THE AGE OF THE NOVEL: What happens when Stanford gets both parties drunk!

FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 1, 2019

A somewhat slender logic:
Chanel Miller's Know My Name: A Memoir is one of the most interesting books we've read in the past dozen years.

In fairness, that can't be scored as a compliment. As the random reader may know, we're drawn to the incoherent or illogical text which draws back the curtain on the comical ways our self-impressed species actually attempts to communicate and reason.

Tops among this species are the publishing world's many "Einstein made easy" books. That includes Einstein's own "Einstein made easy" book, which was published in 1916 and is still in print today.

Even when written by Einstein himself, these books never make Einstein easy. In truth, they rarely make his seminal work comprehensible at all.

That said, so what? Reliable critics will insist that these books make Einstein so amazingly easy that even a goldfish, hamster, rabbit or finch will be able to understand his revolutionary work.

Critics advance a silly claim; we readers enjoy the illusion. Every ten years or so, PBS gets in the game.

Einstein-made-easy books have never made Einstein easy, but upper-end figures reliably agree to pretend that they do. According to major anthropologists, a great deal of human "reasoning" follows this general template.

(For us, Professor Goldstein's "Godel made easy" book was a very significant addition to this canon. We never tire of attempts to turn Russell's "set of all sets not members of themselves" into something other than a comical muddle. Goldstein's derisive attitude toward Wittgenstein nicely completed the package.)

We may return to some of these highly instructive upper-end texts next week. For today, we'll only say that Miller's book is such a remarkable example of selective presentation that it strikes us a seminal text for those who seek a fuller understanding of the actual way our human discourse actually works in real life.

Given Miller's youth, and given her status as the victim of a life-altering assault, we don't intend these remarks as a criticism of Miller. In our view, she actually is a "gifted young writer," just as Jennifer Weiner wrote in her review of Know My Name for the New York Times.

Miller is a gifted young writer, but her substantial gifts permit her to craft a remarkably novelized text. High-end reviewers reliably praise every part of the script.

(All too often, the reviewers aren't any older than Miller. The New Yorker assigned this task to Doreen St. Felix; like Miller, she's five years out of college—Brown, class of 2014—and she's highly fluent in the language of upper-end tribal buzztalk. St. Felix noticed none of the endless shortcoming with Miller's remarkably selective text. At upper-end pseudo-progressive sites, such things simply aren't done.)

Miller's well-received text is remarkably selective in a way which ought to be recorded. We may do so next week, even as we recall the instructive, sometimes comical shortcomings of other favorite texts.

For today, it might be best to conclude our review of the logical problem we raised yesterday. That puzzle goes like this:

According to Brock Turner, Miller consented to the sexual conduct for which he was later convicted of criminal assault. Having been blackout drunk at the time, Miller was unable to remember these events.

One party claims there was consent; the other party can't remember anything about the relevant events. At one point in her (well-written) book, Miller articulates the problem this state of affairs created at trial.

The passage begins like this:
MILLER (page 186): Later I would discover that my sister had testified that when she left me briefly that night she thought I'd be fine. The defense was using this to argue that when Brock found me he had every reason to think I was fine too.
Uh-oh! At one point, Miller's younger sister had to leave the drunken frat party to help a drunken friend find her way back to her dorm room. (Perhaps skillfully, Miller writes, early in the book, that her sister "left me briefly to take care of a sick friend.")

At any rate, Miller's sister testified that Miller "seemed fine" at this point. This raised the possibility that Turner, like Miller's sister, couldn't tell that Miller was extremely drunk—too drunk, under terms of law, to voice consent.

(Please note: Perhaps skillfully, Miller refers to what Turner may have thought "when he found me." This construction may seem to suggest certain facts not in evidence. Turner said that he and Miller willingly left the party together; Miller said she couldn't remember. Like you, we have no idea.)

You can start to see the shape of the logic at play here. This becomes more clear as the passage continues:
MILLER: Later I would discover that my sister had testified that when she left me briefly that night she thought I'd be fine. The defense was using this to argue that when Brock found me he had every reason to think I was fine too. If they could prove Brock genuinely believed I was coherent enough to consent, they could walk away with the case.
Before we continue, a note:

As she does throughout her book, Miller seems to misunderstand a basic point of law here. Presumably, the defense wouldn't have to prove that Turner thought Miller was coherent. Presumably, the defense would simply have to raise that possibility as a matter of "reasonable doubt."

At any rate, the logic here goes like this:

Under perfectly sensible terms of law, a person who is massively drunk can't consent to sex. As such, Person A can't engage in sex with Person B if it's obvious that Person B is too drunk to consent.

This is a perfectly reasonable point of law. It involves a bit of logic which makes perfect sense—until we realize that Stanford had managed to get both young people drunk on the night in question.

On the evening in question, Stanford's amazingly lax behavior hadn't resulted in Miller alone being extremely drunk. Turner was extremely drunk too—and this is where the legal logic may start to wobble a bit.

According to the theory of the case, Miller was too drunk to consent to sexual conduct. (For the record, no intercourse occurred. For that reason, Turner wasn't charged with rape, Miller's persistent use of such language notwithstanding.)

