Plus more of her "wildest new claims:" During the disastrous 2016 campaign, Anderson Cooper played pool boy to Donald J. Trump on several striking occasions.
It was good for ratings, then Trump got elected. Now he's playing pool boy to Donald J. Trump's sex accusers. That includes Stephanie Clifford, who didn't want to have sex with Trump, but felt she had pretty much had to:
CLIFFORD (3/25/18): I asked him if I could use his restroom and he said, "Yes, you know, it's through those—through the bedroom, you'll see it." So I—I excused myself and I went to the, the restroom. You know, I was in there for a little bit and came out and he was sitting, you know, on the edge of the bed when I walked out, perched."I realized exactly what I'd gotten myself into?" Gullible customers, please!
COOPER: And when you saw that, what went through your mind?
CLIFFORD: I realized exactly what I'd gotten myself into. And I was like, "Ugh, here we go." (LAUGHS) And I just felt like maybe— (LAUGHS) it was sort of—I had it coming for making a bad decision for going to someone's room alone and I just heard the voice in my head, "Well, you put yourself in a bad situation and bad things happen, so you deserve this."
According to Clifford's exciting story, she managed to leave without having sex the second time she went to Trump's room. ("I just took my purse and left.") Assuming any of this is true, she could have done so the first time as well.
If she did have sex that first time, it was because she wanted to, or because she wanted something else. Or at least, so it would perhaps maybe possibly seem.
Cooper challenged no statements by Clifford, asked no real questions. She didn't want to tell the story for money? Then why did she try to sell the story in 2011 for $15,000, then try to sell the story again in 2016, this time to Slate?
Perhaps there would have been a good answer. As when he interviewed Trump in 2016, the pool boy didn't ask.
(In fairness, we agree. He's likable and conventionally good-looking.)
Clifford and Cooper got along well; sometimes it's like that with grifters. For today, let's close our discussion by thinking about a basic, bone-simple distinction, a distinction you meet every day.
At New York magazine, Margaret Hartmann was apparently following the interview in real time. This is the way her piece is headlined on the magazine's Daily Intelligencer site:
What We Learned From the Stormy Daniels 60 Minutes InterviewDid we "learn" anything from the interview? Only if Clifford's statements are true—and at present, there's no particular way to make such assessments.
It may be that most of her claims are true. But at present, there's no real way to know that her statements aren't false.
Hartmann, a professional journalist, shows few signs of understanding any of that. Here's the way her lengthy, rollicking piece begins:
HARTMANN (3/25/18): The Stormy Daniels 60 Minutes interview provided just what you’d expect from a woman who knows how to handle the media as well as she does: a few revelations to fuel the scandal surrounding her alleged 2006 affair with Donald Trump, and a promise that there’s more to come.That "revelation" about the physical threat? Stating the obvious, it's only a "revelation" if the alleged threat actually did occur.
Trump probably wouldn’t have been able to block CBS from airing the interview (though he reportedly considered trying), and it seems Daniels is confident that her nondisclosure agreement will be voided—though Trump’s attorneys claim she already owes him at least $20 million. She told Anderson Cooper that she’s willing to accept the legal risks to clear up the rumors that have been circulating since the story broke in January. “I was perfectly fine saying nothing at all, but I’m not okay with being made out to be a liar, or people thinking that I did this for money,” she said.
The interview’s biggest revelation was Daniels’s claim that after sharing her story with In Touch Weekly magazine in 2011, a man approached her and made what she interpreted as a physical threat, telling her to “leave Trump alone,” then looking at her infant daughter and saying, “It’d be a shame if something happened to her mom.”
Did the alleged threat really occur? Stating the obvious, there's zero way of knowing that, and Clifford's a fairly obvious possible semi-grifter. But Hartmann blusters straight ahead, showing few signs of knowing such things. When the children type up "stories" like this, "claims" tend to meld with "revelations," full entertaining stop.
