FRIDAY, MARCH 15, 2024
As always, blue leaders ignored them: It's as we noted yesterday. Midway through his State of the Union address, President Biden described his stance regarding the southern border.
He went all the way back to Day One. This is what he said:
PRESIDENT BIDEN (3/7/24): Unlike my predecessor, on my first day in office I introduced a comprehensive plan to fix our immigration system, secure the border, and provide a pathway to citizenship for Dreamers and so much more.
Because unlike my predecessor, I know who we are as Americans...
Actually, that was pretty much all the president said about his initial policies and proposals concerning the southern border. He went on to call for the passage of this year's proposed border bill.
Roughly an hour later, the president was met with some strenuous pushback from Senator Katie Britt. Citing his first hundred days in office, she offered this assessment:
BRITT (3/7/24): President Biden inherited the most secure border of all time. But minutes after taking office, he suspended all deportations, halted construction of the border wall, and announced a plan to give amnesty to millions.
We know that President Biden didn’t just create this border crisis. He invited it with 94 executive actions in his first 100 days.
[...]
From fentanyl poisonings to horrific murders, there are empty chairs tonight at kitchen tables just like this one because of President Biden’s senseless border policies.
Just think about Laken Riley...She was brutally murdered by one of the millions of illegal border crossers President Biden chose to release into our homeland.
Britt was giving the official Republican response to the president's address. In her account, President Biden had issued 94 executive actions with respect to the border in his first hundred days.
She said he created the "border crisis" through the "senseless policies" embedded in those executive actions. She said that people had lost their lives.
Rightly or wrongly, she even named Laken Riley.
Stating the obvious, Senator Britt was lodging a deeply severe set of accusations. Along the way, she also recounted an anecdote about sexual trafficking with respect to the border—an anecdote which turned out to be grossly misleading with respect to the most basic facts.
Something else happened that night during the president's speech. As is becoming a bit of a norm, President Biden was interrupted—was heckled—midway through his address.
The interruption came from the usual suspect. According to the AP's transcript of the evening's live remarks, these are the words which were spoken:
PRESIDENT BIDEN: I’m told my predecessor called members of Congress in the Senate to demand they block the [proposed border] bill. He feels political win—he viewed it as a—it would be a political win for me and a political loser for him.
It’s not about him. It’s not about me. I’d be a winner—not really. I—
REP. MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE: What about Laken Riley?
(Crosstalk.)
AUDIENCE: Booo—
REP. GREENE: Say her name!
PRESIDENT BIDEN: (The President holds up a pin reading “Say Her Name, Laken Riley.”) Lanken—Lanken (Laken) Riley, an innocent young woman who was killed.
REP. GREENE: By an illegal!
THE PRESIDENT: By an illegal. That’s right. But how many of thousands of people are being killed by legals?
(Crosstalk.)
To her parents, I say: My heart goes out to you. Having lost children myself, I understand.
At that point, Biden went on to describe some of the contents of the proposed border bill, moving beyond the contents of his prepared text.
But there you see the interruption—the heckling directed at Biden. Like Senator Britt's grossly misleading anecdote, the interruption—the heckling by Greene—launched a thousand ships.
As we've noted, Senator Britt doubled down on her misleading anecdote on Fox News Sunday last weekend. Offered a chance to disown the gross misdirection she had authored, the young solon refused to relent.
According to the Washington Post, Britt's office took the same approach just last night in response to further questions. This is the way the game now tends to be played within our deeply destructive Red Nation / Blue Nation divide.
Senator Britt has now tripled down on her grossly misleading anecdote! This is the way the game is played as a political war continues to grow.
That said, there was another predictable reaction to Senator Britt's accusations concerning Biden's border policies:
Blue tribe pundits completely ignored the senator's claims concerning those border policies. Blue tribe pundits walked away from the merits, or the lack of same, inhabiting Britt's critique.
Instead, blue tribe pundits lambasted Britt for her misleading anecdote. Also, they scolded President Biden for his impromptu use of an inappropriate word.
At this point, we'll repeat what we said at the start of the week. For ourselves, we wouldn't use "illegal" as a noun, the way the president did.
We wouldn't refer to someone as "an illegal," as is the norm on Fox. We also aren't inclined to regard that point of language as more important than the actual facts concerning Britt's accusations—accusations which are made on a daily basis on Fox.
We aren't inclined to regard that point of language as more important than the actual life-and-death facts concerning the southern border. Inevitably, that is what our blue tribe punditry instantly did.
Progressive thought leaders pummeled Biden for having used that word. Did anyone address the claim that Biden's first three years of border policy had led to fentanyl poisonings and horrific murders?
Essentially, no one did. Here's what happened instead:
In the wake of his address, the president appeared on Jonathan Capehart's little-watched weekend program on MSNBC.
During Capehart's interview, the president was instantly asked about his use of that word. The president said he should have said "undocumented" instead.
The president said he regretted using that word. Inevitably, that's where any discussion of the border ended.
A few days later, Paul Krugman's column emerged. The column appeared in Tuesday's print editions under this headline:
Sex Trafficking, De Facto Lies and Immigration
In his column, Krugman focused on Senator Brit's grossly misleading anecdote. We don't disagree with what he said about that.
With perfect justice, he pummeled Britt for her misleading anecdote. At the same time, he paid exactly zero attention to the claims Britt had made about the effects of Biden's border policies over the past three years.
Along the way, he offered an extremely weak refutation of a claim we've seen no one make. But so it has gone, within our pair of warring nations, within (let's say) the past year.
Red tribe observers constantly talk about the crisis at the border—a crisis they say the president's policies caused.
They talk about fentanyl deaths. They talk about the dangers of letting unvetted people into the country en masse, as has become the norm.
They talk about human sex trafficking, including the trafficking of children. They talk about the number of apprehensions which have involved people on terrorist watch lists—and they wonder how many such "got-aways" may have occurred under current arrangement.
They relate the murder of Laken Riley—and other similar violent crimes—to the alleged chaos at the border under the president's policies. Our blue tribe pundit corps has responded in the following way:
On the whole, they've responded by pretending that the border doesn't exist. So it has gone as our two nations agree to a journalistic arrangement built upon "segregation by viewpoint:"
On Fox, the border is discussed around the clock. The events of January 6 are almost completely disappeared.