According to sensible legal logic, Miller was too drunk to give consent. But Turner, who was three years younger, was also extremely drunk!

Question: If Miller was too drunk to give consent, why wasn't Turner too drunk to realize that she was too drunk? At times of moral stampede, such questions tend to disappear as tribes construct pleasing, simplified fables.

At any rate, one juror explained the reasoning by which the jury reached its unanimous verdict. According to the leading authority on the case, the reasoning went like this:
A juror calling himself "A Concerned Juror"...wrote a letter to the judge expressing dissatisfaction with the sentencing length. The juror said that "the fact that Turner ran away after two Stanford graduate students noticed him on top of an unmoving woman" was compelling evidence, along with the incoherence of the message that Doe left her boyfriend before meeting Brock. The juror believed this was very strong evidence "that Turner should have reasonably known she was not able to give consent."
Here's the background on that:

At midnight that night, Miller left a voice message for her boyfriend in Philadelphia, where it was 3 A.M. By all accounts, the voice message was substantially incoherent. (Miller didn't remember leaving the message.)

The assault occurred one hour later. According to the juror's logic, the incoherence of the voice message meant that Miller must have been visibly incoherent when she interacted with Turner. On that basis, Turner should have known that Miller couldn't consent.

In our view, this makes a passable type of sense until we add that one additional fact. Thanks to the irresponsible behavior of Stanford's august authorities, Turner was extremely drunk that night too. For that reason, the juror's reasoning actually goes like this:
The jury's apparent logic
Miller was too drunk to consent. But Turner wasn't too drunk to understand this fact.
The jury saw all the testimony; we did not. They reached a unanimous verdict.

We aren't here to criticize the jury, or to criticize Miller. That said, we all know that juries can sometimes make shaky decisions, except in cases where their decision comports with our own preferred tales.

We don't like sending people to jail, but we aren't saying the jury was wrong in its verdict. We will criticize two other groups:

If someone had to be frogmarched to jail, we'd start by recommending the (former) president of Stanford, on whose watch this irresponsible drunken brawl occurred.

Through its profoundly irresponsible lack of supervision, the university got two young people extremely drunk, then sent them off into the night.

A mile away, in a Palo Alto bar, it would have been illegal to serve the underage Turner (0.171) any alcohol at all. Serving the 22-year-old Miller until she was blackout drunk would have subjected the bar to potential legal liabilities.

The university got these young people drunk, then sent them off into the night. On its face, the case against Turner strikes us as less clear than the case against the pillars of the community who let these risky brawls occur.

The second group we'd criticize would be the upper-end "liberal" press corps.

As with Einstein, so too here! Miller's book is, in fact, an amazingly selective and self-serving presentation. We don't think we've ever seen a writer who is more relentless, and more talented, when it comes to framing every turn of events her way. If the subject matter wasn't so serious, her endless sculpting of the material would be somewhat comic.

Part of Miller's substantial talent is her remarkable skill at tilting the field of play in search of affirmation. But you will never be told such things by tribal players at orgs like the New York Times.

These blackout drunk/sexual assault cases have been coming thick and fast. At the Times, they chase the 19-year-old freshman down. The college president is permitted to walk, and tribal hearts feel glad.

Miller is amazingly skilled at tilting the playing field to generate affirmation. For the reasons stated, we aren't inclined to criticize her for any such imperfections. We will criticize our upper-end journalists, who insist on seeing no complexity in our tribe's favored tales.

The Stanford case turned on a rather slender logic—with significant, troubling complications disappeared, sanded down, ignored. Truly, we live in The Age of the Novel, with a very strong drift toward fairy tale, even cartoon.

We like our heroes and villains neat. What happens when Stanford gets both parties drunk? All across the tribal realm, our sachems know not to ask!

50 comments:

  1. I think the obvious conclusion here is that Turner was wrong but Miller is not at all a sympathetic character.

    I still don't understand either how presence of alchohol = not responsible enough to consent but plenty of responsibility for blame. It's logically inconsistent.

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    1. It's logically inconsistent.

      I think you mean that it’s logically unsymmetric. It is however legally consistent. The law puts a higher value on protecting bodily integrity than it does on the ability to evade responsibility with alcohol.

      Voluntarily drinking cannot render you legally unable to form general consent. Otherwise, as another commenter pointed out, you could avoid conviction on DUI by claiming you were too drunk to form the mens rea to drive drunk.

      Assault is a general consent crime. See my peerless explanation here

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  2. "The jury saw all the testimony; we did not. They reached a unanimous verdict."

    Yes, dear Bob, but this is Palo Alto. The place full of woke zombies. The fact that they reached a unanimous PC verdict means nothing.

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    1. You do know that the witnesses were sobbing on the stand. Ask any defense attorney now -- you NEVER want a jury trial on most charges. They all think they'rev avenging angels.

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    2. I don't know about 'never', but this was a quintessential PC case, where liberal Zombies of Palo Alto would have an irresistible craving to sacrifice that unfortunate 'white' 'male' to their Zombie Goddess.

      Thank god he wasn't a cop, or they would've probably skinned him alive right in the courtroom...