As Hartmann continued, so did her childish work, marked by her childish inability to draw even the simplest distinctions. Why is your nation currently sliding into the sea? In part, because children like Hartmann have been behaving this way for at least the past thirty-one years:
HARTMANN (continuing directly): If true, there could be serious legal consequences for Trump and his lawyer, Michael Cohen. And while Cooper later revealed that there are “many, many tawdry details which we did not include in the story because it’s just, you know, that’s not our interest,” there were a few more tidbits about the president’s alleged sexual proclivities. Here are the wildest new claims:"Here are the wildest new claims!" The childish behavior of people like Hartmann strikes us as a major new anthropological mystery. What explains the tendency of journalistic elites to behave in such childish ways?
(In Hartmann's piece, the first of the "wildest new claims" is this: "Spanking Trump With His Own Magazine Cover Wasn’t His Idea." The presentation, in bold headline form, seems to assume that this alleged spanking really did occur. Hartmann doesn't know if the spanking occurred, but keeps obscuring this fact.)
Mother and Father sent Hartmann to Wellesley in the class of 2006. After that, they sent her to BU, where got a master's degree in journalism, emerging in 2008.
You might say she'e "been to the finest schools." Ten years later, this has led to a list of "the wildest new claims," which get presented, in large bold headlines, as if they're established facts.
How do people with every advantage end up performing like this? Could it be the lead exposure? As an alternate possibility, was our human brain simply not designed for social conditions like the ones which now obtain?
We can't answer your thoughtful questions! But on the morrow, we'll move from Hartmann to Lawrence O'Donnell. One of the links within her "wildest new claims" led us to one of his favorite recent points of excitement, an exciting suggestion he didn't bother to correct when it turned out to be wrong.
They've been doing this for the past thirty years. After they finished off Gary Hart, they did this sort of thing first to Clinton, then to Gore, then to the other Clinton. As a result of this decades-long breakdown, Mother and Father are very proud and Donald J. Trump's in the White House.
More tomorrow on Lawrence's claim. Also, what Samuelson said.
"...and Donald J. Trump's in the White House."
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Delete"Perhaps there would have been a good answer. As when he interviewed Trump in 2016, the pool boy didn't ask.
ReplyDelete(In fairness, we agree. He's likable and conventionally good-looking.)"
Does anyone know what this means? What interview is Somerby talking about? And what is he agreeing with? Who is likable and good-looking?
Does this show the effects of lead on Somerby's brain?
"Clifford's a fairly obvious possible semi-grifter."
ReplyDeleteWho knew there were degrees of griftiness.
What's a semi-grifter? Someone who grifts every other day?
Weasel words. In case it's all true. It was not obvious, just "fairly" obvious. She wasn't a grifter, just a "possible" grifter. But maybe only kinda sorta a grifter...a"semi-grifter."...possibly.
DeleteMaybe Anderson Cooper "didn't want to do it" but it IS part of his job, even when the subject matter is something of concern to women and Democrats and embarrassing to conservatives like Somerby.
ReplyDeleteCooper wasn't inflammatory enough so Somerby digs up Hartman, who uses the adjectives he was seeking.
Somerby would never be allowed to do jury duty because one of the disqualifiers is a refusal to reach a judgment based on circumstantial evidence, which is often the only kind of evidence that exists for most crimes. Somerby wants to be an eyewitness to every crime, so that he can say for sure what happened, except he would no doubt then fall back on the frailties of our senses and memory, so that even being there and seeing what happened wouldn't be good enough for him. The courts meanwhile must reach verdicts, so they make their judgments based on the imperfect evidence available to them, as do most people watching Cooper's show and hearing Clifford relate her experiences.
Somerby asks why she approached news outlets to sell her story in 2011 and 2016 -- for the money, obviously. Why does anyone sell anything? The more meaningful question is why didn't she sell her story to Slate and other outlets? That is the crux of this matter -- but Somerby doesn't want to know about that.