On MSNBC, the southern border barely exists. Instead, we're fed constant legal minutia, with dreams of criminal convictions dancing in our heads.
Two groups of pundits behave in such ways, and never the twain shall meet. On each channel, no one is asked to consider the possibility that the other group might actually be right about something, if only in some tiny way.
Blue tribe viewers see police being beaten on January 6. Red tribe viewers never see any such tape. Instead, they see tape of people streaming across the border. Blue viewers are shielded from that.
Eventually, northern Democratic pols began to say that the immigration situation had become unsustainable. Only then did blue pundits and pols move to address a situation which may cost us the White House this year.
We don't mean to single Krugman out. His column reflects the general way the blue world reacted to last Thursday night's events.
Blue pundits hammered Senator Britt for her act of misdirection. Progressives also challenged Biden for his use of that word.
Speaking with the reliable Capehart, he said he regretted the use of that word. Our tribe then returned to its usual fare.
Endless clowning continues on Fox from people like Gutfeld and Watters. But when they focus on the border, can anyone swear that they're wrong?
There's a great deal more which ought to be said about these red and blue tribal reactions. Most simply put, artificial segregation by viewpoint is a good way to gear up for a dangerous war.
There's a great deal more which ought to be said. We can promise you this:
If you stopped a thousand liberals on the street, no more than three could tell you what President Biden's original policies were. Only a handful could tell you what's been proposed in that new border bill.
We certainly couldn't do those things! Instead, our blue tribe lives in splendid isolation—and they're living the same way over on Fox. This is good for ratings, profits and salaries—at their channel but also at ours.
The woods are lovely, dark and deep. President Biden may win re-election this year—or then again, he may not!
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DeleteGod has died, though that was a number of years ago.
DeleteGod is dead. But I don't know if "god has died".
DeleteAleksandr Shirvindt died today. Now, he was a real comedian. R.I.P.
DeleteReligiosity has been on a declining trend for the last few hundred years.
DeleteSocieties that have declining religiosity tend to be healthier and happier societies.
God is dying.
Satan is well and prospering.
DeleteSatan is not real, the number of people that engage with such a silly notion like satan is on the decline.
DeleteIdeas like god and satan serve right wing intentions, otherwise they are goofy characters to inappropriately scare children.
Satan is my best friend.
DeleteYour actual best friend is offended.
DeleteThere are whole sections in the two major newspapers devoted solely to immigration:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/
https://www.nytimes.com/news-event/immigration-us
What is Somerby talking about, claiming it’s never discussed by the blue tribe? On the other hand, he’s only discovered the issue recently.
Bob typically says MSNBC viewers never hear about immigration, today he says it “barely exists” on the channel. Neither claim is remotely true, but he has become slightly more honest on the subject.
DeleteOne can google “Jose Diaz Balart border security” and find video after video of him discussing the border on his MSNBC show. He also does reports on NBC news.
ReplyDeleteThis isn’t hard.
“letting unvetted people into the country en masse, as has become the norm. “
ReplyDeleteIs this Somerby trying to show how Fox and Britt and the GOP “might actually be right about something?”
He makes no argument, merely an assertion.
Welcome to TDH, unfortunately you state the circumstance of this blog well.
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ReplyDelete"Only a handful could tell you what's been proposed in that new border bill. "
To give $100 billion more of taxpayers' money to a certain Ukrainian comedian?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbmZrzN3WFE
Better a democracy supporting comedian than a Jack booted autocrat like Putin who has a way of offing his critics.
DeleteWhy aren't you in the trenches, DNC bot? The democracy supporting comedian needs you there.
DeleteFunny that supporting Ukraine and denouncing Putin gets you labeled a DNC bot.
Delete1:10 Why?
DeleteIsn't russophobia the most cherished Democrat value these days?
Delete1:10: Because there are plenty of republicans who also support aid to Ukraine and who recognize the dangers of Putin. In fact, Johnson is signaling he may allow a vote.
DeleteMy comment was directed to 1:49.
Delete1:53 That doesn't make sense. The Durham report showed there was FBI intelligence saying the Clinton campaign planned to vilify Trump by tying him to Vladimir Putin as early as July 2016.
Delete2:02: stick with the topic, which was aid to Ukraine.
DeleteOh - go sign up for the Ukraine Army then. They have so few soldiers they are conscripting 40 year olds.
DeleteI am over 40. Ukraine is willing to shoulder the fighting using its own citizens. They do ask for our financial and military assistance, and I am willing to allow my tax dollars to help them.
DeleteDNC trolls pay taxes? Surprising.
DeleteWhat kind of asshole would hate paying taxes in the USA?
Delete2:02 your claim is false, made worse since you have been repeatedly corrected on this here.
DeleteWhat you are referring to is intelligence saying that Russia intended to push propaganda saying that Clinton planned to vilify Trump due to his connections to Putin.
In reality, Clinton attacking Trump for buddying up with Putin is not only legitimate, but also it in no way contradicts that, aside from Trump's influence, Republicans generally and historically support Ukraine and are critical of Putin/Russia.
You are ignorant on this subject so your comments are irrelevant, but we provide edification free of charge.
2:12 No, Zenlensky is asking for Americans to come over and fight. (The ones dumb enough not to see through this MIC boondoggle):
Delete"Anyone who wants to join the defense of Ukraine, Europe and the world can come and fight side by side with the Ukrainians," Zelensky said, days after Moscow's troops crossed over into Ukraine."
You should do it since you're so passionate about it.
https://tinyurl.com/8e83k9f7
This is the relevant passage from the Durham Report:
Delete"The Office also considered as part of its investigation the government's handling of
certain intelligence that it received during the summer of 2016. That intelligence concerned the
purported "approval by Hillary Clinton on July 26, 2016 of a proposal from one of her foreign
policy advisors to vilify Donald Trump by stirring up a scandal claiming interference by the
Russian security services."
Would you like more?
There are many Americans who support Ukraine, Democrats and Republicans. We don’t all need to go over and fight. Noting that Putin offs his critics and is engaged in an unwarranted war of aggression in Ukraine are also not examples of “Russophobia.” Just facts.
DeleteWe are now mixing two different topics. The original comment concerned aid to Ukraine.
Delete"There are many Americans who support Ukraine"
DeleteI've read somewhere recently, the number is 600 or so. With about half of them already dead. Their political inclinations weren't specified.
Why aren't you among of them, in the trenches?
