TUESDAY, JUNE 24, 2025
Except he didn't say that: Last Friday, in Morristown, New Jersey, there he went again!
Almost surely, the decision to bomb Iran had apparently already been made. As a possible part of a multifaceted feint, the president was heading off for a relaxing weekend at his Bedminster country club.
After landing at Morristown Municipal Airport, the president took questions from reporters. For unknown reasons, NBC's Vaughn Hillyard tossed him a misleading softball about his position, way back in 2002, on the impending war in Iraq.
By our lights, Hillyard's presentation was grossly misleading. In his response, the president took it and ran:
HILLYARD (6/20/25): Twenty years ago, you were skeptical of a Republican administration that attacked a Middle East country on the idea of questionable intelligence of weapons of mass destruction. How is this moment different with Iran?
TRUMP: ...I was very much opposed to Iraq. I was—I said it loud and clear, but I was a civilian, but I got a lot of publicity. But I was very much opposed to the Iraq war, and I actually did say, "Don't go in. Don't go in. Don't go in."
I actually did say, "Don't go in," the president said.
Except he didn't say that. He didn't say any such thing in the run-up to the war in Iraq.
Journalistically, this matter was litigated long ago, back in the day when Candidate Trump made his first ran for the White House. At that time, it became obvious that he hadn't opposed the war in Iraq, and certainly not in the full-throated way he still likes to say he recalls.
More than twenty years later, there the president went again! The next day, the attack on Iran's nuclear sites proceeded, with the president stepping forward to claim a degree of success which may or may not have occurred.
("Iran's key nuclear enrichment facilities have been completely and totally obliterated.")
The day before the strike on Ira, he stood on the tarmac in New Jersey.
I said it loud and clear, the president said. I actually did say, "Don't go in. Don't go in. Don't go in."
In fact, he didn't do any such thing. And he didn't actually say that.
How will history judge Saturday's attack on Iran? Assuming "history" exists in the future, the bombing attack may be judged as a major geopolitical success.
Or then again, possibly not! That will depend, at least in part, on the judgments and the decisions which are made from here.
Were Iran's enrichment facilities completely obliterated? Everyone seems to agree that no such assessment can be made at this point. But whatever may have happened to those facilities—even if the facilities have been destroyed—the major players who got us here are going to remain.
President Trump will stay in place; so will Vice President Vance. So will the president's cabinet members and his informal advisers.
The mainstream press corps will stay in place. So will the various players seen on the Fox News Channel.
The Democratic Party will still be there, with its officials inclined to argue about tangential legalisms. And we denizens of Blue America will still be in place, perhaps failing to see, right to the end, the ways our own imperfect judgments helped create a world in which President Trump, and his associates, will be making the major decisions as this matter moves forward.
President Trump remains unchanged. So does the problem he seems to have with the task of making accurate statements.
Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth will, most likely, remain—and it's as we showed you in yesterday's report. In a move straight outta Orwell, he offered this, on Sunday morning, in the wake of the attacks:
SECRETARY HEGSETH (6/22/25): Thanks to President Trump's bold and visionary leadership and his commitment to peace through strength, Iran's nuclear ambitions have been obliterated.
Many presidents have dreamed of delivering the blow to Iran's nuclear program and none could until President Trump. The operation President Trump planned was bold and it was brilliant.
[...]
President Trump said, No nukes. He seeks peace, and Iran should take that path. He sent out a Truth last night saying this: "Any retaliation by Iran against the United States of America will be met with force far greater than what was witnessed tonight." Signed, "The President of the United States, Donald J. Trump."
President Trump had "sent out a Truth!" Incredibly, that's what Hegseth actually said.
Incredibly, that's what he fellow actually said. In the process, he invented a new piece of Orwellian language.
("He is such a boy," a young Bulgarian woman once said. As we noted yesterday, we kept flashing on her words in the wake of Hegseth's statement.)