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    3. No need. The NRA says our 2nd Amendment rights are for shooting cops.

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  3. I want to add too that it's obvious the "sculpting" (good term for it) was done by editors and -- possibly -- her attorneys earlier on. Or even upon review of the manuscript.

    Her grandstanding too is offensive to me. I have friends who WISH they'd been unconscious during their rapes, but they never carry on about it like Miller. But then, she is an alcoholic.

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  4. It seems to me that if we accept the premise that what happened to her was life-altering (in a bad way), then we also must accept the premise of punishing the people who engage in those acts, even if they are drunk when they do so.

    I mean, we punish drunk drivers even though they are perhaps too inebriated to make a good decision about whether to drive or not.

    A few days ago, an article said this "Hepola writes about coming out of a blackout in a Paris hotel room while she was having sex with a man that she had no memory of meeting."

    And yet Hepola apparently did not consider that experience "life altering" nor does she mention charging the man with rape.

    Yet by the same standard that says Miller was sexually assaulted, Hepola was raped. Yet she does not claim it was traumatic or life altering, only that "it's the strangest thing that had ever happened to me."

    Unlike Miller, Hepola was NOT surrounded by people - police, nurses, Swedes, prosecuting attorneys, liberal media - all telling her "we are really upset about what happened to you, you are a victim and a hero." and also conversely that the guy was a villain who deserved the full penalty of law.

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    1. "It seems to me that if we accept the premise that what happened to her was life-altering (in a bad way), then we also must accept the premise of punishing the people who engage in those acts, even if they are drunk when they do so."

      Even if it wasn't really life-altering? Or shouldn't have been?

      I'm not sure that we should be gauging punishments on how one of the parties felt about what happened. I also think she's a bit of a phony.

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    2. Maybe Hepola raped HIM.

      If she was ever on top, yes, absolutely. That's the absurd outcome of these new laws.

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  5. Epic fail from Somerby. The “logic puzzle” that he has been teasing us with for days? Turner was drunk and might have been too drunk to realize Miller was too drunk to give her consent. I suggested that this would be Somerby’s approach days ago.

    Why is this an epic fail?

    Because being drunk is no excuse for committing a crime. Not only does it not exonerate drunk drivers who kill someone while driving drunk, it is viewed as an exacerbating factor. A person has the duty to remain sober enough not to drive drunk. By the same token, a person must remain sober enough not to commit a crime, such as sexual assault which results from the person being unable to distinguish real consent from drunken consent, or imagined consent or no consent.

    So, question for Somerby: did Turner’s defense team use intoxication as a defense? The answer is important.

    Also, in his desire to suggest reasonable doubt, Somerby leaves out all kinds of evidence. (Turner had a history of drugs and alcohol that he lied about; Miller’s sister testified that Turner had tried to force himself on her at the party; Miller’s incoherent voice mails came *after* her sister left the party; Miller was actually unconscious when Turner was discovered on top of her.)

    And this is just typical Somerby:

    “We aren't here to criticize the jury, or to criticize Miller. That said, we all know that juries can sometimes make shaky decisions, except in cases where their decision comports with our own preferred tales.”

    He isn’t criticizing the jury, although juries can make shaky decisions based on puzzling logic. It isn’t hard to assume that this case might have been seemingly decided by 12 jurors all using apparently shaky logic. Or not.

    He isn’t criticizing Miller, but he does want to tell us she leaves out facts and weaves a narrative that diminishes or disappears the role that alcohol played in the event. If she hadn’t had so much to drink, this wouldn’t have happened. Not criticizing though!

    What a weasel.

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    1. That’s why judges and juries can make decisions that render such issues as being mitigating factors.

      Then they pray that they don’t get stoned (recalled) by vox populi.

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    2. But she was drunk too.

      One's drunk = no responsibility. The other's drunk = all the blame? One can't consent, but the other can act?

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    3. 4:13
      “Turner had a history of drugs and alcohol that he lied about…”

      Well, except for the “drugs” part. We all know alcohol is surely not in that category. What else did he do? Pot? Mescaline? Does it really matter? As Bob pointed out, he was even underage for legal drugs! Such is the way of rich privilege.

      “Miller’s sister testified that Turner had tried to force himself on her at the party.”

      I’ll assume that’s previous to the Chanel Miller-Brock Turner contact. And then she left her sister, to help another over-intoxicated, or sick, friend (unclear, according to Miller’s dual accounts), knowing there was a predator circling. Sounds like Miller’s sister may have been slightly drunk, too. Might have been fair for both sisters to have bailed at the point that Miller’s sister was forced upon.

      “Miller’s incoherent voice mails came *after* her sister left the party; Miller was actually unconscious when Turner was discovered on top of her.”

      Yes, clearly, Chanel was incoherent after her sister left the party, her voicemails are apparently evidence. Chanel achieved a blissful state of unconsciousness. When did she become a “blackout drunk?” Does it really matter?

      Bob has been pounding a nail that you just can’t see. There is rampant alcohol abuse on University campuses. Is it prudent to allow students this sort of leeway, to get as fucked up as possible on campus?

