FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 25, 2020
So too with everyone else: Should the officers who shot and killed Breonna Taylor have been charged with a crime?
This morning, on the web site of the Washington Post, Paul Butler glumly says yes. (Butler's column doesn't appear in today's hard-copy Post.)
According to the Post's identity line, Butler is the Albert Brick Professor in Law at Georgetown University. He's a graduate of Harvard Law School, and even of Yale before that.
Inevitably, the Post further identifies Butler as "a former federal prosecutor." As people with cable access know, he's one of the roughly three million such former officials who swarmed over MSNBC in recent years, assuring us that Robert Mueller was going to take Trump down and that the Southern District of New York is stocked with the greatest crime-fighters in the history of the whole world.
If so, why hadn't Trump ever been charged with a crime? The question was never asked.
Almost surely, Butler is a good, decent person. On TV, he always seems like the saddest person in the room.
He's a graduate of Yale and of Harvard Law. This morning, he's making zero sense, courtesy of the Post.
In his opening paragraph, Butler seems to vastly understate the reasons why Louisville police staged the (inherently dangerous) raid in which Taylor was shot and killed. More accurately, we'd be inclined to say that Butler misstates the reason for that inherently dangerous and ultimately fatal police action.
We'll leave those complaints to the ages. For today, let's say this:
Late-night raids strike us as remarkably dangerous on their face. That said, they've long been a standard part of police behavior, and three police officers (with backup) were sent to conduct such a raid that night.
Butler says they should be charged with manslaughter. As liberals, let's agree to be truthful just this once. Does this make any sense?
BUTLER (9/25/20): I’m a former prosecutor, and I would have charged all three officers with manslaughter. I think murder would be overcharging, because the officers did not have the intent to kill Taylor. Still, if three gang members burst into an apartment, were met with gunfire by somebody in the home, and in response shot up the apartment complex and killed an innocent person, they would almost certainly be charged with homicide.
It’s no less of a crime when three cops do the same thing. Self-defense is an issue, but one that a jury should decide.
No, really. That's what the passage actually says, and the Post chose to publish it.
Does that passage make any sense? Speaking directly just this once, that passage strikes us as insane.
In fairness, it's certainly true! If three gang members break into someone's apartment (after midnight) and end up killing an innocent person, they will almost surely be charged with an array of crimes.
We'll assume that these hypothetical gang members would be charged with homicide. But according to Butler, "it's no less of a crime" when three police officers do the same thing!
Does that make any sense? On its face, that strikes us as insane. For starters, let's try this:
The officers had been directed to raid Taylor's apartment as part of a narcotics investigation. They had a search warrant authorizing them to conduct a no-knock raid—a search warrant which had been approved by a (female) judge who had reviewed the rationale behind this dangerous action.
According to the New York Times, the rationale involved a long list of behaviors by and involving Taylor. According to the Times' lengthy front-page report, those behaviors went well beyond what Butler describes in his opening paragraph.
A (female) judge had reviewed the evidence of such behaviors. Rightly or wrongly, she had authorized the dangerous late-night raid.
(Rukmini Callimachi, in the Times: Judge Mary Shaw "said she had 'asked needed questions of the officer, reviewed the affidavits prepared for each warrant and subsequently made the probable-cause determination required of me by law.' ”)
Reviewing, the officers had been sent to Taylor's apartment by their superiors. They went there armed with a search warrant which authorized them to break into the apartment in the middle of the night.
That strikes us as a very dangerous type of law enforcement. That said, we'll guess that gang members breaking into apartments won't generally be so equipped.
Does it make any sense when Butler performs his weird conflation? Rather plainly, it seems to us that it doesn't. Along the way, other questions arise:
Should Judge Shaw be charged with homicide for approving the raid? Should the three officers' superiors also be charged with this crime?
Butler doesn't bother readers with such obvious points. For several decades, our failing liberal/mainstream tribe has been conducting its business this way as our floundering nation has slid toward the sea.
We'll admit it! We wonder why the Washington Post would put such work in print. We wonder why a person like Butler would compose such peculiar musings.
We're puzzled until we look around and notice an obvious fact. As has long been the norm on cable TV, no one else is making sense within our failing tribe:
The first essay we read this morning was a piece by Somil Trivedi at Slate.