At least for now—and possibly for much longer than that—the bombing mission on Iran has changed the shape of the American discourse:
We're so old that we can even remember the political murders in Minnesota! Beyond that, it's as we noted in Saturday's report. We can even remember the day when Vice President Vance engaged in this astonishing bit of ugly political conduct:
Vance Blames L.A. Violence on California Democrats and Disparages Padilla
Eight days ago, Senator Alex Padilla was forcibly removed from a news conference and handcuffed by federal agents after he interrupted Kristi Noem, the homeland security secretary, at the Wilshire Federal Building in Los Angeles.
At the same building on Friday, Vice President JD Vance disparaged Mr. Padilla for engaging in “political theater” and called him by the wrong name.
“Well, I was hoping Jose Padilla would be here to ask a question, but unfortunately, I guess he decided not to show up because there wasn’t the theater,” Mr. Vance said during a news conference in response to a reporter. “I think everybody realizes that’s what this is. It’s pure political theater.”
Mr. Vance’s spokeswoman later said that he misspoke when he said the senator’s name.
[...]
Later Friday, a spokeswoman for Mr. Vance said the vice president misspoke when he said Mr. Padilla’s name.
“He must have mixed up two people who have broken the law,” said Taylor Van Kirk, the spokeswoman.
Jose Padilla is the name of a man who was convicted of terrorism conspiracy in 2007 after being arrested in Chicago on suspicion of planning to set off a radioactive dirty bomb.
Astonishing! A person could always imagine that the Vice President had misspoken unintentionally when he bungled the senator's first name.
The astonishing statement by the press spokesperson lay any such thoughts to rest. It also serves to remind us of the vast cultural problem our flailing nation still faces.
Bombs have fallen in what may come to be seen as an historically significant mission. Or then again, possibly not!
The way the current situation plays out will depend, in very large part, on future decisions made by people like Hegseth and Vance—and of course, by President Trump himself.
Should those of us in our flailing nation have confidence in what will come next? It seems to us that the answer is no. In fact, imperfect judgment flows like a mighty stream from elements of the American nation—and that even include us Blues.
Some facilities in Iran are gone, but the major players remain. As we noted yesterday, the Middle East is "a story without an ending." There is still no way to know how events will unfold from here.
Some sites are gone, but the story remains. As the week continues, we'll continue to offer some thoughts about the deeply flawed American tribes who do, in fact, remain.
This afternoon: We owe you reports from last week
Tomorrow: Bluster and fury
"WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—In an angry outburst Tuesday morning, Donald J. Trump lashed out at Joe Biden for violating the fragile Middle East ceasefire.
ReplyDelete“The ceasefire was working perfectly and beautifully until Joe Biden broke it,” Trump said. “This should never be allowed to happen in this country.”
Trump refused to disclose precisely how Biden had violated the ceasefire, but darkly hinted that “people are saying it can be done with a laptop.”
He also blasted the “far left lunatic media” for refusing to cover Biden’s violation of the ceasefire, warning, “This better be in Tapper’s next book.”
Laptop?
DeleteHeck, he did it with a spy toaster.
Remember that time Trump admitted on social media that he was amazed by his teenage son's ability to turn his laptop back on after Trump had turned it off?
DeleteGenerally, less than zero is not possible, but when it comes to Trump's IQ, it is looking quite possible.
“ tangential legalisms”
ReplyDeleteInteresting way to describe the constitution.
Bob is a dick.
DeleteAgree.
DeleteThe deliberate, coordinated disinformation has been so intense for the past two weeks, it’s impossible to know what’s really going on just by tracking Trump’s public statements
ReplyDelete"Should those of us in our flailing nation have confidence in what will come next? It seems to us that the answer is no. In fact, imperfect judgment flows like a mighty stream from elements of the American nation—and that even include us Blues."
ReplyDeleteNo "Blues" have had anything to do with the events Somerby describes today. Why then does he include us in his conclusion that "imperfection" is flowing like a mighty stream? Does Somerby imagine that he has proved the guilt of us blues simply by including us in the same sentence after listing a bunch of Republican malfeasance? It doesn't work that way:
Al Capone, Hitler, Ted Bundy, Mickey Mouse.
Shall we assume Mickey was as great a bad guy as the other three listed, without evidence Mickey ever killed a single person, living or animated?