      I see Bob’s point. Perhaps it’s a good idea to rule for temperance on University grounds. But how should that be accomplished? Maybe we’ll find out.

      Apologies to ImpCeasarAvg for any previous attempts to post in his stead.

      Leroy

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    4. How well did temperance work out when it was the national experiment? Do you see any problems with imposing it on college campuses but not elsewhere?

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    5. Women fight drunk guys off all the time at parties. That isn't a reason to leave the party. Again, you are imposing a ridiculous preventative standard on Miller.

      Young people who are not in college binge drink and drink to excess, especially at parties, just like college kids do. Somerby thinks Stanford is responsible. Who does he blame when it is young people who work and then drink recreationally, without any frat involved? Who will he blame when there are no handy elites around?

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    6. “How well did temperance work out when it was the national experiment?”

      Quite badly, as if you weren’t aware. But a University campus can have rules for those who are paying for the privilege of attending. You know – kind of like high school. Were you ever blackout-drunk in high school?

      “Women fight drunk guys off all the time at parties.”

      I do not know what to make of that statement. What the hell kind of parties do you go to, where you need to “fight off drunk guys?” For my part, I would suggest you stop attending parties that require such action.

      Leroy

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  6. When a drunken couple agree to have sex, there is no legal consent. So, are both of them guilty of rape?

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    1. "So, are both of them guilty of rape?"

      Yes, definitely. Also, apparently there is a new rule: during the intercourse the men must ask for a reaffirmation of the consent every 30 seconds. Otherwise - you guessed it - it's rape.

      However, you're woke, then whatever you do, you're still an innocent victim. Victim of the deplorables, viciously tormenting and persecuting your virtuous soul.

      You know, like that Katie Hill woman.

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    2. Actually, if the woman's on top then she's the actionable offender. But just try to see that kind of prosecution.

      By this alcohol = no consent possible definition I was actually raped, and twice. The women brought over beer or wine, got me under the serious influence, messed around, and then got on top of me without notice, and in pitch-black darkness.

      You know what they both said afterwards? "I got tired of waiting."

      Imagine if a male did that!

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    3. @8:04 You have the right to say no, and if you were upset and wanted to stop, wouldn't your erection wilt?

      If men were to start prosecuting women, I believe that both men and women might understand the nature of consent better. No one is saying that women cannot assault or abuse men. Women are tried and convicted for statutory rape too.

      But you are walking perilously close to making fun of the trauma involved with penetration of your body against your will. You think it is rape-like because a woman initiates sex, but if you were anally penetrated against your will, I believe your description would sound different.

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  7. Somerby is trying to equate two situations that are inherently different.

    He says: "Question: If Miller was too drunk to give consent, why wasn't Turner too drunk to realize that she was too drunk?

    If Miller was too drunk to give consent and Turner was drunk too, then he too would be too drunk to give consent. That means that if Miller tried to "rape" Turner, she could be convicted because he was too drunk to consent.

    But Turner wasn't assaulted. Miller didn't do anything to Turner that he refused, she didn't move on him.

    Miller was more drunk than Turner and yet she seemed to understand that he was too drunk to give consent.

    Turner assaulted Miller and I have trouble believing that he expended any mental energty on evaluating her degree of drunkness. I believe he was evaluating her attainability as a sexual partner, which is a euphemism for evaluating how much resistance she might put up to his advances. Because he didn't stop even when she passed out. I don't believe he was too drunk to notice she had passed out. I believe he didn't care.

    Somerby also complains that Miller said that her sister had left to take care of a sick friend. Somerby thinks she should have said that the friend was drunk. The problem with this is that the friend was probably feeling nauseous because of drinking too much and was perhaps vomiting and feeling bad. People in that state do not refer to themselves as drunk. They call themselves sick. When they throw up, they say they are going to be sick. They say they went in the bathroom and were sick. Miller's usage is consistent with the way young people talk about their experience. Somerby is paranoid and seems to want to ascribe deception to Miller even when it is inappropriate. I could call this Somerby's narrative, blinding him to truth and making him unable to read Miller's book with any kind of open mind.

    If a young man is afraid of being wrongfully accused of assaulting someone at a party, perhaps he should keep his wits about him and not drink so much that he will be unable to understand that no means no and unconscious means no too.

    And then there is the way that Somerby blames Stanford for getting everyone drunk, as if they could prevent these kinds of alcohol-fueled parties. Some day Somerby needs to tell us why he hates Stanford and other universities so much that he reads trade nonfiction books just to hate those who understand Einstein and Godel.

    Somerby has become the Trump of bloggers.

