...what happens if Bernie wins?: As we watch the liberal and mainstream worlds implode, we don't know which is sadder:
Is it this front-page report in the New York Times about the identity Babel within the Buttigieg campaign?
(As best we can tell, Katrina Smith is one year out of college.)
Or is it the pitiful report which leads this morning's National section—the sprawling report about several candidates' dogs?
So far, the Times hasn't gotten wround to profiling the various candidates' hairdressers, as was done, on the paper's front page, in the case of Candidate Romney. But as we bumble toward The End, can those reports be far behind?
Whatever! Today, we recommend a series of reports about the possible perils associated with Candidate Sanders.
What will happen in the general election if Bernie wins nomination? WE can't tell you that.
It was always hard to make predictions, especially about the future. Given the way all norms have crashed, we'd say it can barely be done at all at this point.
We can't tell you what will happen if Sanders wins the nomination. But in The Atlantic, David Frum makes a significant point:
FRUM (1/27/20): Bernie Sanders is a fragile candidate. He has never fought a race in which he had to face serious personal scrutiny. None of his Democratic rivals is subjecting him to such scrutiny in 2020. Hillary Clinton refrained from scrutinizing Sanders in 2016. It did not happen, either, in his many races in Vermont. A Politico profile in 2015 by Michael Kruse argued that Sanders had benefited from “an unwritten compact between Sanders, his supporters, and local reporters who have steered clear” of writing about Sanders’s personal history “rather than risk lectures about the twisted priorities of the press.”Sanders' foibles have never been frisked. Candidate Trump won't be like that.
The Trump campaign will not steer clear. It will hit him with everything it’s got. It will depict him as a Communist in the grip of twisted sexual fantasies, a useless career politician who oversaw a culture of sexual harassment in his 2016 campaign...
Frum goes on from there, detailing some of the candidate's vulnerabilities—and some of them, by traditional norms, are, without question, quite daunting.
And Frum is hardly alone. Time has passed and now it seems everybody is having those dreams! That includes Jonathan Chait at New York; William Saletan at Slate; and Michelle Goldberg in the New York Times.
Everyone's listing the potential list of horribles available to Herr Trump. That said, we'll recommend the analysis Goldberg offered back in 2016, when she was still at Slate.
What will happen when Trump goes wild? Four years ago, Goldberg mentioned these points, among others:
GOLDBERG (5/2/16): [T]here’s been only scattered excavation of Sanders’ radical connections. He has never been asked to account for his relationship with the Trotskyist Socialist Workers Party, for which he served as a presidential elector in 1980. At the time, the party’s platform called for abolishing the U.S. military budget and proclaimed “solidarity” with revolutionary Iran. (This was in the middle of the Iranian hostage crisis.) There’s been little cable news chatter about Sanders’ 1985 trip to Nicaragua, where he reportedly joined a Sandinista rally with a crowd chanting, “Here, there, everywhere/ The Yankee will die.”...Goldberg continued from there. So Goldberg wrote, even before we all came to see how crazy Trump is willing to be. (As we all know, the word "reportedly" has little meaning to him.)
The Clinton campaign has also ignored Sanders’ youthful sex writings. Republicans are unlikely to be so decorous. Imagine an ad drawing from the old Sanders essay “The Revolution Is Life Versus Death.” First it might quote the candidate mocking taboos on child nudity: “Now, if children go around naked, they are liable to see each others [sic] sexual organs, and maybe even touch them. Terrible thing!” Then it would quote him celebrating girls who defy their mothers and have sex with their boyfriends: “The revolution comes … when a girl pushes aside all that her mother has ‘taught’ her and accepts her boyfriends [sic] love.”...It takes no special political insight to see that Republicans will try to make Sanders seem like a sexual weirdo. Will it work? I have no idea, but there’s no shorter route to the frightened lizard brain of the American electorate than dark talk about children and sex.
In fairness, Candidate Warren's past claims about being an American Indian would also beg for revival. The liberal world has shown amazingly little awareness of the way that matter might play if Trump chose to revive it. And how about Biden's wayward son? Surely everyone understands that he never should have been in Ukraine.