According to Slate, Trivedi "is a senior staff attorney at the ACLU's Criminal Law Reform Project." Inevitably, he's also described as "a former federal prosecutor." Isn't everyone these days?
Moving beyond the timid Butler, Trivedi seems to think that the officer should be charged with murder. As his essay begins, his rationale runs like this:
TRIVEDI (9/24/20): Americans have just completed another round of one of our grimmest national rituals: shaking our heads while cops who killed an unarmed Black person get away with murder. This time the victim is Breonna Taylor, whose name has galvanized nationwide protests for racial justice, but whose family will receive no justice themselves. Yesterday, Kentucky Attorney General Daniel Cameron announced a single charge from the grand jury against only one of the three officers involved in her shooting, and even that was for shooting a wall, not Breonna Taylor. The other two will walk. And a community that has already waited six months for closure will just keep waiting.
Many are rightly pointing out that these cops should not avoid charges based on self-defense when they created the danger in the first place. Accordingly, whether the grand jury result makes sense under the criminal law will be hotly debated in the coming days...
Interesting! According to Trivedi, the officers shouldn't avoid being charged, presumably for murder, because "they created the danger in the first place." Trivedi says that "many" people are "rightly pointing [this] out."
We wanted to see how those arguments go, and so we foolishly clicked the link Trivedi and Slate provided. It took to a perfectly sensible essay by Jane Coaston, a "senior politics reporter" at Vox.
Coaston has no apparent legal background. More to the point, her essay appeared in August 2019.
For that reason, Coaston's essay makes zero reference to the Taylor case, which arose in March of this year. Further stating the obvious, Coaston doesn't "point out that these cops should not avoid charges based on self-defense when they created the danger in the first place."
Indeed, it's a stretch to claim that Coaston engages in any such general claim at all. Her essay isn't anything like the way it's advertised.
In other words, Trivedi and Slate have provided a classic "link to nowhere." This is the kind of insulting behavior which now prevails at disintegrating sites like Slate.
Trivedi's piece was the first thing we read this morning. After that, we read this piece by Brooke Leigh Howard at The Daily Beast.
Inevitably, we found Howard making a standard bollixed claim:
HOWARD (9/23/20): The unjust death of Breonna Taylor was already exhausting. Louisville police officers entered her apartment on a “no-knock” warrant, without announcing themselves according to the accounts of many ear witnesses. Taylor’s boyfriend defended the home by shooting at the intruders, the cops shot back, and Taylor was fatally shot while lying in her own bed defenseless. On top of it all, the person the police were seeking didn’t even live in the apartment and had actually already been arrested on the other side of town. It took six months, waves of protests, celebrity outrage, and a national outcry before a grand jury was even convened.
Sad, but thoroughly typical. As everyone knows, the police weren't seeking some other person when they raided Taylor's apartment that night—some person who had "already been arrested on the other side of town."
More specifically, they weren't seeking Jamarcus Glover, Taylor's long-time (apparently) former boyfriend, with whom she'd engaged, or had at least seemed to engage, in a fair amount of suspicion-arousing behavior over the course of several years.
Callimachi ran through the list of such behaviors in her lengthy front-page report in the August 31 New York Times. As liberals, we aren't hearing about those behaviors because the twin processes of sanitization and cartoonization are currently underway in discussions of this matter.
At any rate, the Louisville police didn't enter Taylor's apartment "seeking" Glover that night. And the fact that Glover had already been arrested in a companion raid doesn't help us assess the wisdom of the raid on Taylor's apartment.
A bit like Tucker Carlson before her, Howard seems to have little sense of the basic facts of this case. That said, knowledge of facts is rarely required where Tribal Script serves as god.
After being amazed by Butler, we read this column by Melanye Price in this morning's New York Times. Professor Price, "a political scientist," also thinks the officers should have been indicted, apparently on a charge of "killing."
In other words, Price doesn't bother naming the specific crime with which the officers should be charged. She doesn't offer any rationale for the claim that they committed a crime at all.
Her column was published anyway, in print editions of the Times. This is the way our tribe works.
Are we humans up to the task of self-government? Within our self-impressed liberal tribe, are we up to the task of creating anything resembling a rational discourse?
These questions are especially salient now. They're especially salient as Donald's Trump's craziness threatens the national interest in deeply disturbing ways.