The most practical thing we can do is lend Ukraine financial and military assistance.
DeleteYou and the mouse inside your pocket? No, the most practical thing both of you can do is getting into the trenches. Right now.
DeleteI would be of little help. I am not young, am untrained militarily, abd have family obligations. I do believe US aid helps Ukraine significantly. But thanks for your suggestions about what I could do.
Delete2:41 in response to your smug question, and exposing your complete ignorance on the subject:
DeleteHere is the relevant passage from the highly biased Republican Durham "report", a complete nothingburger:
"the evidence we collected...did not yield evidence sufficient to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that any FBI or CIA officials intentionally furthered a Clinton campaign plan to frame or falsely accuse Trump of improper ties to Russia.”
Here is a quote from an article explaining how misguided your claim is:
"Durham became enamored of an intelligence analysis by the Russian government from 2016 which had made it into American hands. The Russians assessed, per then-CIA Director John Brennan’s summarized notes, that Hillary Clinton had approved a plan to “vilify Donald Trump by stirring up a scandal claiming interference by Russian security services.” However, the US intelligence community did not know whether this Russian assessment was accurate."
The intelligence that Hillary Clinton was trying to stir up a scandal to vilify Trump was in fact "intelligence" generated by Russia with no evidence to back it up and sourced from dubious entities.
SO IN FACT YOU ARE WRONG, AS HAS BEEN EXPLAINED TO YOU MANY TIMES.
There was no "Clinton Plan", it was in fact "intelligence" planted by Russia. Supposedly you got duped, but more likely you are arguing in bad faith.
Your comment is both ignorant and irrelevant.
I have other priorities.
Delete@3:30 PM "I would be of little help. I am not young, am untrained militarily"
DeleteYour excuses are pathetic. All you need is one finger, to pull the trigger.
4:23: why don’t you stop trying to tell me what to do? How about that?
DeleteThe "Clinton Plan" is documented from top to bottom. There's no disputing Hillary Clinton approved a plan to “vilify Donald Trump by stirring up a scandal claiming interference by Russian security services.”
DeleteHer campaign manager admitted it.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/20/politics/hillary-clinton-robby-mook-fbi/index.html
The entire plan is documented and with emails from all the players and even the invoices of how the lawyers billed for their participation in the execution of the plan she approved to "vilify Donald Trump by stirring up a scandal claiming interference by Russian security services.”
Generated by Russia?
No evidence to back it up and sourced from dubious entities?
Bullshit. You don't know what you are talking about. Do you think Mook is Putin's puppet?
You don't even seem to understand what this means. Do you think that is a statement the plan didn't exist?:
Delete"the evidence we collected...did not yield evidence sufficient to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that any FBI or CIA officials intentionally furthered a Clinton campaign plan to frame or falsely accuse Trump of improper ties to Russia.”
@5:30 PM
DeleteI'll stop, as soon as you stop advocating sending my money to a bunch of corrupt clowns on the other side of the world.
Well, I get to argue for that, (and there is quite a bit of support for my position), and you get to argue against it. I believe Putin should not be allowed to invade and destroy Ukraine. Perhaps you could refrain from belittling the Ukrainians.
Delete@5:42 PM
DeleteIf you believe "Putin should not be allowed to invade and destroy Ukraine" (the statement I find totally idiotic), then go buy a ticket and join some neo-nazi regiment there. That's entirely your personal business.
But your insistence on involving the US into it and sending them my money makes it my business.
I just said, 5:52, that you are allowed to oppose aid to Ukraine, especially if you are a US taxpayer. Can you read? Why must you troll this issue?
DeleteBy the way, you could also go to Iraq and look for WMDs there. And to Vietnam, to stop the communist expansion. Also to Latin America, to join the Contras and what-not.
DeleteI don't mind it at all. As long as they're your personal endeavors.
5:57: I did not support those things. But I do support aid to Ukraine. Had I been alive, I would have supported FDR’s lend lease act to help Britain resist the Nazis. Sometimes, the government does the right thing with my money.
DeleteI'm not trolling anything. I'm saying exactly the same thing I was saying to your neocon ilk 20 years ago. Only this time it's far more dangerous.
DeleteYou don't "support" anything, you're just running your mouth. Once again: go there, to the trenches. Once you're in the trenches, you're supporting.
DeleteOr at least send the clown your personal money.
Delete“ Only this time it's far more dangerous.”
DeleteSo just allow Putin to do whatever he wants? And yes, apparently Sweden and Finland agree about the dangers.
See 5:52 PM
DeleteAlso, what Putin wants is to stop NATO expansion. Yes, I think it needs to stop. Should've never happened, after Gorbi was promised that it will not happen.
It’s amazing, isn’t it, 6:17, that Putin’s actions have brought about the very thing he least wanted, expansion of NATO. If you invade other countries, and threaten others, you shouldn’t be surprised that there is pushback.
DeleteYou sound like an idiot 6:29 PM. Or a DNC troll.
DeleteNATO expansion in the 90s and 2000s wasn't a pushback against anything. Just a violation of earlier assurances. So was inviting Ukraine into NATO. Russia's ("Putin's" in your lingo) actions are a pushback to that. So, Sweden and Finland are a pushback to the Russian pushback. There will be a Russian pushback in response to the Sweden-Finland pushback. If the escalations (pushbacks) don't stop, there will be a nuclear war. It's that simple. And you appear to be happy about pushbacks. You're an idiot, clinical.
6:42 Your comment is spot on and well taken.
DeleteAfter all the ad hominem, emotionally charged bad faith comments from 6:42 et al, I’m done trying to have a conversation about this.
DeleteWeirdo Mao calls anyone he disagrees with a Dembot. Meanwhile he robotically repeats all of the pro-Russia talking points that you'll hear from the likes of his lover Fucker Carlson.
DeleteJust pause, and really think about the absurdity of some of Mao's arguments. Even if we grant that "NATO expansion" is the real reason for Putin's invasion (which is debatable), what exactly does that mean? "NATO expansion" in the case of Ukraine boils down to a sovereign country (Ukraine) making its own decisions about who it forms pacts with. And of course the whole point of NATO is defensive, not aggressive: the essential agreement is if one member IS ATTACKED (not if it attacks), then all members will come to its defense. Mao thinks Ukraine's mere membership (or even just its request for membership) in such an alliance justifies the mass murder of its civilians, the total destruction of entire Ukrainian cities, the torture of Ukrainians trying to defend their homeland against an invading force, the kidnapping and "reeducating" of Ukrainian children, etc., etc. Of course, maybe we shouldn't be surprised that Mao's brain has been eaten alive by propaganda; after all, he thinks "2000 Mules" shows that the 2020 election was stolen.
