SOCIOPATHY AND ITS DISCONTENTS: Lawrence O'Donnell plays a card!

FRIDAY, OCTOBER 9, 2020

Our human race all the way down: For our money, Susan Page didn't do a very good job moderating Wednesday's debate.

That shouldn't be all that surprising. It's hard to moderate a presidential or vice presidential debate, especially at a time like this. 

Meanwhile, Page has always been a print journalist. She isn't experienced at the difficult task of conducting a real-time discussion with several competing players.

Page was cast in an unfamiliar role. That said, we don't think she did a real great job:

For starters, it didn't really make sense to divide the 90-minute session into nine different ten-minute segments. If a topic is worth discussing at all, there's little chance that it can be discussed, by two warring candidates, in the space of ten minutes.

(The debate commission agreed to that framework. That makes them a bit clueless too.) 

Beyond that, we'd have to say that some of Page's segment-launching questions weren't well chosen. Below, you see the question with which she started her second ten-minute segment: 

After directing this question to Pence, she posed the same question to Harris:

PAGE (10/7/20): Vice President Pence, there’ve been a lot of repercussions from this pandemic. In recent days, the President’s diagnosis of COVID-19 has underscored the importance of the job that you hold and that you are seeking. That’s our second [ten-minute] topic tonight. It’s the role of the Vice President. 

One of you will make history on January 20th. You will be the Vice President to the oldest President the United States has ever had. Donald Trump will be 74 years old on inauguration day. Joe Biden will be 78 years old. That already has raised concerns among some voters, concerns that have been sharpened by President Trump’s hospitalization in recent days. 

Vice President Pence, have you had a conversation or reached an agreement with President Trump about safeguards or procedures when it comes to the issue of presidential disability? And if not, do you think you should? You have two minutes without interruption.

No one was ever going to answer that question. Indeed, neither Pence nor Harris did.

In their non-response responses, neither candidate said a single word which responded to that question. You can confirm that statement by reviewing the transcript of the debate.

Neither candidate said a single word in direct response to that question. For her part, Page completely ignored their refusal to answer, just as she'd done when Pence refused to respond to her first basic question—a question to which Harris had responded in the most minimal way possible.

Page was an inexperienced moderator; we thought her inexperience showed. Then too, there's the haplessness, and perhaps the dishonesty, of the upper-end press corps in general. 

Consider a post-debate debate which quickly broke out. The question at issue was this:

Did Candidate Pence get to speak more than Candidate Harris did? Last night, Lawrence O'Donnell started his "cable news" TV show by making that very claim:

O'DONNELL (10/8/20): Once again, a debate moderator lost control of the debate last night and allowed Mike Pence to interrupt and get more speaking time than Kamala Harris. Caroline Randall Williams will discuss how and why that happened at the end of this hour tonight.

Exciting! Lawrence repeated the claim throughout his TV show. It formed the basis of his closing segment—a segment which featured additional claims which struck us as deeply unfortunate but also as deeply  instructive.

Let's start at the beginning. Was Lawrence's statement accurate? Did Pence get more speaking time more than Harris?

At least three different news orgs tried to answer that question. This is what they reported:

Speaking time for Pence and Harris:

CNN: Pence spoke for 36 minutes and 27 seconds; Harris spoke for 36 minutes and 24 seconds.

CBS News: Pence 38 minutes; Harris 35 minutes

USA Today: Harris 34:05; Pence 33:09

Out of that Rashomon, Lawrence emerged. He emerged with a storyline his viewers wanted to hear. 

He stated his tribally pleasing claim at the start of his TV program. He made no attempt to quantify his tribally pleasing assertion. 

He attached no numbers to his statement; he cited no source for his claim. And good God! At the start of his final segment, he offered this racialized amplification:

O'DONNELL: As I said last night during our debate coverage, were if not for Donald Trump, Mike Pence would be the rudest debater we have seen on the debate stage. 

Karen Attiah, global opinions editor at the Washington Post, writes: 

"The way Susan Page more aggressively tried to limit Harris’s time was all too familiar in how white women can also be complicit in silencing black women. 

"Harris pushed back at both Page and Pence, and tenaciously fought to make her case for a Biden presidency. Harris made walking that tightrope look easy. But I wish black women didn’t have to work so hard. I yearn for an America where non-white women don’t have to battle for the bare minimum: to be allowed to speak."

At the end of his previous segment, Lawrence had played tape from Wednesday's debate while offering this assertion:

"The moderator gave more speaking time to Mike Pence." 