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  8. ان كنت تبحث عن نقل آمن لاثاث مكتبك او منزلك او شركتك شركه تنظيف بالعراق
    شركه تنظيف بعمان فانت فى المكان الصحيح ، فمع أفضل شركة نقل اثاث فى مكة المكرمة تسطيع نقل اثاثك بكل سهوله وامان شركة تنظيف بالبحرين
    شركة نقل عفش بمكة الى اى مكان تريد وباقل اسعار نقل العفش بمكه, خبرة عشرات السنين شركه تنظيف دكت المكيفات في مكة
    شركة نقل عفش الشرائع فى نقل العفش بمكه المكرمه,

    ونقدم لعملائنا عمالة مدربة و سيارات نقل عفش بمكه مجهزة شركة نقل عفش العزيزية
    شركة نقل عفش الجعرانة , و اوناش رفع الاثاث بمكه حديثه ، و ارخص اسعار نقل العفش بمكه المكرمه لدينا اتصل بنا الان شركة تنظيف مداخن المطاعم بمكة
    شركة تنظيف المكيفات في مكة واحصل على خصومات تصل 40%

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  9. نحن في شركة التنظيف بالبخار في دبي متخصصون في تنظيف البيوت شركة تنظيف بدبي
    شركه تنظيف بعجمان من مختلف الأنواع.
    مع شركة تنظيف في دبي هناك العديد من الطرق والأساليب الحديثة شركة تنظيف بابو ظبي
    شركة تنظيف بالعين التي تحرص الشركة على القيام بها في عمليةتنظيف الصابون.

    تمتاز شركة تنظيف في دبي بالاعتماد على استخدام أقوى أنواع المنظفات الحديثة والمساحيق المتخصصة في تنظيف الكنب باستخدام أدوات عالمية ذات جودة شركة تنظيف بالشارقة
    شركة تنظيف كنب بعجمان ألمانية وإيطالية ،
    شركة تنظيف كنب بدبي
    شركة تنظيف كنب بالعين والتي تتميز بقدرتها على إزالة أصعب البقع والحبر وغيرها من الشوائب التي تفقد مظهرها . . شركة تنظيف كنب بالشارقة
    شركة تنظيف شقق بعجمان هذه المنظفات ليس لها أي آثار جانبية تضر بصحة الأفراد

    مع شركة تنظيف في دبي تعتبر منظفات البخار النظيفة لدي شركة تنظيف في دبي من بين أفضل الكفاءات شركة تنظيف شقق بدبي
    شركة تنظيف شقق بالعين التي تتعامل مع أجهزة توليد بخار الماء.
    تضاف بعض المنظفات والمنظفات قليلة التنظيف شركة تنظيف شقق بالشارقة إلى صندوق الماء لإنتاج بخار مقاوم للرذاذ لمنظفات قوية .

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  10. تعتمد طريقة تنظيف الموكيت على ماكينة البخار المميزة شركة تنظيف بدبي
    شركه تنظيف بالعين والتي تعمل على دفع البخار الشديد داخل الأنسجة
    ، حيث يوضع العامل في ماكينة البخار المنظف المناسب شركه تنظيف بالشارقه
    شركه تنظيف بعجمان على حسب نوع أنسجة الموكيت، شركة تنظيف كنب بدبي
    شركة تنظيف كنب بالعين والعمل إزالة كافة أنواع البقع والأوساخ العالقة به،
    ثم يتم تعطير الموكيت بالمعطر المنعش شركة تنظيف كنب بالشارقة
    شركة تنظيف كنب بعجمان الذي يدوم لفترات طويلة.

    تسعى شركة تنظيف موكيت بعجمان على تقديم خدماتها بالشكل اللائق والمرضي لعملائنا الكرام شركة تنظيف شقق بدبي
    شركة تنظيف شقق بالعين من خلال الماكينات الحديثة والمنظفات العالمية شركة تنظيف شقق بالشارقة
    شركة تنظيف شقق بعجمان والتي تناسب نوعية ألياف الموكيت،

    والتي أصبح استخدمها ضروري في كثير من المنازل العربية، شركة تنظيف سجاد بدبي
    شركه تنظيف سجاد بالعين نظراً لأسعاره المقبولة للجميع شركه تنظيف سجاد بالشارقه
    شركه تنظيف سجاد بعجمان وسهولة تنظيفه عن السجاد

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  11. نحن فى شركة تنظيف سجاد بدبي نقدم دليلاً شاملاً لأفضل مغاسل السجاد في دبي لمساعدة جميع عملائنا شركة تنظيف بدبي
    شركة تنظيف بالشارقه على الاتصال معهم بيسر بهدف الاستحواذ على خدمات التنظيف والغسيل في البيت بأفضل الأثمان شركة تنظيف بعجمان
    شركة تنظيف بالعين والاستفادة من العروض الموسمية التي تقوم بتقديمها أفضل أشكال السجاد مغاسل دبي لاغير بواسطة مؤسسات غسيل سجاد بدبي .

    كثيرا ماً ما يتطلب بعض الزبائن إلى تطهير وغسل السجاد في البيت شركة تنظيف منازل بدبي ، لكنهم لا يمكنهم القيام بهذا بأنفسهم ويفضلون اللجوء إلى غسيل السجاد في دبي ،
    وهو متاح لغسيل السجاد في البيت لادخار الوقت والجهد في تفكيك الموكيت ونقله من مقر إلى آخر شركة تنظيف سجاد بدبي ، وحالياً بات ذلك أكثر سهولة وأسرع فيما يتعلق لشركات تطهير سجاد في دبي

