Paper discards city's children: You're right! It's pointless to criticize the New York Times for this kind of "reporting."
Fish gotta swim and birds gotta fly—and the life-forms at the New York Times are hard-wired to produce this kind of "reporting." According to future experts with whom we consult, this kind of reporting will continue through the first few days of the global conflagration they refer to as Mister Trump's War.
We refer to the pseudo-report which sat top the Times front page last Thursday morning. The hysteria was general within that report. In print editions, its four-column headline said this:
A Legacy of Poisoned Water: 'Damaged Kids' Fill Flint's SchoolsFlint, of course, is the city in Michigan which experienced a widely-publicized major water problem starting in 2015. That headline seemed to describe the outcome of this breakdown—and it seemed to describe a major disaster.
Do "damaged kids" now fill Flint's schools? And why do those two key words appear inside quotations marks?
We'll answer your second question below. For now, let's describe the large photograph which ran across four columns at the top of the Times' front page, right above that four-column headline.
Readers, prepare for a good horror story! The kind of story we very much love, especially at this time of year!
The photograph atop the front page showed an adult woman standing arm in arm with a boy who seemed to be ten years old.
The caption ran across four columns. The photo's caption said this:
Nakiya Wakes's son, Jaylon, has had 30 suspensions. "Soon, you're going to have to suspend the whole school system," she said.They're going to have to suspend the whole school system! Whatever has happened inside Flint's schools, it sounds like it was extremely dramatic—extremely dramatic, amazingly so, and very, very bad.
The front-page report, by Erica Green, started, as all such reports apparently must, with an anecdotal account of one particular problem. Quoting a fuller statement by Wakes, Green described the problems Wakes's son has faced in school in the past few years.
That said, one struggling child isn't a whole school system! Meanwhile, Green's lengthy report would do very little to let readers know what's actually happening across the sweep of the Flint public schools.
Green's report is wonderfully scary, but as an attempt at analysis, it's spectacularly incompetent. That said, the report was based on a second wonderfully scary quotation—a scary quotation which was sampled in the headline we've already posted.
The quotation appeared in paragraph 6 of Green's lengthy report. It's very, very, very hard to produce "journalism" which is worse than this:
GREEN (11/7/19): “We have a school district where all that’s left are damaged kids who are being exposed to other damaged kids, and it’s causing more damage,” said Stephanie Pascal, who has taught in Flint for 23 years.Yes, that's what we read that morning in our hard-copy New York Times. We read an astounding quotation from a veteran teacher in the Flint public schools—and this is what she said:
We have a school district where all that’s left are damaged kids who are being exposed to other damaged kids!What a remarkable thing to say! But also, for present purposes, what a heinous statement to put into print!
The veteran teacher the Times chose to quote may be the world's finest person. That said, the Times committed a heinous act when it put that statement in print.
Surely, everybody understands what will happen because of the Times' exciting decision. That sweeping, irresponsible statement will be repeated again and again, on every playground in Flint.
It will be repeated in every home. It will be repeated until every child in the city of Flint had heard that he or she is damaged goods—damaged goods who's just producing more damage.
Every 10-year-old child is going to hear that. So is every parent.
To the extent that the statement can even be parsed, there is nothing in Green's report which suggests, in any way, that this sweeping statement is actually accurate. But every child who lives in Flint is going to hear it.
Who knows? Perhaps that teacher was having a very bad day when she delivered that deeply destructive statement. Perhaps she doesn't understand the extent of the harm such sweeping statements can cause when they're quoted by a nation's most famous newspaper and sent out into the ether.
That said, what can you say for the New York Times—for the paper which decided to publish that statement? For the paper which decided to insert that statement into a four-column front-page headline, atop a report which should have been written in crayon, given the level of analytical skill it put on display?
Are Flint's schools filled with "damaged kids?" Transitioning away from the type of language more suitable to tales of goblins and ghosts, how much harm may have been caused by the extensive water problem which took place in Flint?