Now, it wasn't just that Harris got cheated by the moderator. Now, this was just another example of what "white" women do!

At this point, Lawrence even dared to say Page's name, hiding behind Attiah's skirts in order to do so. After quoting Attiah this way, he introduced his guest:

O'DONNELL (continuing directly): Joining us now is Caroline Randall Williams. She is a writer in residence at Vanderbilt University...

Thank you for joining us tonight. As I was watching this last night, and as I was watching the dynamic playing out on stage with two people interrupting Kamala Harris and making sure that Mike Pence got more speaking time, I just kept wondering, "What does Caroline think about what we're watching here?"

No one kisses (carefully-selected) keister quite the way Lawrence does. With that, he introduced Williams, a 33-year-old "author, poet and academic best known for the 2015 cookbook Soul Food Love, co-written with her mother, the author Alice Randall, and published by Random House."

Williams is a youngish poet. She's also writer in residence at a highly regarded major university.  

She's also, rather plainly, Lawrence's latest amorata. (There's nothing wrong with that, until such time as there is.)

Williams' lack of experience as a political analyst matches Page's lack of experience as a debate moderator. That doesn't mean that her observations last night were wrong. 

If you want to see what she proceeded to say, you can just click here. (MSNBC no longer produces transcripts of its TV shows.)

Concerning Lawrence, we'll offer this:

He'd now said that Page joined forces with Pence, "making sure that Mike Pence got more speaking times" than Harris.

That's an astonishing accusation. But as you can see, the plot succeeded. CNN toted it up:

Speaking time as result of Page-Pence conspiracy:

Pence: 36 minutes and 27 seconds

Harris: 36 minutes and 24 seconds

Where does Candidate Harris go to get her three seconds back? (Or whatever it actually was. There was no sign that Lawrence had any idea how long the two candidates spoke.)

By now, Lawrence had gone out of his way to frame this as a racial offense. He'd advanced the idea that this was just the sort of thing that "white" women commonly do.

In our view, this was amazingly ugly stuff. Much more to the point, it was spectacularly stupid, assuming that any part of this performance was actually done in good faith.

That said, Lawrence has played these games for a very long time. In our view, it's ugly, stupid stuff.

Given our nation's brutal racial history, there's no way to avoid the manifestations Lawrence ran with last night. Benighted ancestors willed us this. Cable stars move it along.

Concerning Attiah, we'll only say this:

At the ripe old age of 34, she's held a high position at the Washington Post for years. We have no idea what her competence may be in the realm of global affairs. She may be highly capable, though almost no one is.

On topics like the current topic, she has been relentlessly awful within the last year—and her awfulness helps establish several points:

Attiah and Williams are, at best, extremely mediocre political analysts. At 34 and 33, one holds a high position at the Washington Post. The other holds a cushy spot at a top university, and is now constantly featured on an MSNBC "cable news" TV show.

Their mediocrity, joined to their status, helps establish several points. 

For one thing, it's hard to say that black women "have to battle for the bare minimum: to be allowed to speak" when these two writers are afforded prominent ways to offer deeply aggressive, unfounded claims about a person like Page.

This is the sort of stupid shit Donald J. Trump performs. Just for the record, cable is full of youngish black women being asked to do the same sorts of things.

A second obvious point is suggested by an episode like this:

People who are socially defined as "black" can be just as incompetent as the "white" people they've begun to replace at long last. They can even be as incompetent as the slightly disordered "white" TV stars who promote their claims on the air.

Lawrence's conduct was a disgrace. That said, he's been like this for decades now. By way of quick background:

Lawrence became a fiery feminist when fiery feminism became cool. He said nothing—nothing at all—during the long, destructive years when colleagues within NBC cable were sliming Hillary Clinton (and other liberal women) in overtly misogynistic ways.

Lawrence kept his pretty trap shut during those long, destructive years. Those awful years, and the silence of climbers like Lawrence, ended up putting Trump where he is.

Now, Lawrence preens and postures. He aggressively kisses Rachel's keister each night, thus perhaps extending his own career. He's even willing to pretend that he believes what he offered last night.

Williams seems like a very nice person. Last night, her performance struck as thought-free and irresponsible.

Lawrence is something else again. To wit:

It isn't clear that Candidate Harris spoke less than Pence at all. If she did, the difference in speaking time doesn't seem to have been vast—not that Lawrence showed any sign of having tried to figure this matter out.

That said, the notion that Page engaged in a plot comes to us from Trump-On-Steroids Land.  The claim that her conduct was racially motivated—well. how low can a corporate hack go?