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  12. تقوم شركة تنظيف فلل دبى بمهمة تنظيف الفلل الحديثة والفلل القديمة شركه تنظيف بدبي
    شركات التنظيف بالعين قيد الإنشاء بأقل الأسعار.
    نظرًا لأن مدينة دبي واحدة من أقدم وأجمل الفلل في العالم شركه تنظيف بالشارقه
    شركة تنظيف فى عجمان ، فإنها تحتاج دائمًا إلى شركة متخصصة لتنظيف الفلل والقصور شركة تنظيف شقق بعجمان للحفاظ على جمال الفيلات ومظهرها الرائع شركة تنظيف كنب بدبي
    شركة تنظيف شقق بدبي
    تقوم شركتنا بتنظيف جميع محتويات الفلل من حمامات السباحة والحدائق

    ويوجد أشخاص من الفريق متخصصين في تنظيف الواجهات شركة تنظيف ستائر بدبي
    شركة تنظيف مفروشات بدبي سواء كانت زجاجية أو حجرية فكل نوع من هذه الواجهات يستخدم به أدوات مختلفة شركة تنظيف شقق بالعين
    شركة تنظيف شقق بالشارقة ويحتاج إلى طريقة مختلفة في التنظيف حتى يصل إلى النتائج المرغوبة. شركة تنظيف شقق بالعين
    شركة تنظيف شقق بالشارقة

    وتقوم شركتنا على العمال المهرة والمتخصصين في عملية تنظيف الفلل شركة تنظيف شقق بعجمان
    شركة تنظيف كنب بالعين لدينا أفضل الطرق لتنظيف الفلل والقصور من الداخل والخارج شركة تنظيف كنب بالشارقة
    شركة تنظيف كنب بعجمان فلا تتردد اتصل بشركة تنظيف الفلل في دبي .

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  13. نعتمد في شركة تنظيف كنب بالعين على العديد من الطرق الحديثة والمتطورة شركة تنظيف بدبي
    شركة تنظيف بالشارقة التي تمنحنا النتائج التي نبحث عنها
    حيث يقوم المشرف العام على أعمال التنظيف بتحديد طريقة التنظيف المناسبة شركة تنظيف بعجمان
    شركة تنظيف بالعين طبقا لخامات قماش الكنب ودرجة الاتساخ

    فإذا كانت رغبتكم هي الحصول على كنب نظيف بطلة عصرية ومظهر جذاب شركة تنظيف كنب بدبي
    شركة تنظيف كنب بالشارقة فشركتنا هي الوحيدة القادرة على تحقيق ما تطمحون إليه ويرجع السبب لكون شركتنا شركة تنظيف كنب بعجمان
    شركة تنظيف كنب بالعين تتوفر على إمكانيات لا يوجد لها مثيل مثل:

    العمالة الفنية والتي تتميز بما يلي:
    لدينا فريق عمل متميز يتم انتقاؤه بدقة كبيرة شركة تنظيف شقق بدبي
    شركة تنظيف شقق بالشارقة من خلال مجموعة من المعايير.
    عمالتنا تمتلك خبرة طويلة في هذا المجال شركة تنظيف شقق بعجمان
    شركة تنظيف شقق بالعين الشيء الذي يمكنها من التعامل باحترافية مع مختلف الاتساخات.

    تخضع عمالتنا باستمرار لدورات تدريبية الشيء الذي يجعلها مواكبة لجديد المجال شركة تنظيف منازل بدبي
    شركة تنظيف منازل بالشارقة فيما يخص طرق التنظيف الحديثة شركة تنظيف منازل بعجمان
    شركة تنظيف منازل بالعين والمنظفات الجديدة

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  14. تعمل شركة تنظيف بالشارقة على تقديم العديد من الخدمات عالية الجودة شركة تنظيف بعجمان
    شركة تنظيف بدبي في كل المجالات منها تنظيف الكنب بجودة عالية والتخلص من كل الأتربة والبقع عن طريق استخدام الآلات والتنظيف العادي والجاف.
    تنظيف الأرضيات شركة تنظيف بالشارقة
    شركة تنظيف بالعين باستخدام آلات الجلي الكهربائية التي تعمل على إزالة طبقة من الأرضيات شركات تنظيف الشقق فى بعجمان
    شركات تنظيف شقق فى دبي والتي تؤدى إلى رجوعها جديدة مرة أخرى.

    تنظيف السجاد والموكيت بأعلى مستوى من الجودة شركة تنظيف شقق فى الشارقة
    شركة تنظيف الشقق فى العين المعروف الذي يحافظ على الأنسجة من المخاطر

    وأيضا من بهتان اللون و تنظيف واجهات الفلل والمنازل والفنادق والشركات والمطاعم الزجاجية والحجرية الموجودة في كل إنحاء الشارقة شركة تنظيف كنب عجمان
    شركات تنظيف الكنب فى دبي وأيضا المناطق القريبة من المدينة.