Delete"a sovereign country (Ukraine) making its own decisions"
DeleteYou have gotta be kidding, DNC bot.
Just as "sovereign and making its own decisions" as South Vietnam circa 1960s and Afghanistan in 2002-2020.
DeleteMike/Idiot:
DeleteRussia opposes NATO enlargement to Ukraine because it would put the U.S. military on 2,300 kms of the border they share with Ukraine at a time when many US politicians advocate “Decolonizing Russia.”
It was recently revealed C.I.A. has built 12 secret spy bases along the Russian border over the past eight years. Obviously they are going to see NATO expansion as an existential threat and respond. They have said this for the last 30 years.
You're probably too much of an idiot to even understand any of this though. Dumb shit asshole.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.html?searchResultPosition=1
"secret spy bases"!!!! Bwahahaha, thanks for the laughs, Boris. What the fuck does Putin the Punk have to be worried about?
DeleteWeirdo Mao (i.e., PutinBot) apparently thinks the following two things:
Delete1. Ukraine shouldn't be allowed to decide whether it joins NATO. That should be Putin's decision.
2. If Ukraine does so, or expresses that it wishes to do so, then Russia is justified in literally mass murdering Ukrainians, kidnapping its children, etc.
Just apply this logic to whatever country you happen live in. I doubt Weirdo Mao is a U.S. citizen, but for the sake of argument let's imagine that he is. Now imagine the U.S. being told by, say, China that it can't join some NATO-like alliance. And then when the U.S. requests to join anyway, China invades the U.S. and begins systematically slaughtering its citizens wiping cities off the map. Weirdo Mao would apparently take China's side, even while his neighborhood is blown up and his family is murdered. Weirdo Mao gets weirder by the day.
@DNC bot
DeleteI guess your tribe's Saint John Fitzgerald Kennedy was an American Putin for getting ready to start a nuclear war when Cuba decided to join a NATO-like alliance.
How horribly weird of him.
"NATO-like alliance" - bwahahaha, Boris!!!
DeleteThe Soviet Union was installing nuclear missiles 90 miles off the coast of Florida, you fucking donkey.
"Secret spy bases"! is a direct quote from the New York Times article. Something you would know if you were not illiterate.
DeleteMike L/Utter Dumbshit:
DeleteThis is the analogy son: Imagine if China was advocating "decolonizing America", imagine they were in a NATO-like alliance and they were the strongest member. Imagine Mexico decides to join that alliance and does, allowing China to install their military on the border of Mexico. By your logic, the United States would just have to sit there and watch them do it. Because Mexico's a sovereign country that makes its own decisions! And the US can't do anything about it, right?
Son, you're a dumb shit. You're a boy. You haven't thought this through. You're wrong.
"Secret spy bases"
DeleteYes. But what the state-run media (like the New York Times) publishes these days is what the state tells them to publish. If they had to publicly admit secret spy bases, that means that in reality it's much worse than that.
Anyway, all this is perfectly obvious. Vietnam, Latin America, Middle East (ongoing), Afghanistan, Iraq, and now Ukraine. Millions of dead in the last 60 years; 10 million maybe. But this time, it's a war on the territory of a state with thousands of nuclear ballistic missiles. This ends, quite likely, with all of us dead.
Weirdo Mao, Kennedy didn't start mass murdering Cubans. If he had, I guess you'd be all for it?
DeleteRegarding the China analogy, that doesn't sound like our Weirdo Mao. That sounds more like Cicero or maybe our resident white supremacist. Are my spidey sense on target? Anyway, hey small dick, let's try to keep it civil, huh? Just so we're clear, you're saying if Mexico joins a truly NATO-like alliance, then you'd be fine with the mass murder of Mexicans? Got it.
Delete"Weirdo Mao, Kennedy didn't start mass murdering Cubans."
What's that all about, DNC bot? Are you already in your word-salad mode?
5:30 to be frank, you are full of shit.
DeleteThe “intelligence” was from Russia, as I documented, which you ignore.
Furthermore, it is incorrect that Mook admitted to the phony “Clinton Plan”, apparently you did not bother to read your own link. In fact what Mook claimed is that campaign affiliates passed on info to the FBI about Trump and a bank in Russia, and when they later, after the fact, relayed that to Hillary, she said she agreed with that action. Duh, when given such info, the duty is to report it to the authorities.
This was actually adjudicated, and the campaign affiliate was found innocent, ie he acted accordingly.
There was no “Clinton Plan”, the “intelligence” was planted by Russia, you are an ignorant fool trying to con people.
"after the fact, relayed that to Hillary, she said she agreed with that action"
DeleteSo, to call it “Clinton Plan”, you'd only be satisfied if Clinton had come up with all the technical details, is that it?
There was no plan, it was a phony story planted by Russia, this is well documented.
DeleteWhat Hillary agreed with was passing on suspicious behavior to the authorities, this is the appropriate response.
Either you got conned or you are trying to con others.
It's a matter of judgement. In my judgement, the appropriate response is to tell your henchmen to stop ratfucking. Or at least to avoid involving state intelligence services into their ratfucking ops.
DeleteYour judgement is wrong. The Trump admin tried to prosecute the campaign, it was fought in court, and the verdict was not guilty.
DeleteThere was no ratfucking, some campaign affiliates were given information about a potential crime, and they passed it on to the authorities. To do otherwise would be unethical and immoral.
You trying to twist this into a false narrative is also unethical and immoral.
That your moral compass has failed you is readily apparent.
DeleteIn my judgement, my judgement is fine.
Clinton ratfucking ops involving state intelligence services are beyond the pale. I'm sure most people agree. DNC bots are, of course, a different story.
Your judgement is demonstrably false.
DeleteClinging to a falsehood while embarrassingly losing an argument, you’ve become the Black Knight of the comments section.
Btw, nobody agrees with your nonsense, other than MAGA morons stroking their Putin puppet hero, Trump.