Lawrence has been like this for a very long time. Because he's old and set in his ways, the conduct will never stop.

In the end, though, this is human behavior. It's natural to the "white" and the "black," and to everyone else.

Because the players are all human, their behavior is tribal all the way down. It has nothing to so with "rational" assessment. Forget all the stuff you've been told! 

It defines the long, steady "journalistic" decline which ended with  Trump where he is. People like Lawrence and Brian and Chris have been selling you bullshit for decades. At one time, they worked for Jack Welch!

Last night, a certain corporate "cable news" star was pushing a claim his viewers were certain to love. His behavior was ugly and stupid and dumb. 

His performance was human, all too human. It was Trumpian all the way down!

For extra credit only: Does anyone on the planet think that Susan Page is going to vote for Trump and Pence?

Go ahead! You have permission You deserve a good laugh!


25 comments:

  1. So many pixels, just to confirm that O'Donnell is a dembot, dear Bob?

    No one has ever mistaken him for anything else, dear Bob.

    Boring.

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  2. Since most media people oppose Trump, it was inevitable that the media would choose moderators who oppose Trump. I wish the debates could be held between the two candidate, without media people framing the questions. However, the debates are a big media bonanza. The media are not going to give up control of the debates.

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    1. An unbiased viewer of the debates wouldn't already have their mind made up that the media is out to get his candidate. He would listen to the responses of both candidates and evaluate their answers, not obsess over whether the questions were fair. A skilled debater can reframe even hostile questions to their own advantage, but cannot do much if the moderator refuses (or is unable) to hold the other candidate to the same time limits as are imposed on her.

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    2. "Since most media people oppose Trump, it was inevitable that the media would choose moderators who oppose Trump."

      Hmmm. Right-wingers playing the victim. That almost never happens all the time.

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  3. Somerby chooses the CNN speaking times because they fit his narrative best -- that Lawrence O'Donnell was reciting from a script about speaking times.

    How much speaking time each candidate got depends on how you measure that time. If you measure from moderator question to question, it will seem more equal. If you include the time that Pence kept talking over the moderator's request to stop, then Pence will have more time. If you include the interruptions made by Pence, then Pence will have more time. If you ignore the interruptions and end Pence's time when the moderator breaks in, then the times will seem equal. It depends on how you treat the times when both people are speaking. Is the time when Pence interrupts and talks over Harris considered speaking time for Harris? If you count only the time when Harris or Pence is speaking alone, with interruption, then it may seem more equal again, but Pence kept talking for close to a minute at the end of each of his segments while the moderator vainly tried to stop him.

    From CNN's figures, it seems impossible that they were including those times in the count. But Somerby includes no description of how time was counted for any of the three widely different results, so we don't have any idea how they did it.

    I watched the debate and I saw Pence interrupt Harris frequently (which shouldn't count as Harris speaking time) and I saw the moderator talk over Pence to try to get him to stop talking (which should have been included in his talking time).

    Pence clearly had more talking time and was disruptive to Harris's attempts to state her case when it was her turn to talk. This is the consensus of most women watching the debate. How would this opinion be formed if there were equal talking times between the two candidates? It could not be. But Somerby goes on, blithely advancing his theory that this is all in our imagination, using CNN's numbers because they fit that theory, without conducting any real analysis of who talked more.

    If you were a social scientist studying pragmatics of debate, you would first define what you mean by talking time. I would consider it any time a candidate had his or her mouth open with discernible speech sounds being emitted. I would then assign three separate people to watch the debate, one for each candidate and one for the moderator, with a stop watch and click on whenever speech sounds were present and off when that person was not speaking. The observers should ignore content of speech entirely. If you wanted to do this even better, assign an extra person to the moderator, one to count speech directed at Pence and one to count speech directed at Harris. For reliability, you should have multiple coders counting in this manner, and calculate accuracy by comparing how close their counts are.

    Then compare the times. It won't tell you anything about how either candidate used their time, but it will tell you who got more time, which is the question being raised.

    But Somerby seems to think that when women all over the country watch a debate and a large majority come to the same conclusion about a difference in time, they are all making it up to conform to a preferred narrative, and there is no real difference when men interrupt women, just women's oversensitivity and tendency to complain about made up stuff. Talk about misogyny.

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  4. "Does anyone on the planet think that Susan Page is going to vote for Trump and Pence?"

    Does anyone think that any woman is going to vote for Trump and Pence? Even women who voted for him in 2016, who are abandoning him in droves?

    Highly unlikely, which is why Trump's numbers have been worse every time a poll is taken.