How much damage took place among the city's children? You can search all through the Times report to find a serious attempt to answer that question. You see, that would require competent analysis, and at the Times they have a saying:
Work like that is hard!
How much actual harm may have been done to the children of Flint? In the next few days, we'll try to offer a few of the basic facts which might help a serious person try to answer that question.
We'll be citing past work by Kevin Drum, starting with this cover report in Mother Jones about the effects of exposure to lead.
That report appeared in January 2013, long before the problem in Flint got started. But at his blog for Mother Jones, Drum has offered many posts about the problems in Flint. We'll link to some of those posts too.
To what extent have Flint's kids been harmed? Given the way our upper-end press corps tends to function, the information published by Drum might come as a bit of a surprise.
But at the eternally hapless times, an unnamed editor knew what to do. He or she gave us the kind of scary story we very much seem to enjoy, especially at this time of the year.
The Times used a couple of scary quotes to move the excitement along. In the process, Times readers received the greatest gift—we were gifted with the ability to feel that we actually care.
In the process, we were deceived, as is the lot of this newspaper's readers. On the brighter side, we were almost able to feel that it's still 1619! At the present unsettled time, this is a great tribal joy.
Meanwhile, a statement is being widely repeated by the children of Flint. We're damaged goods, those children are saying.
Times to Flint children: Drop dead!
Tomorrow: Just amazingly dumb, as anybody can see
"That said, the Times committed a heinous act when it put that statement in print."
ReplyDeleteYeah? And what's so heinous about printing it, if it's true?
All they're saying is that the place is a shithole. And perhaps it is. It seems likely. And if so, what else is there to say about it, dear Bob?
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DeleteThe NY Times is no more going to point out the poisoning of Flint's drinking water being a Right-wing scheme to screw over the City of Detroit, than they'd point out Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi was caused by Republicans wanting US citizens to suffer through the worst financial crisis in 5+ decades for political gain.
ReplyDeleteThe Right-wing, corporate-owned NY Times (and the rest of the media) will always play cover-up for the ones giving them a tax break.
The infinitely duplicitous New York Times, playing its perception management games. Too bad it's such a useful source of (twisted) information.
ReplyDeleteSomerby claims that this scare headline and story will further damage the self esteem of Flint's 10 year olds, but how many of them are reading the NY Times?
ReplyDeleteThere is a larger issue too. Thirty suspensions by age 10 is not normal. If something is wrong with a child's behavior or learning, should parents ignore it just so they don't hurt the child's feelings? Do they imagine that a child who is struggling in school is unaware of their difficulties? Damaged isn't the best word, but there is a need to pay attention if larger than usual numbers of kids are not performing well and the cause is suspected to be lead, which is known to impair cognitive development, Kevin Drum's graphs aside.
Somerby is perhaps going to tell us tomorrow that Drum says the lead levels were insufficient to cause widespread "damage" to kids. I don't think Drum's graphs actually say that. First, the assumption that effects are linear may be wrong. Second, overall measurements don't tell us whether there are pockets of kids for whom cumulative lead (including from other sources) might be a factor in learning difficulties. Something is causing that doubling of special ed rates mentioned a week or so back.
I agree that NYC is probably not concerned about lead in Flint on a personal level, and that the scare headlines in NYC are intended for other purposes than to alert Flint parents to a problem, but that doesn't make the problem itself disappear.
Somerby should remember that expressing empathy for parents of kids who have learning and behavior problems should come before counting coup on the NY Times or on those he suspects are trying to make political hay. When he ignores that these are real kids involved, he begins to sound like a Republican.
"Do "damaged kids" now fill Flint's schools? And why do those two key words appear inside quotations marks?"
ReplyDeleteBecause "damage" isn't any kind of diagnosis of learning problems or behavior problems afflicting kids. It refers only to the cause -- that kids were somehow affected by an external factor, they were not born with their problems.
Because "damage" isn't any kind of diagnosis of learning problems or behavior problems afflicting kids. It refers only to the cause ….
