there’s no typhoon ahead.

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    1. Lt. Commander Queeg has been the captain of this blog for the entirety of the 18 year War on Gore.

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    2. If there were not a continuing war on Gore, why do conservatives oppose the idea of manmade climate change?

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  5. There do exist objective ways of deciding what is true or not. Trump thinks he knows because he's been around. No doubt his followers feel the same way about themselves. But there are ways of checking that rely on evidence, historical record, non-partisan studies and research, and proven authorities. Why doesn't Somerby encourage us to use such ways of knowing, instead of calling everyone dumb all the time?

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  7. If I were Bob I would have laced my criticism of Abby with specific examples. I kept waiting for them...but never happened.

    Otherwise it reads to much like a screed on amy political blog like Mediaite. Breitbart or TVNewser. Many charges leveled but no examples to back it up.

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    1. True. But the logical explanation now is he can't really bring himself to be too hard on Fox.

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  19. Hello every one out here....
    I'm from North Carolina USA. i want to use this opportunity to thank my great spell caster who really made my life a pleasurable today. This great man Dr. Ogbefi brought my husband back to me, i had three lovely kids for my husband, about four years ago i and my husband has been into one quarrel or the other until he finally left me for one lady. i felt my life was over and my kids thought they would never see their father again. i tried to be strong just for the kids but i could not control the pains that torments my heart, my heart was filled with sorrows and pains because i was really in love with my husband. Every day and night i think of him and always wish he would come back to me, until one day i met a good friend of mine that was also in a situation like me but her problem was her ex-boyfriend who she had an unwanted pregnancy for and he refused to take responsibility and dumped her. she told me that mine was a small case and that i should not worry about it at all, so i asked her what was the solution to my problems and she gave me this great man email address. i was doubting if this man was the solution, so i contacted this great man and he told me what to do and i deed them all, he told me to wait for just two day and that my husband will come crawling on his kneels just for forgiveness so i faithfully deed what this great man asked me to do and for sure after two days i heard a knock on the door, in a great surprise i saw him on his kneels and i was speechless, when he saw me, all he did was crying and asking me for forgiveness, from that day, all the pains and sorrows in my heart flew away,since then i and my husband and our lovely kids are happy.that's why i want to say a big thank you to solutionoflovespelltemple@hotmail.com. This great man made me to understand that there is no problem on earth that has no solution so please if you know that you have this same problem or any problem that is similar, i will advise you to come straight to this great man. you can email him at: solutionoflovespelltemple@hotmail.com And also Reach him on WhatsApp Number: +2349057915709 Thanks Dr. Ogbefi solutionoflovespelltemple@gmail.com

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  20. My wife is back!!!
    My name is Albert Brown. I had a problem with my wife six months ago,which lead to us going apart. When she broke up with me,i was no longer myself,I felt so empty inside. Until a friend of mine told me about a spell caster that helped in same problem too, that she found on Web page. i emailed the spell caster and I told him my problem and I did what he asked me to briefly To cut the long story short,before i knew what was happening,not up to 48 hours,my wife text me and said she wanted to come back and so she came back to me and told me she was sorry about what has happened, she now tell me every time and every day that she loves and miss me. I'm so grateful to this great spell caster Dr Noble and i will not stop publishing his name on the Internet just for the good work he has done. If you need any help you can contact this great man he will help you any any way you want, you can email him at templeofjoyandprosperity@gmail.com i guarantee you that he will also help you okay

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  21. Life has been filled with challenges ever since my husband left me and move on with another woman. Most times i had thought of ending it all. Things became worst when I lost my home, family and all to Hurricane Matthew and I became a refugee in my own country, Haiti. The only property I had left was an internet-enabled phone in my pocket. One faithful day, i found one Doctor Iwajowa on the internet, on Facebook. Someone from the US had testified of many great things that Doctor Iwajowa had done for her and her family. I contacted him and the rest they say is history.Today i am happily married to a soldier I met in camp, and i am getting my happiness back again. I cannot keep this happiness to myself because i am not selfish. You too can contact Doctor Iwajowa on E-mail: DRIWAJOWASPELLTEMEPLE@GMAIL.COM or call him on phone +2348103508204 Whatsapp.

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  22. I would like to advice any one out there who is experiencing love trauma , Financial difficulty, Child bearing , Miscarriages and so many more , You could contact Dr. Madu to on his email: ( maduutemple @ gmail . com )or his Whatsapp : +234 9038103368 for his nice spell work.?

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  23. My name is Oscar, I am from London. I want to share a life testimony on how this great man called Dr Madu cured my sister from Genetic Herpes with some herbal medication , He cures other diseases too. Herbs are powerful, To hell with the government and their insurance policy, You can contact him via email: maduutemple@gmail.com or add him on whats-app +2349038103368 . My family is once more happy again, so stop your worries and go get your medication and set the family free of the deadly disease that hold no respect to family harmony. Thank you for reading my comment.

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  24. Hi everyone, my name is Mcdonnell Alan and am from USA, I met this spell caster called Dr.Ogbodu of drogbodusolutionspelltemple@gmail.com online and so many other, but i decided to go with this particular spell caster and this is about 4 days ago.I needed the spell caster to reunite me and my lover because she started behaving strange and a day came she text me and told me she cannot continue with the relationship anymore, that she just want to be alone.But a close friend of hers shows the guy to me that she was now dating.So i contacted this spell caster because i was totally heart broken and i smoked and get drunk till i could not even notice if am standing or lying.This spell caster told me not to worry, he gave me hope that am to have her again just like old times, and i provided all the requirements, and in just 6 days, my ex lover called me crying over the phone asking for me to forgive her for her stupid act, and she swore with her mother grave to love me and never hurt me again.This was what the spell caster earlier told me and it came after he has done the spell and that same night, my lover came to my house and spend the night with me.I have never seen spell as powerful as this but now, am convinced that Dr.Ogbodu is the best ever, You can contact him through him email address: drogbodusolutionspelltemple@gmail.com or whats app him: +2349061977495 Or Reach him on whatsapp: +2349061977495,..

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  25. Hello every one i am very happy today to share this great testimony with you, I contacted Dr Ogudugu in regards of my lover. He no longer wanted to associate with me anymore. He was interested in working out from the marriage, after begging and pleading with him I realized it was out of my hands, he really was leaving me. My co-worker went through a similar situation and told me that Dr Ogudugu had helped her. I can't say how much I'm grateful she introduced me to Him. After discussing the resolution with Dr Ogudugu, get your lover back spell has done more than what I expected. My lover not only came back to me, but has left his wife and now we are engaged, we are getting married next year, I don't know what I would have done without you. I believe you are my guardian angel you can contact him Via Email GREATOGUDUGU@GMAIL.COM Website: http://greatdrogudugusolutiontemple.webs.com/

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  26. I am Nicky and i am so glad to let the world know the success behind my relationship. The secret is Dr.Abazara and through his help i have been able to get my lover back within 48 hours and since then our relationship has been perfect. The best way to get your relationship back on track is to contact Dr.Abazara on: ( agbazara@gmail.com ) or WHATSAPP him on +2348104102662 And within 48 hours you will be glad you contacted him

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