DeleteSorry, but no, you won't convince me that Clinton's ratfucking ops involving state intelligence services were okay.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
You can call it the "Clinton Campaign Plan" if you want. If it's a phony story planted by Russia that is well documented - please share a link that shows the documentation. It wasn't illegal. I'm not saying that it was illegal. It's just interesting they got caught doing it and you can read all their emails planning it, executing it all the way down to having their lawyers bring it to the media. You can read the emails between the journalists the Clinton Campaign convinced to disseminate the story and their lawyers. You can see the whole thing from top to bottom. No one is saying it was illegal. It's just really interesting. It was unethical and sleazy. It's just interesting seeing how the sausage gets made ... for some of us who don't have our entire identities wrapped up in a goddamn political party. ;)
DeleteMike - I'm saying that if Mexico were to include themselves in an alliance with China that would put the Chinese military on our border and if China had politicians talking about a plan to "decolonize America", we would not allow it. And yes, if it escalated, we would kill the shit out of as many people as we needed to prevent it.
DeleteIn a 2016 federal court testimony, Hillary Clinton's former campaign manager, Robby Mook, revealed that Clinton personally approved the campaign's decision to share information with the press about an unverified server connection between Donald Trump and Russia's Alfa Bank.
DeleteThat was a the "Clinton Plan". To swiftboat Trump through the press with false allegations tying Trump to Russia.
It's not that big a deal. It's hardball politics. They just got caught doing it that's all. And that's interesting to see how these sleazy political machinations really work and how a lot of media participates in these unethical plans.
Yep, I got it. As I said, according to you:
Delete1. Ukraine shouldn't be allowed to decide whether it joins NATO. That should be Putin's decision.
2. If Ukraine does so, or expresses that it wishes to do so, then Russia is justified in literally mass murdering Ukrainians, kidnapping its children, taking over its country, etc.
I bet you'd think differently if Putin did that to your family and country because your country wanted to join NATO.
By the way, our analogies with China, etc., are absurd anyway. They treat the U.S., Russia, and China as if they are all on the same moral footing. But of course they're not. Russia is a murderous, amoral dictatorship, which murders journalists, brutally oppresses its people, imprisons and/or kills anyone who starts to gain too much of a political following, doesn't tolerate a free press, has done everything it can to undermine free society at least since WWII, etc., etc. It is precisely because of Russia's long history as a bad actor and the threat it poses to Europe that NATO even exists and its membership continues to grow. And its invasion of Ukraine is just the latest in a series of imperialist land grabs by military force. So to compare NATO troops in Ukraine to Chinese troops in Mexico is just silly. It completely ignores all historical context.
...but I hasten to add that even IF Mexico made some alliance with China and Chinese troops ended up on our border (however non-analogous that might be to the situation in Ukraine), it would still be a heinous moral wrong and war crime for us to start mass murdering Mexican civilians
DeleteHi Mike,
DeleteAn explanation of a geopolitical stance is not a moral approval of specific actions. Like your earlier response, this grossly misrepresents what I said. I never addressed who "should" make the decision to join NATO but only described Russia's decades long opposition to NATO enlargement and its geopolitical consequences. I don't deny Ukraine's right to make alliances.
I didn't claim or imply Russia is "justified in literally mass murdering Ukrainians, kidnapping its children, taking over its country, etc." because Ukraine wants to join NATO. This is another gross exaggeration. Mentioning Russia's well known opposition to NATO's enlargement can't be interpreted as justifying any specific actions, let alone mass murder or kidnapping.
My analogy was not meant to establish a moral equivalence between Russia, the U.S., and China, but rather to illustrate how a country might react to foreign military presence near its borders, regardless of the moral standing of the countries involved. I could adjust it to acknowledge the moral context you mention and nothing would change. Regardless of the moral comparisons, countries react defensively when facing strategic encroachments by potential adversaries.
I'm sorry to see you don't understand the complexity of these issues and have significantly distorted my argument.
As we speak, you and I as citizens responsible for our leadership are supporting exactly such a heinous moral wrong involving mass civilian death that you describe. So it's not like it couldn't happen.
DeleteYeah. After the atomic bombings, napalm, My Lai, 1973 Chile, Nicaragua, Guatemala, El Salvador, Abu Ghraib, Fallujah, Gaza, etc., it might centuries to get to anything like a moral equivalence.
DeleteYou and Mao (assuming I'm talking to two people) most certainly ARE being apologists for Putin's invasion. No one would go on and on in a debate like this and say essentially that Putin is just defending his country the same as any other country would do, if you DIDN'T think Putin was justified in doing what he's doing. In fact, Mao has even GLOATED in various comments in recent months over the prospect of Ukraine losing their battle against the invaders. Which is not only psychopathic (no surprise there, considering we're talking Weirdo Mao), but it's in direct contradiction to his implied moral judgement about supposedly equivalent actions by the U.S. ("atomic bombings," etc.). He rails against any hint of (supposed) imperialistic domination of other countries by the U.S., and yet in a clear case of such action by Russia, suddenly he's rooting for the imperialist invader.
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DeleteSounds like you believe that you caught some imaginary character living inside your head on some imaginary inconsistency. Fantastic. Thank you for your contribution.
Mike,
DeleteHi. I hope you are having a good Sunday. It's common for people who have trouble understanding complex issues to reduce nuanced positions to binary choices. You've provided us with an example of this unfortunate tendency today. Either I believe Putin is entirely justified in his actions, or I wouldn't be arguing his point at all. You're ignoring a range of possible and interesting positions between those two extremes. I would prefer if you focused on the argument presented, rather than inferring an underlying agenda through a simplistic, schoolboy narrative.
Have a great rest of the weekend!
Conceptually, I don't think it's all that complex though. Western ruling class is trying to maintain and extend its hegemony. Others resist, including a good chunk of the Western proles, who get screwed by it (hence, maga). Politics, geopolitics. In one form or another it's been going on forever.
DeleteYes. The political dynamics that Mike reframes into black-and-white terms are typical throughout history ... as are attempts to stifle a productive discussion of such issues by framing them as binary choices.
DeleteI don't get the "productive" part. We have no influence. We're observers. That's all we are; that's all we can be. But I vaguely remember that perhaps we already had this conversation once.
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DeleteCurrent head of the CIA, Bill Burns in 2005:
Delete"Ukrainian entry into NATO is the brightest of all redlines
for the Russian elite (not just Putin). In more than two and
a half years of conversations with key Russian players . . .