DeleteCould you be any dumber, or are you just trolling me?
Just for starters, the word damage in the story doesn’t refer to a cause; it’s an effect.
But TDH even tells you he’s going to answer the question of the quote marks, and he does: the reason the two words are in quotes is that they are — Wait for it! — an actual quotation from one Stephanie Pascal, the Flint teacher of 23 years, whom — Wait for it! — reporter Erica Green actually quoted in her article.
I’ll ask again: could you be “any dumber”?
'I’ll ask again: could you be “any dumber”?'
DeleteIf you actually thought that Somerby was a liberal, yes ..
"Times to Flint children: Drop dead!"
ReplyDeleteIn fairness, where does the NY Times say anything like that?
"In fairness" it depends on how many decibels you assign to words and how many you assign to actions.
Delete“That sweeping, irresponsible statement will be repeated again and again, on every playground in Flint.”
ReplyDeleteThis from a blogger who routinely points out the huge achievement gaps between black and white students, thus letting *every black kid in America* know how badly they *as a race* are doing.
And he thinks the media should be talking about the gaps all the time.
What will that do to black kids’ self-esteem?
I don't think TDH cares about the achievement gaps at all. He only complains about so he can bash liberals and continue his agenda of defending Trump, Roy Moore and Ron Johnson
DeleteI don't think....
DeleteYa had me right there, Centrist. Everything else was talking past the close.
That'll teach me to be too nice. Let me rephrase.
Delete'TDH doesn't cares about the achievement gaps at all. He only complains about it so he can bash liberals and continue his agenda of defending Trump, Roy Moore and Ron Johnson'
'In the process, we were deceived'
ReplyDeleteNaturally. Trumptards are used to being deceived, though.
“That said, one struggling child isn't a whole school system! Meanwhile, Green's lengthy report would do very little to let readers know what's actually happening across the sweep of the Flint public schools.”
ReplyDeleteThis is not correct. The report gives a fair amount of information about how the Flint school system is struggling. Some of the data are quite concerning, such as “The percentage of the city’s students who qualify for special education services has nearly doubled, to 28 percent, from 15 percent the year the lead crisis began, and the city’s screening center has received more than 1,300 referrals since December 2018. The results: About 70 percent of the students evaluated have required school accommodations for issues like attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, also known as A.D.H.D.; dyslexia; or mild intellectual impairment.”
Green clearly indicates that some of these problems may pre-date the lead crisis, and that not all of the current problems can clearly be blamed on the lead crisis.
But the problems are real, whether lead-related or not. And it is the problems that ought to be the focus for anyone reading the article, not the extent to which lead is or may be the culprit.
Report,
DeleteThanks for a cogent criticism of TDH that’s based on fact.
You write,
But the problems are real, whether lead-related or not. And it is the problems that ought to be the focus for anyone reading the article, not the extent to which lead is or may be the culprit.
But if that’s the desired focus, don’t you think the Times should avoid a headline that starts
A Legacy of Poisoned Water
and eschew a paragraph that reads
Five years after Michigan switched Flint’s water supply to the contaminated Flint River from Lake Huron, the city’s lead crisis has migrated from its homes to its schools, where neurological and behavioral problems — real or feared — among students are threatening to overwhelm the education system.
(Emphasis mine.)
Somerby pointed out awhile back that the authors of reports at the NY Times do not write the headlines. There are others who do that. If they don't read the stories carefully or they prefer to write headlines that attract readers, instead of carefully worded accurate summaries, that is not the author's fault. Here, Somerby blames the entire paper. That may be fair if the instructions to write inflammatory headlines comes from the top. But in a larger sense, haven't papers always put inflammatory headlines on their articles? Isn't that what "Yellow Journalism" meant? And what about "muckraking"? That's another newspaper tradition that has relied on inflammatory reporting.
ReplyDeleteWe are a capitalist nation and the success of newspapers depends on readers. How are papers like the NY Times supposed to attract readers if they write scientific, factual headlines, such as: "Flint schools see increase in special ed diagnoses from 15% to 28%, possibly due to lead"?