Are we liberals up to the task in any way at all? Top anthropologists constantly tell us that the answer is no. Weeping is heard inside their caves as they deliver this verdict, and as they say that our limbic brains will lead us to think that their assessment is wrong.
Kafka was able to see himself—to see his very body parts—as being non-"human." Anthropologists despondently tell us that Kafka had a very good strong solid basic point.
At any rate, Butler is making zero sense at the Washington Post today. In fairness, the same is true of everyone else as we slide down a dangerous path.
We still hope to mention, perhaps tomorrow: Zero awareness of How Trump Got There.
Also, the commissar spoke.
"he's one of the roughly three million such former officials who swarmed over MSNBC in recent years, assuring us that Robert Mueller was going to take Trump down and that the Southern District of New York is stocked with the greatest crime-fighters in the history of the whole world."
ReplyDeleteDoes this mean that Butler himself said these things or does it mean that Butler is merely a former prosecutor who has appeared on MSNBC and similar venues?
If Butler did make these predictions, why doesn't Somerby say that directly, instead of trying to tar Butler by association, putting words into his mouth that he perhaps never said?
Is this merely careless writing on Somerby's part or is it the kind of guilt by association that was typical of McCarthyism -- he once went to a party along with men who were later found to be communists, so he must be a communist too.
Butler is responsible for his own views, not those of other former prosecutors. Worse, we cannot trust Somerby to tell us what this man said, apart from his blaming of the entire cadre of former prosecutors.
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"three police officers (with backup) were sent to conduct such a raid that night."
ReplyDeleteIsn't "three police officers with backup" more than three police officers? Were the backup not actually police officers? Who is performing backup for cops if not other cops? Why does Somerby wish to minimize the number of officers who performed that raid?
anon 11:08 - is this what you are concerned with about TDH's post, this back up thing? It seems to me the he raises a valid point, that this former assistant federal prosecutor says something idiotic, and that there is a cult-like process now going on to fit everything into this script, truth or objectivity be damned.
DeleteSomerby always insists that others get the details right. He should do the same.
Delete"Somerby always insists that others get the details right."
DeleteYes, because it's their fucki*g job as journalists.
And Somerby writes a blog. He too has a responsibility to get things right.
DeleteAnd then there is that "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" thing.
"Almost surely, Butler is a good, decent person."
ReplyDeleteYeah, sure. And 100% goebbelsian dembot, parroting liberal-hitlerian talking points.
At this point, the only goebbelsian smear not yet used by your hitlerian cult, dear Bob, is the blood libel. But I'm sure it's coming, sometime in October.
Mao, you go over the edge with this Hitlerean (and Goebbelsian) stuff. You seem to like it, but it's lunatic stuff, and makes you seem to be a lunatic.
DeleteDear dembot, your liberal cult's race theories and rhetoric are wholly hitlerian, without a doubt.
DeleteI'm not taking credit for 'hitlerian'; I got from Matt Taibbi's piece on White Fragility. If you have a problem with it, take it up with Matt Taibbi. Good luck.
Who is being smeared by the Demobotic, Goebelssian, Hitlerites? I am confused about that.
DeleteYou're a bit slow, aren't you? Police officers, in this case.
DeleteI am a bit slow, so bear with me...how are they being smeared? By claims that they shot a young woman and no drugs were found in her apartment?
DeleteBy equating police officers doing their job with gang members bursting into someone's apartment.
DeleteBut of course that's just a corollary of your cult's hitlerian rhetoric, corresponding to your cult's hitlerian race theories: "white supremacy", "white privilege", "whiteness"; all this hate-mongering hitlerian shit.
What is so complicated here?
Fuck the police. That's what they get for smearing protesters as private equity fund managers (i.e. looters).
Delete"which had been approved by a (female) judge"
ReplyDeleteWhat difference does it make whether the judge who approved the no-knock warrant was male or female? This is an odd insertion of gender into a situation where it is irrelevant. But Somerby thought it was necessary to make this insertion. Later, he talks about whether the judge should be criticized. Does female gender add weight to that criticism, in Somerby's mind?
Somerby is once again showing himself to be a sexist asshole.
Trivedi said: "Many are rightly pointing out that these cops should not avoid charges based on self-defense when they created the danger in the first place. Accordingly, whether the grand jury result makes sense under the criminal law will be hotly debated in the coming days...