I have yet to find anyone who views Ukraine in NATO as
anything other than a direct challenge to Russian interests."
Ohh wow. Ok, then by all means let the genocide begin.
DeleteFormer Secretary of Defense William Perry In
Deletea 2017 interview:
"In the last few years, most of the blame can be pointed at
the actions that Putin has taken. But in the early years I
have to say that the United States deserves much of the
blame. Our first action that really set us off in a bad direction
was when NATO started to expand, bringing in eastern European
nations, some of them bordering Russia."
Mike - thank you for using a nym..
DeleteA mere threat of denazification sends Mike L into a hissy fit. That seems to be the only explanation of the "genocide" comment.
DeleteSomerby suggests a rift in American media and political conversations, where each faction emphasizes stories that reinforce their perspectives. Furthermore, notice Somerby implies this rift overlooks wider, more intricate truths and hinders a thorough comprehension on vital topics such as immigration policy, border security, and their societal impacts. Apparently, Somerby wants us to believe this divided atmosphere prioritizes political victories over meaningful discussion and problem-solving.
ReplyDeleteSomerby is an ass.
You think you’re clever, don’t you? I would challenge you to explain how this so called thorough comprehension is supposed to happen. For example, I see plenty of substantive discussions of the border in blue tribe media, some of which challenges red tribe lies and obfuscations. But how will the red tribe hear this? Hmm?
DeleteOne fundamental issue is the lack of critical thinking and media literacy among the general public. Because Somerby doesn't read his comments, he doesn't realize how pervasive this problem is for the troll that dominates his comments. Educating people on how to critically evaluate sources, understand biases (including their own), and think logically about arguments presented to them can help individuals recognize when they're being presented with a one-sided narrative.
DeleteMy guess is that Somerby thinks people need to recognize their role in perpetuating division by choosing only to engage with information that confirms their biases.
You do not get information that confirms your biases if you read the New York Times and Washington post. In fact, there is much there that questions those so called biases, particularly if you consider yourself a liberal.
DeleteSomerby today says "This is the way the game now tends to be played", yet he himself has documented how this is how the game has been played for decades.
DeleteHe says the blue tribe should be listening to the red tribe's points on the border issue, yet there is no evidence to suggest this is not already occurring, and furthermore Somerby has debunked the red tribe's main points on the border issue here at his own blog.
The blue tribe bent over backwards accommodating the red tribe's nonsense views on the border by agreeing to pass fairly regressive policies. (Trump put a stop to that since it worried his chances of getting elected, and thus his chance to avoid responsibility for his corrupt and illegal activities.)
Somerby walks on by this fact, whistling dixie if you will, and continues his poorly reasoned themes, dispensing with any need to substantiate his own points.
It is not a coherent argument to say to people fighting against oppression "hey, y'all should give credence to the oppressors, after all they might appreciate it and feel less emotional about being confronted on their harmful behavior".
“ We certainly couldn't do those things!”
ReplyDeleteApparently, they/he are/is too lazy to google the bill, and the dozens of reports about it. That’s the thing. The internet allows average citizens to learn things. They aren’t at the mercy of a presenter on TV who fails to give a dissertation on the contents of the bill. I would add that few right wingers likely know the contents of the bill either. But that didn’t stop them from denouncing it.
“President Biden may win re-election this year—or then again, he may not!”
ReplyDeleteBrilliant insight.
I meant to say “Brilliant insight!”
DeleteYour comment is spot on and well taken.
DeleteWhen Biden himself is talking about border issues and agreed to sign a bipartisan bill, it hardly shows that the blue tribe is ignoring the border.
ReplyDeleteExactly.
DeleteThe American political establishment are cowardly bullies.
ReplyDeleteCrime is not surging because of immigration.
Do you know what's surging?
Almost the entire US government including President Biden is looking the other way while the US commits genocide in Afghanistan and Gaza.
Biden is a coward and a white supremacist who already said he is okay with women and children being killed in war by Israel. He's making a big production how he is offended by Netanyahu but not stopping the genocide.
Quote:
Biden “said he would go even further than Israel, adding that he’d forcefully fend off anyone who sought to invade his country, even if that meant killing women or children.”
https://theintercept.com/2021/04/27/biden-israeli-invasion-lebanon/
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trumps-claims-migrant-crime-wave-are-not-supported-national-data-rcna140896
Biden also hasn't said a word about the assassination of Boeing whistleblower John Barnett.
Delete2:16,
DeleteSo the "America First" crowd has absolutely no reason to not vote for Biden.
Now, who should be the one to to tell them?
David in Cal just got very turned on.
Delete2:18: assassination?
Delete2:16: the US is committing genocide in Afghanistan?
DeleteCrime is down, and as Somerby points out, the immigrant crime rate is vastly lower than the crime rate of native born Americans.
DeleteThe US is not doing as much as it should in stopping Israel's genocide in Gaza. (Granted, none of us have any idea about behind the scene negotiations or adjacent issues having to be considered.)
The quote from Biden is misleading, it is something he said over 40 years ago in a private meeting with the PM of Israel, obviously not intended to be taken literally but meant to show how solid his/the US support was for Israel, back when circumstances were different than today.
Biden is terrible on many issues (particularly from my leftist perspective), however, he is governing as our most progressive president essentially since FDR, and probably the best president we have had in most of our lifetimes.
I will be happily voting for Biden, if for no other reason than to prevent a corrupt and fascistic person from becoming president. Leftists have almost zero representation in corporate media and politics, choosing harm reduction/lesser evil is our only moral choice under the current circumstances.
If Biden's thinking on Israel changed in the last 40 years, then he would be trying to stop the war.
DeleteThe realpolitik strategy of the last few years was best articulated by the Obama administration:
“The countries that cooperate with us get at least a free pass,” acknowledged a senior U.S. official who specializes in Africa but spoke on condition of anonymity to avoid retribution. “Whereas other countries that don’t cooperate, we ream them as best we can.”
There is already a rich history of colonialism starving people, such as the US killing buffalo to hurt Native Americans, and the 1943 Bengal Famine. There is also a history of the US policy elite studying starvation as a tactic:
"Benign neglect by the United States since Spring 2003 has brought Afghanistan back to the brink of state failure. Washington has shortchanged Afghanistan in both personnel and resources."