And then, does anyone reading the NY Times headline really think Flint is literally poisoning school kids, or do they recognize that this hyperbole is referring to the bad stuff that really, truly was found in Flint's drinking water?
Somerby pointed out awhile back that the authors of reports at the NY Times do not write the headlines … [If headlines mislead] that is not the author's fault.
DeleteTDH doesn’t blame the reporter for the headline. There are editors to shoulder that. He criticizes the reporter for her article.
But in a larger sense, haven't papers always put inflammatory headlines on their articles? Isn't that what "Yellow Journalism" meant?
Yes, in part. But what kind of an excuse is that? It seems like something a paper like the NYT would assiduously avoid.
And what about "muckraking"? That's another newspaper tradition that has relied on inflammatory reporting.
Er, no. That’s a newspaper tradition that relied on investigatory journalists working in the public interest to uncover actual scandal.
And then, does anyone reading the NY Times headline really think Flint is literally poisoning school kids…?
Anyone familiar with the story would know that’s what the state of Michigan literally did. (The state had appointed an emergency manager to run the city.) The safe level of lead in drinking water is officially zero. But the issue discussed in the article is the actual damage that has accumulated over the last five years.
I was damaged by seeing the movie Psycho, which came out before there were any age restrictions. My reputation here was damaged just last week by deadrat. Our nation has been damaged by Trump's presidency. Is "damaged" really such a bad word, or is it how we express the fact that someone has been hurt by something? Or does Somerby mean to evoke the phrase "damaged goods" which wasn't used in the NY Times report?
ReplyDeleteDoes Somerby think that drinking water with higher lead levels (no matter how slight) was beneficial to Flint's kids?
Can't you just see Somerby sitting at the defense's table in the lawsuit of Flint parents versus those who allowed lead in their drinking water?
DeleteI was damaged by seeing the movie Psycho, which came out before there were any age restrictions.
DeleteIs your mother-fixation any better?
My reputation here was damaged just last week by deadrat.
Very unlikely. Your status among the Anonymous Ignorami is untarnished.
Is "damaged" really such a bad word, or is it how we express the fact that someone has been hurt by something?
Yes and yes.
Or does Somerby mean to evoke the phrase "damaged goods" which wasn't used in the NY Times report?
He doesn’t mean to “evoke the phrase.” He actually uses it right there in his blog entry: “It will be repeated in every home. It will be repeated until every child in the city of Flint had heard that he or she is damaged goods—damaged goods who's just producing more damage.”
(Emphasis mine.)
Does Somerby think that drinking water with higher lead levels (no matter how slight) was beneficial to Flint's kids?
The dumb just keeps coming.
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Delete'Does Somerby think that drinking water with higher lead levels (no matter how slight) was beneficial to Flint's kids?'
DeleteSomerby doesn't understand %ages, what makes you think he understands statistics ? He only understands defending DJT, Roy Moore, Brock Turner and Ron Johnson.
“What a remarkable thing to say! But also, for present purposes, what a heinous statement to put into print!”
ReplyDelete“That sweeping, irresponsible statement will be repeated again and again, on every playground in Flint.”
It isn’t heinous or irresponsible if it’s true. In which case, Somerby is arguing for the suppression of information because it might upset some people.
It also represents the feelings of someone “who has taught in Flint for 23 years.” It expresses frustration, anger, despair, not just about the lead crisis, but about the dire state of Flint’s schools. And it was made by someone who has devoted 23 years of her life to those kids and intends to continue doing so, something Somerby can’t say about the black kids in Baltimore that he abandoned.
It isn’t heinous or irresponsible if it’s true.
DeleteBut the article (and its headline) make a very poor case for the claims. If it’s true, then it’s heinous, and the NYT has a responsibility to be accurate.
In which case, Somerby is arguing for the suppression of information because it might upset some people.
The dumb just won’t stop.