    لهذا سيدتي اذا رغبتي في تحصيل نظافة مميزة لمنزلك شركات تنظيف كنب فى الشارقة
    افضل شركة تنظيف كنب فى العين وبيتك فلا تترددي في الاتصال بنا علي رقم شركة تطهير منازل بالشارقة الامانة شركات تنظيف منازل فى بعجمان
    شركات تنظيف منازل فى دبي وسوف تجدينا عند حسن ظنك بنا شركة تنظيف منازل فى الشارقة
    شركة تنظيف المنازل فى العين

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  15. شركات تنظيف المنازل في الشارقة نجد ان السجاد والموكيت شركه تنظيف فى دبي
    شركات تنظيف فى الشارقه هم اكثر الاثاثات تلقيا للأتربة والجراثيم والميكروبات شركه تنظيف فى عجمان
    شركه تنظيف فى العين والتي تنتقل منهم للأشخاص المقيمين شركة تنظيف كنب بدبي
    شركة تنظيف شقق بدبي في المكان

    ولذلك تقوم شركة تنظيف فلل دبي بتوجيه عنايه فائقة لتنظيفهم شركة تنظيف منازل بدبي
    شركة تنظيف فلل بدبي والقضاء علي اي اتربة او بقع شركة تنظيف ستائر بدبي
    شركات تنظيف كنب فى الشارقه او ميكروبات بهم ،
    وذلك يتم عن طريق شطفهم بالمياه جيدا شركات تنظيف شقق فى الشارقه
    شركات تنظيف منازل فى الشارقه لإزالة اي اتربة من عليهم
    ثم بعد ذلك يتم رش المنظفات الفعالة شركات تنظيف فلل فى الشارقه
    شركه تنظيف كنب فى عجمان عليه التي بدورها تقوم بالقضاء علي اي ميكروبات او بقع شركه تنظيف شقق فى عجمان
    شركه تنظيف فلل فى عجمان بالسجاد او الموكيت

    ثم بعد ذلك يتم شطفهم بالمياه جيدا ويتم تجفيفهم شركه تنظيف كنب فى العين
    شركه تنظيف شقق فى العين وتأتي مرحلة التعقيم والتعطير شركه تنظيف فلل فى العين
    شركه تنظيف فى الامارات حتي يتم الوصول بهم لأفضل نظافة ممكنه شركات تنظيف المنازل في دبي.

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  16. مهمة تنظيف المنزل من أهم الأعمال اليومية والروتينية ، ارخص شركة تنظيف خزانات بجدة
    شركة تنظيف خزانات بجدة تكون أعمال تنظيف سهله ،واعمال تنظيف أخري صعبة علي سيدات المنزل افضل شركة تنظيف خزانات بجدة
    شركة عزل خزانات بجدة ، ولذلك تجد نفسها في أشد الحاجة بالاستعانة بالمتخصصين ، من العمالة المدربة والتي توفرها شركات التنظيف داخل جدة أو في أي منطقة داخل المملكة العربية السعوديه شركة مكافحة حشرات برابغ
    شركة تنظيف برابغ لشركة تنظيف شقق بجدة

    تعتبر عملية التنظيف بصفة عامة من أكثر الأشياء التي تحتاج لجهد مضاعف، شركة تنظيف شقق بجدة
    ارخص شركة تنظيف شقق بجدة من حيث الوقت والصحة، شركة تنظيف كنب بالبخار بجدة
    شركة تنظيف سجاد بالبخار بجدة فالإنسان بطبيعة الحال يبحث دائمًا عن الراحة والنظافة،

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  17. تنظيف التكييف لدينا يضمن لك صيانة متخصصة للمكيف الخاص بك افضل شركة تنظيف بالبخار بجدة
    شركة تنظيف كنب بالبخار بجدة وذلك لأننا نقوم بفحص كل مكونات التكيف شركة تنظيف سجاد بالبخار بجدة
    شركة مكافحة البق بجدة من أجل اكتشاف أعطال المكيف من أسلاك ووصلات ودوائر
    واستبدال قطع الغيار التالفة بأخرى أصلية، شركة مكافحة العتة بجدة
    شركة نظافة رابغ بسعر مثالي.

    صيانة المكيف لدينا تضمن لك تغير غاز الفيرون وضبط الضغط شركة مكافحة النمل الابيض بجدة
    شركة تنظيف مكيفات بجدة وفحص كل أجزاء التكيف وصيانتها ومنع سقوط وتسرب المياه من التكيف افضل شركات مكافحة الحشرات فى جدة
    شركة مكافحة حشرات برابغ وحل مشكلات توقف المكيف فجاءه

    تنظيف وصيانة المكيفات هي الضمان الأمثل الذي يضمن قدرة التكيف على تبريد المكان وتلطيف الأجواء السيئة بجودة عالية شركة تنظيف خزانات برابغ
    وذلك لأن اي شيء مهما كان جيد وكفئ لابد من الاعتناء به وصيانته بشكل دوري لكي يبقى في حالة جيدة تمكنه من أداء وظيفته.

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  18. يفضل البعض الحدائق الاسبانيه في هذا النوع من الحدائق يرى الشخص القادم إلى المنزل الذوق العربي فيها، بلاطات مطاطية للجيم
    ارضيات مطاطية لأنها تحتوي على أشجار طويلة،

    كما أنها تحتوي على مجموعة أحواض خاصة بالورد شركات تنسيق حدائق بمصر
    شركة تنسيق حدائق ، ويتم تنسيق هذه الحديقة بشكل جذاب ومميز. شركة تجهيز ملاعب
    شركة نجيل صناعى يفضل أن تحتوي الأرضية في هذه الحديقة على الفسيفساء شركات نجيل صناعي في مصر
    شركة تجهيز ملاعب رياضية لأنه متناسب بشكل أفضل من الحديقة الإسبانية.