ReplyDeleteSomerby said: "Interesting! According to Trivedi, the officers shouldn't avoid being charged, presumably for murder, because "they created the danger in the first place." Trivedi says that "many" people are "rightly pointing [this] out."
Trivedi says that the cops shouldn't be permitted to plead self-defense, not that they shouldn't avoid being tried for murder.
This is obvious from the quote, but Somerby gets it wrong and then blames liberals for his own mistaken reading of that quote.
Somerby is just phoning it in these days. He is so eager to hang BLM protesters and those who support them that he misreads and then misquotes what is being said and then attributes that misreading to "liberals."
Lots of dirty pool today. And he never does tell us what Butler himself said -- just what a bunch of others, supposedly just like Butler said -- hoping to impeach Butler with other people's mistakes. That how a propagandist works, but it isn't any kind of argument against whatever Butler wrote. (Butler and all of the NY Times articles are behind paywalls and I refuse to pay good money just to check whether Somerby is accurately summarizing anyone.)
If Biden is elected and we get meaningful police reform, perhaps all these former prosecutors won't have to interpret police behavior in news reports because fewer black people will be shot in late night raids, while in bed or watching TV. Note that no one found drugs in Breonna Taylor's apt. Note also that she worked as an EMT. How does a woman like Taylor become the focus of so much police activity?
“They had a search warrant authorizing them to conduct a no-knock raid”
ReplyDeleteA search warrant doesn’t authorize reckless or illegal behavior, like killing an innocent bystander.
Somerby’s argument against Butler seems to be that the police and the judge were acting according to the accepted rules: gathering evidence, requesting a search warrant, getting a search warrant, busting down a door, firing weapons (supposedly in self defense), killing innocent bystanders. Thus, the police officers on the scene shouldn’t be charged with any crime, such as manslaughter.
ReplyDeleteBut, as I said earlier, a search warrant doesn’t excuse any and all behavior. If it can be determined that the cops erred in causing the death of Ms Taylor, why would you not charge them?
Butler is saying that he feels the police on the scene acted incorrectly and should be charged with a crime. That doesn’t strike me as a crazy idea.
If Somerby wants the discussion to extend to problems with the search warrant process, then he should make that explicit. I would imagine that most judges rather automatically grant search warrants, deferring to the police, assuming their reasoning and their evidence is accurate and compelling. If the cops in this case fabricated or manipulated evidence, that’s on them.
But their behavior on the scene is also in them.
Somerby is absolutely right: comparing their actions to gang members bursting into an apartment is insane. Gang members would have been committing a felony, which makes any death resulting from that a felony murder. The cops had a valid warrant, as misguided as it might have been. I don't know if it's possible to determine whether they had acted improperly. They claim that they had announced themselves before bursting in. Walker claims that they had not. It's possible that they hadn't; it's possible that he didn't hear them; it's possible that the duration of time was so short as not to allow a person to process this information.
DeleteOverall, such raids are problematic. Anyone could shout "open up, police!". So, interactions resulting from a valid warrant need to be re-thought thoroughly.
Butler isn’t making an exact analogy. He is saying that the shooting of an innocent bystander is potentially an offense, whether the police do it or a gang does it.
DeleteThe search warrant gives the police the right to be there, but it does not give them carte blanche to commit potentially reckless or illegal acts.
The reason for declining to prosecute was that the cops were supposedly acting in self-defense, not that they had a right to randomly shoot an innocent bystander by virtue of a search warrant.
It is clear from the 911 call that the cops had not announced themselves.
DeleteSomerby's point is that they were just following orders. Where have we heard that defense before?
Meanwhile a cop purposefully ran over the head of a protestor yesterday.
Cops are no better than a gang of thugs.
No knock means you don't announce yourselves.
DeleteSomeone mentioned earlier that it was clear from the 911 call.
DeleteIf the cops hadn't announced themselves, the Louisville prosecutor in the grand jury case wouldn't have led his announcement about the case by mentioning the one person who in one of their many, many interviews thought they might have heard the cops announce themselves.
DeleteI listen to Matt Taibbi all the time, Mao, and I have yet to hear anything close to your characterization. Do you have a specific quote from him that you can cite?
ReplyDeletehttps://www.google.com/search?q=Matt+Taibbi+hitlerian
DeleteTaibbi is a clown, still pissed that he did all that reporting about corporate crime years ago, and Mao's Establishment buddies spent more $$ keeping it out of the media.
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