"NATO’s military approaches, particularly in hard-line insurgent areas, have been criticized for not allowing recovery initiatives to reach parts held or otherwise influenced by the Taliban. "
https://www.pbs.org/buffalowar/buffalo.html
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/29/winston-churchill-policies-contributed-to-1943-bengal-famine-study
https://archive.org/details/UnderstandingTheTalibanAndInsurgencyInAfghanistan/page/n13/mode/2up?q=benign
https://www.thecairoreview.com/essays/what-went-wrong/
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/funding-crisis-cuts-off-food-aid-to-millions-as-acute-hunger-surges-worldwide-un-says
https://theintercept.com/2015/09/13/two-short-paragraphs-summarize-us-approach-human-rights-advocacy/
Why would he try to stop the war? He opposes Hamas. He also believes that Israel has a right to defend itself, but that their tactics have been a mistake.
DeleteAnd despite all that, he is working towards a cease fire.
DeleteHere's a video of AIPAC lobbyists tearing up photographs of starving Palestinian children while they laugh:
Deletehttps://www.instagram.com/middleeasteye/reel/C4ddxJLPie5/
Delete"If Biden's thinking on Israel changed in the last 40 years, then he would be trying to stop the war."
Your outrage is misdirected. Biden is just a elderly gentlemen, paraded occasionally in front of cameras. Read Eisenhower's farewell address or something.
The slaughter of Gaza is a public relations issue for Biden, not a humanitarian issue. He even went on TV and said lies about Palestinians.
DeleteThe US has been blocking ceasefire resolutions at the UN against the majority of the world, and Nancy Pelosi herself said the word ceasefire is traitorous.
Why would someone with the entire power of the government at their command, the entire power of the US military, be humble enough to think about brown people dying in another part of the world? They use the word "benign neglect" for a reason.
If Biden wanted to stop war, then he wouldn't have gone full Trump mode on the Arabs and said that the Muslisms are beheading babies.
Deletehttps://theintercept.com/2023/12/14/israel-biden-beheaded-babies-false/
DeleteNot just the slaughter of Gaza. Sponsoring and maintaining Zionist entity in Palestine has been a huge reputational problem for the US. Just like racial segregation in the South was a huge reputational issue for the US in the 1950s.
Eventually, sooner or later, it'll have to be dealt with.
We do not know what Biden is doing behind the scenes or the concerns he is having to balance, but outwardly we should all be disturbed by what Israel is doing.
DeleteA significant issue with the hand wringing over Biden's public takes on this issue is that it accomplishes little more than enhancing the chances that Trump will get reelected, in which case the suffering of Palestinians will only increase.
anon 3:45, didn't Hamas go on its slaughtering rampage fully expecting this type of harsh, inhumane backlash? Also, if Hamas got it's wa, what would be the result?
Delete"...enhancing the chances that Trump will get reelected..."
DeleteI don't remember any US-facilitated genocides during Mr. Trump's first presidential term.
Even moderately conservative Israelis consider the settlers who build provocatively near Gaza to be insane. The Palestinian leadership did not wage a war on every Jew they could find, they specifically attacked colonial settlers in one country who are basically zealots. They would tell you where to find Dracula and Bigfoot if you put a news camera in their face, and that's basically what they did to the New York Times to facilitate the war. They exaggerated the attack Hamas made to ensure the Israeli government saw them doing their part to set off the feedback violence.
DeleteThe US media sensationalism about the war in Gaza mirrors the war in Iraq. There were outrageous claims, a huge slaughter, and then some debate about how to end it.
If Gaza had a functioning state you could argue Israel deserved to enact some kind of tit-for-tat attack on Hamas. But they are basically an open-air prison controlled by Israel, all their economy and politics are corrupted by outside control and aid networks. Their retaliation however brutal falls under the responsibility of the people provoking them to defend their own lost territory.
It's time to stop pretending every American president has wrestled deeply with this issue. They tweak the Israeli lending and aid policy now and again when they're personally insulted, but it never amounts to a full on depreciation of client status for Israel. They get their protection at the UN and from the military establishment.
Trump openly endorses the genocide in Gaza.
DeleteUnder Trump, America experienced more American deaths at the hands of enemies than under Biden, and there were more international civilian deaths as a direct result of Trump's actions.
Trump was incompetent in handling the Covid pandemic, causing hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths.
Trump was friendly with our enemies and the top authoritarian despots in the world - including Netanyahu, so there was little need for them to engage in military actions as they were able to accomplish their goals regardless. This demonstrates one of Trump's negative impact on the world.
It was a militant wing of Hamas that attacked Israel, a wing that is not supported by the majority of Palestinians, but is supported by Netanyahu and his buddies in Russia and Qatar.
A key concept in reasonably understanding the conflict is the term "asymmetry". If you do not understand that, than you are ignorant of the subject.
If the Palestinians got their way, they would not be subjected to Israel's oppressive apartheid.
4:43 PM
DeleteYou think nobody noticed you carefully removing any mention of sitting US power in your comment? You're just whitewashing the genocide so Biden can look good in an election year.
5:00 no, I was correcting the moron who was inaccurately defending Trump.
DeleteThe US has enabled Israel's apartheid for decades.
Attacking Biden, under the circumstances, is just making things worse for Palestinians, apparently in an effort to merely justify your own emotional feelings about your views - views which I mostly share. This is morally repugnant, but more power to you.
DeleteThe unfortunate DNC trolls here are paid to spread the TDS disease. Nevertheless, the fact remains: there was no US-facilitated genocides during Mr. Trump's first presidential term.
I’m still waiting for my check. I’m sure the DNC puts a high priority on “trolling Bob Summersby, er, Somerby’s blog.”
DeleteThe DNC does not pay me. Iran pays me, through Russia.
DeleteWe know everything. Russia pays you, via Iran and Qatar.
DeleteEither Biden has a massive change of heart on Palestine or he will go down in history as supporting and facilitating a genocide. America might be closing their eyes to this, but that is what his actions are doing.
DeleteQatar is innocent.
DeleteIf you don't know how to fight back against the genocide, you have options:
Delete- study the history of Palestinian dispossession so you don't fall for Israeli propaganda
- support anti-militarist journalism that corrects lies that lead to further wars
- directly lobby your politicians to stop the genocide and the occupation
- fight for campaign finance reform to weaken AIPAC
Are any of these going to magically happen if Trump loses an election? No they won't. Nobody is coming to save you. You are the only person who can save you.