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    1. Some journalists do not vote at all, to maintain their impartiality. Page could be one of them.

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  5. Why is today's essay called "Sociopathy and its Discontents" when it is not about Trump or any other sociopath? Is Somerby now trying to convince us that O'Donnell is a sociopath, or the women he discusses? Is he trying to call the media a bunch of sociopaths?

    Sociopath is a term that can become meaningless if you overuse it to refer to anyone you dislike, as Somerby seems to be doing.

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  6. Somerby tried to offer something of substance recently on Trump's tax avoidance, but embarrassingly face planted; it has been drivel ever since.

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  7. Here is a different take on the VP debate, from a better media critic than Somerby will ever be (Rude Pundit):

    "Harris had many chances for a kill moment, where the voice in her prosecutor's head must have been crying out, "Finish him!" She didn't because she didn't need to. No one was going to watch a man who looks like a diseased mummy speaking lies with forced sincerity and think, "Oh, he convinced me to vote for that orange trash can who yells at us all the time." Biden has the lead. She just needed to maintain, which she did, and demonstrate that she could be president, which she far exceeded the bar on.

    And let's not forget, as several women of color said on CNN and elsewhere, the double burden of her sex and her race meant that she'd be judged completely differently if she got her rage on with Pence. She could have easily ripped him to shreds, torn off his arms and beat him to death with him. Instead, her jabs of "I'm speaking" came across like a woman who was talking for all the women who are fucking sick and tired of men like Mike Pence, who see themselves as naturally ordained by God and/or their penis to wield power over women. She simply wasn't putting up with his shit, and she was saying that she shouldn't have to."

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  18. You know when someone says to you… “It will be worth the wait.? Dr Aziba came through for me after 8years of not being able to get Pregnant, I’ve been lonely, depressed and confused because watching everyone get pregnant around you & feeling tossed aside. It’s a struggle to get out of bed, a struggle to try and be happy, on a faithful day i was reading an articles about pregnancy and courses of barrenness i came across a testimony of a woman talking about Dr Aziba on how she got pregnant after using Dr Aziba herbal medicine, so i contacted him and explained my problem to him he gave me some warm advise on what to do and prepared herbal medicine which was sent to me. as i use i began to notice some things leaving my body and today I’m here with my baby BOY writing this out to y’all who can relate to this i urge you to contact Dr Aziba and i believe God will use him to wipe away your tears do not give up Dr Aziba Medicine can still do wonders, i will write out his contacts for those who still believes and trust in GOD. Contact Him Via (WhatsApp) +2348100368288 Or (Email) PRIESTAZIBASOLUTIONCENTER@GMAIL.COM God bless y’all

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  19. I want to thank Dr Emu a very powerful spell caster who help me to bring my husband back to me, few month ago i have a serious problem with my husband, to the extend that he left the house, and he started dating another woman and he stayed with the woman, i tried all i can to bring him back, but all my effort was useless until the day my friend came to my house and i told her every thing that had happened between me and my husband, then she told me of a powerful spell caster who help her when she was in the same problem I then contact Dr Emu and told him every thing and he told me not to worry my self again that my husband will come back to me after he has cast a spell on him, i thought it was a joke, after he had finish casting the spell, he told me that he had just finish casting the spell, to my greatest surprise within 48 hours, my husband really came back begging me to forgive him, if you need his help you can contact him with via email: Emutemple@gmail.com or add him up on his whatsapp +2347012841542 is willing to help any body that need his help.

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  20. Email Dr Sambo for a real love spell: divinespellhome@gmail.com 
    contact him on his  whatsapp mobile line +2348145810121 You can also visit his website http://drsambo443.website2.me/
    Hello viewers, I living in South Africa , I am very happy to share this amazing testimony, I was hurt and heart broken when my husband left me with our two children, I was confused and didn't know what to do, I loved him so much, I tried all I could to bring him back but to no avail, on one faithfully day as I was coming from work I met a friend of mine whom I explain my problem to, and she told me of a spell caster called "Dr Sambo" whom also make her pregnant when she was looking for a child, I contacted the spell caster through the email she gave to me, and the spell caster told me what to do and I did exactly as I was told,  to my grates surprise, my husband who has not called me for a very long time, called me and start apologizing for all the wrongs he did to me, and now  he loved me more than ever before, brothers and sisters if you are passing through any kind problem contact him and i give you 100% guarantee that he will solve your problems. this is his contacts divinespellhome@gmail.com whatsapp mobile line +2348145810121

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