Could Trump ride such matters to re-election? We can't tell you that. But even in kinder and gentler times, Candidate Dukakis went down because Dems weren't prepared to deal with the Willie Horton matter. Later, along came Candidate Kerry, seemingly unprepared for the inevitable Swift boat attacks.
Donald Trump is out of his mind; our liberal world is fading away in a descent into Babel. Our public discourse has long been characterized by a very stable dumbness.
Future anthropologists keep insisting that it's too late to attend to such matters. Our president is out of his mind, they say, and our liberal and mainstream factions have never been more helpless.
That's what despondent future experts have glumly been saying to us. They communicate through the nocturnal submissions the haters refer to as dreams.
"In fairness, Candidate Warren's past claims about being an American Indian would also beg for revival. The liberal world has shown amazingly little awareness of the way that matter might play if Trump chose to revive it."
ReplyDeleteSomerby revives this weekly. Trump says so much ridiculous stuff that this is unlikely to get any traction among liberal or Democratic voters, and it will not seem like a big deal to independents either. It is trivial compared to her detailed plans for addressing a wide range of issues.
No one cares about this, Somerby. Give it a rest.
You don't need any special insight on the workings of the media, nor a crystal ball, to know the corporate-owned Right-wing media (AKA "the media") will play this up in order to keep from reporting about Warren's policies of holding criminal bankers accountable.
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DeleteOf course you are right. But Somerby used to push back against the media, the way he did with Bill Clinton and Al Gore. He didn’t present the media bs directed at them as something troubling *about the candidates.* of course Clinton’s affair with Lewinsky was fodder for the press, but Somerby attacked the press for it, not Clinton. He has mocked Warren himself, and further, he says that the press has a point, that Warren did something troubling. And is there any substance to these insinuations against Bernie? Somerby isn’t bothered to examine that. Ultimately, any Democratic candidate will be treated like this.
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ReplyDeleteDukakis went down because he underestimated the racism of voters. Kerry went down, not just because of the swiftboating, but because they called him a French elitist who sail-boarded and lived off his heiress wife. And George Bush lied about being a moderate (indistinguishable from Kerry) and his own stupidity. The entire left underestimated the venality of the new right. In 2016, they ignored the traitorous collusion with Russia, so we keep underestimating the venality of the right. It is hard to see how that will end, but it has nothing to do with who the left nominates as a candidate.
We keep trying to pick a candidate who will appeal to voters, while the right keeps trying to rig the election. Trump doesn't appeal to anyone except bigots and disgruntled white men who love him because he is a disgusting pig who farts at the dinner table (of politics). And of course, the wealthy love him because he will help them preserve their wealth and do favors for them.
ReplyDeleteSo we need to figure out how they are planning to steal the election and take measures to counteract that.
Bernie is a horrible candidate. He is wrong on "identity" issues so he will not appeal to female or black voters. He will have trouble winning on the left, especially if he continues mistreating Warren (even via surrogates). Clinton is correct that he couldn't accomplish anything in the Senate and cannot work with people. That was obvious after she won the nomination and he failed to support her.
We should be discussing whether Biden can win and what kind of candidate he would make. I personally will not vote for him. I will not vote for Trump either, but I am planning to leave the country if Trump is reelected.
“What will happen when Trump goes wild? Four years ago, Goldberg mentioned these points, among others”
ReplyDeleteThere’s a lot of irony to be found in the 2016 and 2020 media angst detailing all the contrivances that Trump can use against Sanders.
And unlike the DNC, the RNC won’t even can people and apologize to Sanders for it.
And Somerby doesn’t even bother to notice this.
Delete"As we all know, the word "reportedly" has little meaning to him."
ReplyDeleteMeh. This would've been a nice example of dembot projection, dear Bob, but it's a bit dated.
In the last few years your Liberal Psycho-Queen (who, presumably is perfectly sane by your lights, n'est pas?) labeled a whole bunch of American politicians "foreign assets", without any "reportedly" even within a mile of it. Just pure defamation, completely made up, out of thin air.
And I didn't see you objecting, not even weakly, dear Bob.