This whole matter would make sense as a political hit job if Somerby could just establish any connection at all between Clifford and anyone's Democratic campaign. That's the missing link. Without it, Somerby's accusations that Clifford is another Willey, another Broaddrick, are defamation. If she were a con artist or grafter, as Somerby suggests, she would sue him too. She certainly has grounds.
Today she has sued Cohen and/or his lawyer for defamation.
DeleteWomen laugh at men all the time, because men are often funny. Women, like many people, sometimes laugh when they are nervous too.
ReplyDeleteWomen sometimes have sex with men when they don't want to. Sometimes they aren't in the mood but the partner they care about is. Sometimes they've gotten themselves into a situation where the man is obviously expecting sex but you don't really feel like it. Sometimes it is easier to have sex than to endure the conflict that will occur if you say no. Clifford calls this consensual, so I'm not sure what the big deal is about it. She did say no next time around. Does Somerby think she is lying about this? On what basis?
Is it grifting to agree to meet with a married man to discuss career opportunities within his power to offer? In business this is called networking. The sex part seems to have been initiated by Trump as an obvious quid pro quo that he apparently did not deliver on. She didn't sue him or accuse him of rape or anything, she cut her losses and moved on. I don't see how this makes her a grifter. Later she tried to sell her story, at points where she probably either needed the money or realized the value of her story to the media. How is that grifting? A grift is a con. The only con here is the one Trump ran on her.
If she was coerced into signing an NDA via threats, her desire to free herself from it seems a legitimate basis for a suit. If Trump was conned into offering her the NDA for money, then she may have been a grifter but what is the basis for the con? Was she pretending to have had sex with Trump? Somerby wants to suggest that, but Clifford says she has proof. Con artists typically don't have proof. The details Clifford has already provided sound more truthful than Trump's attorney's statements and we know that Trump lies.
I just don't see any basis for calling Clifford any kind of grifter.
Trump was Stormy's "Partner"?
DeleteYou mean that after he pays her off, he is going to split the money? Wha?
DeleteSo, according to Somerby, the Stormy Daniels story is just another in the long tradition of corporate, pseudoliberal, mainstream media hackery. The same kind that tarnished Bill Clinton, and defeated Gore and Hillary. I'm not sure what Somerby thinks the media's narrative was in 2008 or 2012. And I'm not sure how this current story, which hurts a Republican president, fits in with the supposed anti-liberal bias that the other examples purport to show.
ReplyDeleteAnd, apparently, every graduate of every prestigious school takes some sort of press-guild oath when taking a job as a journalist, and agrees to support the evil corporate masters by running stories like this. Where is the evidence of this?
And here I thought when Somerby was linking to Andrew Sullivan in his previous post that he might have been trying to understand the 2016 election as a populist wave that elected a would-be tyrant, enabled by a cult-like party of enablers in love with authoritarianism.
"Here are the wildest new claims"
ReplyDeleteApparently, the thing that makes Hartman's behavior "childish" is....using the word "revelation??"
She says they are "claims", and even says, right there in Somerby's quote, "if true."
Otherwise, the piece simply lists the main claims made by Clifford.
Somerby is the one acting childish here.
Read through Kathleen Willey's background and wonder how she got invited to the debates. Did serial conspirators kill her 2 cats? Did someone meet Stormy in a parking lot? Just believe everything, folks - it's all good.
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Willey is irrelevant to Clifford’s case.
DeleteSomerby made obvious why Willey's unverified statement *can be* thought of as similar to Willey's. If Willey hadn't been further discredited by Ken Starr, her claim might have been taken more seriously.
DeleteAnd despite all efforts, Clifford has not been similarly discredited. Why then are you still unwilling to take her more seriously?
DeleteWhy are people like you and Somerby carrying water for Trump?