Mickey killed me, with tears of laughter.
DeleteCompared to Hitler, Capone and Bundy are Mickey Mouse.
DeleteTrump is closer to Hitler than Capone, Bundy, or Mickey Mouse.
DeleteTrump lied again. I'm shocked, I tell you. Shocked!
ReplyDeleteUntil Trump was elected, we Americans were not at war with any other country, much less firing upon our neighbors the way countries do in the Middle East. There is no virtue to Trump's actions as president.
ReplyDeleteAgree.
DeleteThe lack of self awareness on the part of Republicans is interesting.
ReplyDeleteJeez. You Bob sure get astonished easily.
But then most idiot-Democrats are, when need to be. And don't neglect being "offended" and "outraged", along with your comrades.
I get it now. The only way Somerby gets to call the blues deeply flawed is by including himself in that group.
DeleteWe Blues didn't authorize Trump's attack on Iran. We were not told about it in advance and we didn't vote to authorize it. How then is our judgment flawed, much less deeply flawed?
ReplyDeleteUntil Trump's bombing of Iran is shown to benefit a black person, there will be no public discussion of how it grows our deficit.
ReplyDeleteHa! Spot on.
DeletePresident Trump secured the impossible. An Iran-Israel ceasefire, with Israel acknowledging the agreement with a little "plane wave." Amazing.
ReplyDeleteI was too optimistic about the ceasefire. Perhaps battles really will cease in a few days when Iran fully understands the cost of continuing to fight. Or perhaps not.
ReplyDeleteEven a blind man knows when he is walking in the sun. David is always in the dark shadows.
DeleteOnce they get you to believe there is a Republican voter who isn't a bigot, getting you to believe something Trump says is child's play.
Deletebut I was a civilian then... Fascist idjit has not a clue how American Democracy works. "The President of the United States, while acting as Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces, is definitively considered a civilian. This crucial distinction underscores the principle of civilian control over the military, a cornerstone of American democracy." What a danger this putz is to our country and the world.
ReplyDeleteIf you have nothing to say, just don't post.
ReplyDeleteIran has been fighting all along. It knows the costs.
ReplyDeleteMeanwhile, I am beginning to suspect that Trump concocted this situation, involving himself in Israel's fight with Iran, threatening Canada, Mexico and Greenland, so that he could end those conflicts and win himself a Nobel Peace Prize. He has been whining about not receiving one, so perhaps this whole situation was engineered by Trump (in his child-like ignorance) to create the circumstances where he could be awarded one.
The idea that Trump could attain a ceasefire without engaging in diplomacy, simply by declaring one in a stern voice, is ludicrous. Trump himself has no idea how diplomacy works and has no diplomatic staff qualified to assist him. After Israel manipulated Trump into bombing Iran, both sides have been ignoring him, which is exactly what they should do.
"As we noted yesterday, the Middle East is "a story without an ending."
ReplyDeleteThe history of our entire planet is a story without an ending because time marches on. There may presumably be some ending to the cosmos but it is so far distant as to be irrelevant to human time.
Perhaps Somerby was being poetic but he comes across as being vague and annoying instead. The Middle East has been called the cradle of civilization. It will continue to have its own politics and history no matter who bombs who or when or why. Perhaps Somerby is simplistically moaning that there is always war. That is far from profound.
There are people who study global peace and conflict. They go on to become diplomats and members of non-profit non-governmental organizations. Trump would never talk to anyone like that. Apparently, Somerby won't read anything in that genre either. That leaves him with nothing useful to say about the Middle East or Trump or Israel.
https://www.igpcm.com.ng/
https://www.actd.us/igpcm-nj/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXyZW87v5EU
https://research.uci.edu/center/center-for-global-peace-and-conflict-studies-cgpacs/
These approaches begin with tolerance of diversity. Somerby isn't inclined that way himself. He thinks the way to reduce conflict is to produce homogeneity by reducing immigration. That is the opposite of tolerance. Somerby's attitude toward what he calls babel is why he is out-of-step with liberals and unlikely to be one, as he keeps claiming.