And thus, you, dear Bob, speak once again (more and more recently) like a garden variety dembot, who is more than happy to dish it out, but is terrified of taking it.
Yeah, quelle surprise.
"who, presumably is perfectly sane by your lights, n'est pas?"
DeleteShe's perfectly not been charged with any crimes, if that's what you're getting at.
Trump's "all the best people" on the other hand....
Lol. Liberal Psycho-Queen, not charged with any crimes, and therefore, according to Bob Somerby and his house dembots, perfectly sane.
DeleteIt could be her campaign slogan and Bob's blog motto, at the same time.
Mark at 1:22,
DeleteI was responding to you pretending that you cared about criminality.
I didn't realize your latest post was about you pretending to care about sanity.
I don't see where TDH has ever opined that Clinton is "perfectly sane." Also, as far as I'm concerned, TDH's amateur psychiatrist role postulating that Trump is "mentally ill" is quite off base. Trump is shrewd, but there are obvious reasons so many find him obnoxious. I also fail to see any evidence from you that Clinton is a "liberal Psycho-Queen" (whatever that is - is it different than being a "psycho-witch"? What evidence do you have for that slur, other than irrational loathing for her? That she called Tulsi Gabbard (I don't know who else) a "Russian asset" (being sued by Tulsi for that)? I am pretty sure that alone doesn't make someone a "liberal Psycho-Queen."
Delete"I don't see where TDH has ever opined that Clinton is "perfectly sane.""
DeleteWell, like you said, he calls Mr Trump 'insane' practically every day. And somehow no one from "his tribe" (his cult, if you ask me) ever deserves this epithet.
At the beginning of his obsession with 'insanity', I was thinking along the lines of "why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?", but now, I'm afraid, it's much worse than that.
It's gone too far; it's very near vulgar dembottery.
Alas, poor Bob is turning into a dembot.
As Mark Cheng Ji cries out for his safe space, won't any Liberal stroke his hair and let him know Trump's next huge tax cut for the establishment is just around the corner?
DeleteHe's just a poor rube, not nearly wise enough to realize he's being taken by grifters.
Some say "Sad", Some say "Pathetic", but they both describe the poor cuck's life.
Mao, I guess you don't see the irony of you complaining about anyone not seeing the mote in their own eye. Seems to apply to your repetitive stance bigly.
DeleteI'm not complaining; I'm merely observing. Observing what I perceive as a rapid degradation of the blogger whose posts we're discussing here.
DeleteIf you have nothing to say to the blogger, and prefer discussing commenters instead, sure, that's fine with me. Obviously, you won't feel lonely here, as this is a common dembot M.O.
"I'm not complaining"
DeleteMore bullshit.
You'll die of old age waiting for a Right-winger to make a good faith claim.
Somerby used to rail at Nicolle Wallace, questioning why any liberal should listen to her since she had the blood of Iraq on her hands as a member of the W Bush administration. Indeed, that fact was supposed to automatically disqualify her opinions.
ReplyDeleteSo it is quite ironic that here he passes along the insights of David Frum, major speechwriter for W and creator of the phrase “axis of evil.”
Finally, some Bernie bashing instead of the usual Warren bashing.
ReplyDeleteYay yay yay yay yay!
Of course, one could say that Somerby here is helping the media damage Bernie, just as he helped them damage Warren.
It's not "Bernie bashing" - he's just saying what will almost certainly will happen if Sanders somehow wins the nomination. Even if you adore Sanders, if you're honest and not stupid you'd have to acknowledge this is what will happen.
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DeleteClinton’s affair with Lewinsky was certainly something the press and the right wing were going to use against Clinton.
The difference is that Somerby attacked the press for this, not Clinton. Plus, he vigorously debunked all the media bs about Gore. He didn’t simply pass it along in concern troll mode.
Here, he is simply repeating media “concerns” (from a Republican, no less), doesn’t try to debunk them, and implies that Democrats should think twice about Sanders, just as he did with Warren.
If you recall, Somerby has pronounced all the D candidates “terrible.” So he is hardly prepared to defend them by debunking media “concerns” about them.