America has to stop letting AIPAC bully it into submission. The National Rifle Association doesn't even speak for all gun owners, but we're supposed to believe that AIPAC speaks for all Jews? They're an extremist anti-refugee, anti-democracy organization.
DeleteEveryone who says it's election year ritual to ignore Palestinians is just giving a massive win to AIPAC.
DeleteI remember when Ilhan Omar (D) criticized AIPAC and was attacked as an antisemite by the GOP.
DeleteAIPAC is bad, but Trump is worse. You are on a fool’s errand.
DeleteWow, worse than AIPAC, eh? So, how bad is AIPAC, on the scale of 1 to 10?
DeleteBob may have a fair point in saying Dems have not adequately responded to Britt’s claims about Biden and immigration, lost as they are in fuming about her creepy and disgusting false story. But it is telling that he himself displays no interest in their accuracy.
ReplyDeleteIt seems less like a fair point and more a point without substance; in balance the way the Dems have responded to Britt has accomplished a diminishment of her political potency, such as it was - hardly worth bothering with Somerby's drivel.
Deleteampm 3:58 - Britt made various claims. TDH asserts that the "blue" media has only focused on her stupid story about the abuse of the Mexican woman. I haven't seen anything where there is a "blue" response to Britt's claim about all the measures Biden took that allegedly loosen the border. Like anon 3:58, I'm interested in hearing about the accuracy of britt's claims (an objective explanation).
DeleteBritt's gallop gish of claims were so embellished, it is not reasonably required to respond to all her nonsense; however, it is easy enough to Google.
DeleteFor example, here it details how many executive orders Biden signed in his first 100 days (60) and how many were related to immigration (12):
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/president-joe-biden-first-100-days/h_1259dccf2fdbbd960b3dab8595f5c1e8
The main ones being to reverse Trump's dehumanizing policies such as to separate children from their parents.
Here's an example of corporate media covering Britt's nonsense, aside from her demagoguery:
https://www.politifact.com/article/2024/mar/08/fact-checking-katie-britts-immigration-claims/
Somerby does not make a fair point.
You probably meant Gish gallop, but point taken.
DeleteImbecile: what is "telling" about it?
Delete5:18: watch it. Your meds are starting to wear off.
Deleteanon 5:00 thanks for your response. Politics goes by jungle rules, but if your characterization is correct, and I have no reason to believe otherwise. then I would disagree - dems should loudly and often refute her claims about there being so many executive orders. You cite a fact check in Politico - how many people would have seen that? I read the Boston Globe pretty thoroughly every day and they certainly totally ignored that part of Britt's speech. I disagree that because her claims were so embellished (really whoppers by your account), they just can be ignored. Unless they are refuted, they'll be believed. I also disagree with your claim that TDH's point is not fair. seems pretty fair to me, based on what I just said. I understand that there is so much garbage thrown out there, there are too many holes in the dike to effectively address them all.
DeleteAC, how will the red tribe see refutations of Britt’s claims? They don’t read “blue” media.
Deleteanon 5:18, I'd add that most of the "blue" reaction seems to relate to Biden's grave faux pas that people who cross the border without legal documents are "illegals', violating a major taboo. It's risible to most people.
DeleteAnd you’ve surveyed most of the “blue” reaction, AC?
DeleteAC I think you don’t have a good grasp of electoral politics. One major goal behind someone like Britt throwing out a bunch of misleading claims, is to clog up the discourse and muddy the waters. Clarity does not come from correcting every single lunatic claim. Politifact has greater readership than the Boston Globe.
DeleteBlue pols negotiated with Red pols and wrote a bill in a rare exercise of bipartisanship. At the last minute, Team Red walked away pretending they knew nothing at all about it.
ReplyDeleteNow which side is ignoring the border?
What's more, Britt's "strenuous" claims are batshit insane. She avers that Biden "invited" the border crisis? That's a giant step beyond claiming that he should have predicted what would happen in the months and years ahead. It implies that the current crisis is exactly what was planned. This is Replacement Theory in a flimsy disguise.
DeleteWhat's more, Somerby claims new data shows Democrats' longtime advantage with Black, Latino and Asian American voters has shrunk to a 60 year low but the fact Hillary Clinton's campaign manager admitted she approved a plan to “vilify Donald Trump by stirring up a false story about ;Trump’s ties to Russia'” in 2016 had less to do with it than Democrats talking to Latinos like "like farmworkers or the undocumented. Even though that's less than 95% of us" or Democrats lying by pretending a "rare" bipartisanship border bill didn't include $66.32 billion for a war in Ukraine which Black, Latino and Asian American voters seem to think is not actually on our border.
Deletehttps://www.axios.com/2023/06/22/latino-drift-democrats-poll
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/20/politics/hillary-clinton-robby-mook-fbi/index.html
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-senate-unveils-118-billion-bipartisan-bill-tighten-border-security-aid-2024-02-04/ .
Democrats: the party of aging whites. No wonder they are so excited about Joe Biden.
Delete3:17, fuck off, Putin ass kisser, nobody was pretending anything. It was all out in the open and was the demand placed by house republicans who then got their orders from orange abomination to kill the bill.
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DeleteI don't think the Democrats are excited about Joe Biden at all.
They are super-excited about two characters: Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin. These are two super-powerful Deities living inside Democrats' skulls.
QB was pretending it was a "rare" bipartisanship "border bill". QB was lying.
DeleteSpeaking of Donald J Chickenshit, how's the fucking coward scamming his rubes lately?
Delete3:07 your claims are false, Hillary had no such plan and that is not what her campaign manager admitted.
DeleteThe “Latin drift” has long since been debunked.
The only ones opposed to Ukraine funding are Trump and his cronies, and that is due to Trump being Putin’s puppet.
When you are reduced to lying to support your nonsense, you’ve lost the argument.
I wouldn't call your gibberish "lying", Corby. It's more like a word-salad.
DeleteYour labyrinth of lies about Hillary and your fealty to Trump are so laughably goofy, you’ve become amusing.
DeleteI’ll wait while you look up the word “fealty”.
MTG mispronounced Laken Riley's name too, in exactly the way Biden did at first. Why doesn't Somerby mention that?
ReplyDeleteLaken is an unusual name.
DeleteI thought it was a reference to a former bb coach.
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