    وكذلك تصميم يتناسب مع مداخل المنازل لترحب بزوارك ولتنبؤهم عما ينتظرهم بالداخل، فالحديقة بهذا القدر من التناغم نجيل صناعي
    خرسانة مطبوعة والتآلف،
    فمن المؤكد أن هذا سيطول تنسيق المنزل بالداخل.
    اعتمد التصميم على التنوع في ألوان وأحجام الحصى والأحجار المستخدمة في تنسيق الحديقة شركات تجهيز الملاعب فى مصر ، كما استعان بأنواع وألوان مختلفة من النباتات أحيا بها المشهد وأثراه.

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  19. أفضل شركة مكافحة حشرات فى جدة هل تعلم لماذا ؟ شركة تنظيف بالبخار بجدة
    شركة تنظيف دكت مكيفات بجدة السبب الذي جعل شركتنا بجدة من افضل شركات مكافحة الحشرات فى جدة عدة أسباب

    و قد تعتبر مميزات شركة تنظيف مداخن مطاعم جدة
    شركة تنظيف مساجد بجدة لن تجدها لدى أية شركة رش مبيدات فى جدة و هي أن شركتنا تقدم فئات شركة تنظيف خزانات بجده
    افضل شركة مكافحة حشرات بجدة و خدمات عديدة مختصة بمجال مكافحة الحشرات شركة تنظيف مساجد بجدة
    شركة تنظيف واجهات زجاجية بجدة

    فنحن نقدم تلك الخدمة للعديد من الفئات و الجهات المختلفة فى جدة فقليلاً ما قد تجد شركة تقدم خدمات رش مبيدات خاصة بالفنادق و المحلات التجارية ارخص شركة تنظيف خزانات المياه بجدة
    ارخص شركة عزل خزانات بجدة والمؤسسات الحكومية

    ولكن شركتنا تضم كافة أشكال الخدمات ارخص شركة صيانة خزانات بجدة
    ارخص شركة تنظيف خزانات بجدة لكي تتأكد من أنها وصلت لجميع من يسكنون فى مدينة جدة

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  20. طبعا نحن لا نستطيع ان نغفل اهمية النظافة فى حياتنا شركة تنظيف منازل اسكندرية
    شركة تنظيف طنطا فكما يقول الرسول الكريم فى حديثة الشريف ( النظافة من الايمان )

    هذا الى جانب الى ان النظافة المستمرة تريح العين شركات تنظيف منازل بالتجمع الخامس
    شركات تنظيف منازل بمدينة نصر وتجعل النفسية ممتازة وهذا ما يجعلنا نقوم بخدمة التنظيف بطريقة مميزة شركات تنظيف المنازل في العراق
    شركات تنظيف المنازل الجيزه تقوم على راحة العين والنفس حتى تنشرح النفسية الى ابعد حد
    وحتى يصبح التنظيف فى المنازل والفلل بالجيزه اسلوب حياة شركات تنظيف بالقاهرة
    شركات تنظيف المنازل بالقاهرة .

    ايضا النظافة المستمرة تجعلنا نحافظ على صحتنا وتغنينا عن امراض كثيرة شركات تنظيف شقق
    شركات تنظيف في الاردن نحن فى غنى عنها وتقينا نحن والادنا الكثير من الاشياء الضارة والتى يمكن تفاديها بسهولة تامة شركات تنظيف المنازل في دبي
    شركات تنظيف المنازل في الكويت اذا قمنا بخدمة التنظيف المستمرة لبيوتنا بالجيزه

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  21. فني المنيوم دائما ما يساهم في تركيب الالمنيوم داخل المنزل التي تعد من الخامات الرائعة التي تمتلك عدد مختلف من المميزات الفريدة فنى المنيوم
    فني المنيوم الكويت التي من الصعب أن تتوافر بهذا الشكل في أي خدمة أخرى حيث أنه من أهم مميزات الالمنيوم تركيب شتر الكويت
    معلم المنيوم شاطر هو أنه من الخامات المنيوم الكويت
    فني المنيوم الجهراء التي يمكن تطبيقها على جميع المساحات سواء المساحات الكبيرة أو المساحات الضيقة.

    خاصة المطابخ الصغيرة يمكن استخدام الالمنيوم فيها بشكل رائع والحصول على مجموعة من التصميمات التي تمنح للمطبخ الاتساع الكبير فني المنيوم حولى
    فنى تركيب شتر الكويت بالإضافة إلى أن الالمنيوم من الخامات التي تشتمل على عدد كبير من الالوان المختلفة بعضها ألوان هادئة متميزة
    يمكن الاعتماد عليها في التصميم الانيق للمطبخ فني المنيوم الكويت
    معلم المنيوم شاطر مثل اللون البترولي الفاتح. الذي يعد من التصميمات العصرية

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  22. JUST MADE IT
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