In other words, by not debunking or even analyzing any of the bs he is repeating, he is implicitly engaging in bashing of the candidates.
How good the candidates are is subjective and depends on your criteria for what a "good" candidate is. A big part of it is that he or she will have a good chance to win. I'm not greatly encouraged by the field of candidates myself. TDH attacked the press for their treatment of Clinton and Gore - especially that a lot of it was coming from so-called liberal press and pundits - but I am pretty sure he mentioned that Clinton's dalliance with Lewinsky was extremely stupid on his part and self-destructive (and if TDH hasn't said that - it's true nevertheless). TDH is not here repeating media concerns about Sanders, or the republican never-Trumper Frum (not that being a never-Trumper is so bad) he is simply stating the reality that this is what Sanders will get if he is nominated. Now you can reasonably argue that Sanders' appearance with the Sandinistas, his youthful musings about sex, his going on his honeymoon to Moscow, etc. are irrelevant to how he'd perform as president, but it raises a real concern about his electability. You seem to advocate that we should our heads in the sand.
DeleteAC/ MA,
DeleteFirst question to any would be Democratic candidate should be "What condiments do you put on your hamburger?"
Wouldn't want the Right-wing media (AKA the media) to use the wrong answer to show the candidate isn't a "real American".
"...the identity Babel within the Buttigieg campaign?"
ReplyDeleteSomerby takes a swipe at Katrina Smith, for being young and holding a job he couldn't get, but then he refers to civil rights as an "identity babel".
Buttigieg has a real problem with African Americans and he deserves it. He wasn't able to handle the uproar in South Bend when he fired the first African American police chief, then reinstated him with a demotion in response to community outrage. During his term as Mayor, black officers quit the force because he failed to deal with the overt racism of the white officers. That's a bad start. Now he is being criticized by minority members of his campaign staff because they feel they are not being given input into campaign activities. That translates to being treated as tokens, there to be visible but not to actually contribute to the campaign.
Buttigieg needs African Americans to win a general election. He doesn't have their support now. If he cannot gain their support, he has no chance of beating Trump. Realizing that, the Democratic Party will not nominate him if he cannot turn this around.
Somerby thinks identity issues are bad. This makes him ideologically similar to Bernie, who reduces the problems of minorities and women to economics (despite studies showing that racism is independent of and a distinct problem from poverty). But it is also ideologically similar to conservatives. They reduce minority issues to Randian individualism and social Darwinism (survival of the fittest), when they are not being just outright bigots.
Identity politics in large measure is crazy. Maybe they get some votes but probably lose a lot more and lose elections. So much of it is seeking out reasons to be outraged over insignificant or nonexistent things that the average person thinks is ridiculous.
Delete"Civil rights are insignificant?"
DeleteYou know the old saying, "If it didn't happen to a straight, white, male, Christian, it didn't happen."
Civil rights are important depending on what you mean by civil rights. Exaggeration, distortion, reductionism, irrationalism, manufactured outrage, cluelessness, stupidity aren't always productive in realizing goals, or in portraying the truth.
DeleteThese are just a list of adjectives that one side uses to complain about the other.
DeleteThis article is interesting:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/bernie-sanders-the-trouble-with/24768/
If you knew that the Russians and Republicans were both rooting for Bernie, would he still be your first choice?
What self-respecting liberal would refer to civil rights as an "identity Babel"?
ReplyDeleteAfter Trump was elected despite a cornucopia of skeletons, verbal missteps, buffoonery, and boderline criminal activity to his credit, how concerned should rational people be about Bernie's youthful foibles? Trump is going to get mileage out of calling Bernie a sexual weirdo? Grab em by the pussy, paid off the porn star, 25 women claimed sexual misconduct Trump? Is there anyone in the US who doesn't know Bernie is a socialist? Joe Rogan's podcast endorsement of Bernie prob has more real world impact regarding influencing new voters than Frum's article.
ReplyDelete“And how about Biden's wayward son? Surely everyone understands that he never should have been in Ukraine.”
ReplyDeleteNotice how Somerby does *not* say “the media and the GOP will use the trumped up Hunter Biden/Ukraine thing to falsely attack Joe Biden.”