And … it [the claim] was made by someone who has devoted 23 years of her life to those kids and intends to continue doing so, something Somerby can’t say about the black kids in Baltimore that he abandoned.
How could the dedication of the someone (a teacher in Flint) or the alleged malfeasance of Somerby in giving up teaching in Baltimore affect the criticism that TDH levels against the NYT?
The dumb — why doesn’t it burn?
'How could the dedication of the someone (a teacher in Flint) or the alleged malfeasance of Somerby in giving up teaching in Baltimore affect the criticism that TDH levels against the NYT?'
DeleteCriticizing the NYT is just a pretext for TDH, his goal is to criticize liberals.
Respect the New York Times more. Give them some slack. They are on our side. They have our best interest in mind.
ReplyDeleteOf course they have “our” best interests in mind. That is why TDH approvingly recommends NYT op-eds by David Brooks, Timothy Egan, Brett Stephens, and Andrew Sullivan, and stories by Nate Cohn that show Dems’ hopes for 2020 may be false.
DeleteThe new NAEP scores came out recently, and Betsy DeVos had some heinous things to say about our schools. Will TDH talk about that?
ReplyDeleteBetsy DeVos is not a liberal, and TDH specializes in bashing liberals
DeleteGood for you, Centrist. You're finally catching on. This is a blog about the alleged failings of liberals to live up to their own ideals. The failures of "conservatives" are not only a given, but are very much of a piece with their principles and ideology.
DeleteTDH's ideals involve defending Donald Trump, Roy Moore and Ron Johnson. Those ideals are far more in alignment with Trumptards than liberals, therefore TDH is aligned with Trumptards, and is 95% likely to be one himself.
Delete"This is a blog about the alleged failings of liberals to live up to their own ideals."
DeleteSo not a media criticism site. Who knew?
TDH writes: Just amazingly dumb
ReplyDeleteHurray! Somerby finally acknowledges most of his commentariat
deadrat, Ibthink it’s willfully dumb on their part.
DeleteThat why I’m not convinced by your stand that the people who mount these obtuse arguments against the blog offering, while attacking the blog and attacking Somerby personally, are not trolls, but just critics.
I like it when people give others the benefit of the doubt, and I’ve thought on what you say, but I don’t feel it or see that it’s so with most of Bob’s contrarians here.
Cecelia,
DeleteYou may be overestimating the influence of the will. Being “willfully dumb” requires that one make a active effort of conscious, intellectual purpose to propose and defend faulty arguments. I see a reactive and emotional response to criticism of the tribe. Which mode of response is easier?
One may adopt either stance without being a troll. I define trolls as those who put forward no argument at all, but post nothing but provocative language for the sole purpose of getting a response, the more agitated, the better.
(I am often accused of being a troll, and it’s true that I often post dismissive comments that ridicule. But that’s not all I do. For instance, if you want to know why Trump’s payoff to Stephanie Clifford likely fails to qualify as “something of value” under federal campaign finance laws, then you can go back and read my comment on judicial interpretation of statutes. That’s the kind of thing that trolls never do.)
Trolls are fairly easy to spot. Mao is a troll, the commenter I call our Village Troll. There isn’t anything more than “Dembot!” “Zombie cult!” and “Pscho Witch!” Centrist is a troll. I’m sure he knows that he should avoid “Trumptard!” as an insult — in fact he stopped for a short while. I’m sure he knows that TDH has never “defended” Roy Moore because he routinely ignored my past requests to quote TDH to that effect.
Now, of course I have no access to the interiority of members of this commentariat, so I have no absolute way to tell who intends to troll, who intends to present good arguments, and who intends to strike back at perceived enemies with any tactic, no matter how silly.
But commenters who never post an argument are indistinguishable from trolls. And commenters who post dumb arguments are easy enough to counter without speculating on reasondas for the dumb.
Of course and as always, YMMV and apparently does.
"I see a reactive and emotional response to criticism of the tribe. Which mode of response is easier?"
DeleteYeah.
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