I am taking her as seriously as I do most porn stars - I just haven't accepted her claim as fact, nor as fiction. I probably give her 70-80% credibility as finger on the air metric, but no, it wasn't witnessed and people do lie for numerous reasons. Should CNN go to court to defend all her statements as 100% fact?
DeleteSomerby was willing to believe every accusation against Harvey Weinstein, no questions asked. Weinstein was a "monster." Full freaking stop.
ReplyDeleteCharges leveled against Trump? "Did the alleged threat really occur? Stating the obvious, there's zero way of knowing that."
But of course, when the one making the accusation is a grifter, you don't even have to investigate, do you?
Somerby is a Trumptard now, so he rejects any accusations against Trump (or Roy Moore).
DeleteImportant "claims" from the interview:
ReplyDelete"Daniels Was Physically Threatened After Telling Her Story
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Cohen may be in trouble here, Bobo. No telling what he knows re Trump/Russia.
Jesus, I hate Trump, but Bob's right - Stormy's teasing her story not just on moral principles, but also to make a buck, and under those conditions, Anderson Cooper like most talking heads still isn't asking tough questions. This is part of how we got here in 2016 (and 2000) - yhe press picks the "interesting" guy and then just lets them talk and rant and rave. Fact check? Can't be bothered. Yes, some things are believable - but good lies are believable too. That's why we fact check and verify. And no, there were no excuting "revelations" in the suckup interview (tho didn't watch it), not even that America would make a hero out of a self-serving you-go-grrrl hooker-cum-porno movie star, just as we helped a bombastic lying half-successful fully-corrupt reality star becime president. Hard to cheer the chef who makes a decent meal 10% of the time, yet we love our blue-eyed boyish (and son of wealthy insiders) media stars. We can bash Hillary as a "dynastic" figure who relied on coattails she helped build from Day 1, while our true love is for the Vanderbilts and Bushes and Kennedies and yes, even the slumlord criminal Trump and Kushner families. Just like JR in the 70's and the Sopranos mire recently, we're an All In The Family joky kind of bunch. Even Roseanne's decided to cash in on the idiocy.
ReplyDeleteAnd of course Stormy's a grifter - "semi" is an insult. Watch Angelica Huston in the delicious "The Grifters" to see how it's done. Stormy's been hustling the street for a long time - not all bad, but would you buy a house from her? vote for her as Congresswoman? take her stock tips or follow her as she reads the news? Send your daughter off with her for the weekend? Get real, folks - the enemy of my enemy is sometimes my friend, but not necessarily a *good* friend.
DeleteYou are letting her occupation affect your judgment. If you didn’t know she was in porn, her interview would appear credible. So, does working in porn make someone a liar? Your bias is showing.
DeleteHer claim from the parking lot is still a claim. Maybe believable, but certainly not verified. Somberby's pointing out a difference, one that's bitten us before (Al Franken?)
DeleteIt is so odd that people will believe a known liar unless there is absolute proof against him. That just makes no sense, so your objection must be political. It doesn't work based on facts of this case. Trump (1) has affairs while married, witness his first two wives, (2) lies about everything, (3) brags about assaulting women and having consensual sex with women who deny it, (4) has goons on his payroll, (5) associates with others who hire goons, (6) is known to have made threats in the past...yet you believe him.
DeleteWhat would it take to get you and/or Somerby to believe something a woman says against Trump? No one else has any doubt about what happened in this case (see Drum's statement, for example).
What are you talking about? I believe roughly 0% of what Trump says. But that doesn't mean I should believe 100% of what his opponents say, especially when there's a big profit motive and largely no witnesses to most of the claims.
Delete"her interview would appear credible" .
Deletethat's whole the point dummy. you wouldn't know she's a hooker and she is playing you. wake up already.
"It is so odd that people will believe a known liar unless there is absolute proof against him."
DeleteYou wait for proof of ALL claims from ALL people dummy.
"that's whole the point dummy. you wouldn't know she's a hooker and she is playing you. "
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