No, he implies the media and the GOP have a point.
“In fairness, Candidate Warren's past claims about being an American Indian would also beg for revival. The liberal world has shown amazingly little awareness of the way that matter might play if Trump chose to revive it. “
ReplyDelete“The liberal world has shown amazingly little awareness...” That isn’t true. Everyone knows Trump fights dirty. Everyone knows he calls her Pocahontas all the time.
The amazing thing is that Somerby thinks liberals ought to reject Warren because Trump will call her names.
Perhaps Somerby is underestimating Warren’s ability as a candidate in the general election to counter Trump’s bullshit.
Perhaps Somerby thinks liberals should just check with Trump or the RNC to see which Democratic candidate they approve of?
Of better yet, perhaps Democrats should hold out for the one perfect candidate, the one Trump can’t possibly mock, or make up lies about.
It's called "concern trolling", and is one of the signature moves of Right-wing ratfuckers, going back decades.
Delete"one Trump can’t possibly mock, or make up lies about."
DeleteYou have that already: Yang. He will toast Trump in a general election. No question. He is the perfect candidate. His policies are the most progressive.
True liberals have been given a major gift on a platter. The genius Yang.
Establishment Democrats are against him though because he threatens their entrenched power systems. And so many libs live in a bubble. They don't get Yang yet. You'll see soon though.
12:35 is correct. The USA is far Left country. All the talk about it being "center-right" is Right-wing bullshit/ wishful thinking reported by the stenographers in the corporate-owned media.
DeleteJust in case 12:35 is mistaken, Yang probably shouldn't mention black citizens will also get $1,000/ month under his Universal Basic Income program.
Yang isn't about left and right. Blacks love him. Trump supporters love him. Black Trump supporters love him. Independents love him. Non voters love him. Lesbians love him as do truckers and mimes. The left/right labels don't really apply. It's more like rich versus poor. Yang is the new God-warrior of America. He's at least 150 times smarter than Biden or Bernie. Yang is the future. All those other aged yackers are the past.
DeleteMost Democrats are in a huge bubble. They think everyone in small towns that voted for Trump is racist. That is a very, very ignorant view on the matter. It's is simply and demonstrably wrong. But that will all be made very clear to them shortly. The Yang wave be about to crash down on their heads.
It's the dawning of a new era of American politics and American life.
I agree! Yang Gang Killa Bees be swarming and D.C. niggaz don't even know what's about to hit em.
DeleteYang? Meh. Not another ivy league-schooled lawyer, please.
Delete3:21,
Delete12:35 says Yang's policies are the most progressive. Are you intimating that Trump voters want to vote for the candidate with the most progressive policies?
If yes, do Trump voters know that?
I voted for Obama twice and voted for Bernie and Trump in 2016 and will do it again. If Bernie is nominated I have a decision to make. I can't stand the rest of the Democrat field. I can't stand the woke left.
ReplyDeleteAs long as Trump doesn't raise a finger (other than the middle one) for rural whites, he's got my vote too.
DeleteI'm also an unaffiliated voter and white. The racism and hate of the Democrats is one of the reasons why I no longer identify with them.
DeleteI'm voting for Yang. His vision is far, far superior to all the others imo.
DeleteThere is no such thing as "white privilege", it's just that white people lose their Rights when everyone is treated equally under the law.
DeleteAlso, as a white person, I don't see how Trump being President negatively affects the lives of US/ world citizens.
11:58,
DeleteAgreed that we can't depend on Democrats to ride in on a white horse and easily fix everything. Have you decided who you'll vote for in the Republican primary?
Somerby continues his usual concern trolling, his attempts to drive divisions in Democrats. He is a Trumptard, mind, body and soul. A lying, clueless, Trumptard.
ReplyDeleteTsk. Here's another one, dear Bob:
ReplyDeleteWatch: Angry Rand Paul Demands Trump Sue Schumer
Is your zombie VIP "Chuck" Demigod Schumer some sort of mentally ill, perhaps?
Frankly, we have no idea; you be the judge, dear Bob...
Dear Rand Paul,
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