America is the cradle of civilization.
DeleteSomerby's repeating of Right-wing grievances is a "tell".
DeleteAviv is a Tel.
DeleteMar a Lago is called the cradle of America.
DeleteSomerby is not "moaning" that there's always war. He's juxtaposing the outsized pronouncements by Trump and his gang sniveling sycophants against the long history of the region.
DeleteThe fatuous and dishonest claim by Trump that he always opposed the war in Iraq is the backdrop to his frivolous claims today.
Yes, but Somerby seems to buy the assessment of the situation in Iran as put forward by the Trump administration, such that he refuses to criticize Trump’s decision vis a vis Iran.
DeleteThis blog is mostly a media criticism blog. While Bob always obliquely mentions what his view is, he focuses on how facts are delivered.
DeleteThis blog stopped being coherent media criticism years ago.
DeleteNowadays, Somerby uses the excuse of media criticism to push a right wing agenda.
If you got fooled, that is on you.
Bob doesn’t know what the fuck he’s doing.
Delete"Nowadays, Somerby uses the excuse of media criticism to push a right wing agenda."
DeleteYou've repeated this assertion like, maybe, 1,000 times, right? Several times a day over several years - probably closer to 5,000 times, I'd guess. And I'm sure you realize that repeating it incessantly doesn't make it true. But it does raise a question: Do you really have nothing better to do with your time?
Dogface, anon 3:33 has a point. Just like TDH, Fox News constantly claims that Trump is mentally ill.
DeleteEach time I repeat it I include the evidence supporting it.
DeleteYes, you've provided your "evidence" ad nauseum, and I'm sure there are those who have been persuaded that beginning in 2015 Putin began paying Somerby to pretend he was a liberal, so that Somerby could use affinity fraud to seduce liberals into supporting Trump, and I realize that you feel it's your patriotic duty to warn gullible liberals about Somerby's nefarious intentions, but I'm still wondering: Don't you have anything better to do?
DeleteI play bridge at tournaments in the US and Europe. I read a lot. I have a family and a social life. What do you do when you aren't munching dogfood and chasing sticks?
DeleteIf you read a lot, you do understand the difference between “dogface” and “dog,” right?
DeleteI’ve asked you before what kind of person chooses Dogface as a nym. It suggests a self-esteem problem. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt…
DeleteOh, I guess you don’t understand. You can’t be that well-read.
DeleteActually, the more I think about it, the more I think this is indicative of your reading comprehension problem. Instead of sticking to what is set forth in the text, you let your imagination run wild. You create a world in your own head in which I have self-esteem problems and Somerby is a Russian agent. And you persuade yourself that what you imagine is real.
DeleteThe media has been imagining there is a Republican voter who isn't a bigot, for years.
DeleteYou certainly do get a lot of things wrong. What's up with that?
ReplyDeleteTrump seems to think he can conduct diplomacy via Truth Social "truths":
ReplyDeletehttps://www.jefftiedrich.com/p/no-one-listens-to-befuddled-old-fuckwit
It obviously doesn't work that way.
"Some facilities in Iran are gone, but the major players remain. As we noted yesterday, the Middle East is "a story without an ending." There is still no way to know how events will unfold from here."
ReplyDeleteThe past is the best predictor of the future, so yes, there is a way to know with some probability how events will unfold. And sure enough, that's what happened when Trump's proposed ceasefire crumbled in hours.
Somerby says some facilities are gone. Tiedrich shows a aerial photo of the trucks lined up to move the enriched uranium ahead of the bombings (which were announced by Trump via non-tweets). So, the buildings may be gone but the enriched uranium has merely been moved to another location, which does nothing to change the status quo. However, we have now expended 12 of the 20 large bombs we had in our stockpile. It takes a year to make one of them. Good job, Trump! The only one weakened by this exercise is the USA.
Why on earth would Somerby say we have no way of knowing how things will unfold from here?
However, we have now expended 12 of the 20 large bombs we had in our stockpile.
DeleteThat was my question as well: just how much did this attack cost the US, and how many bombs do we have.
This is how @11:49 thinks about things:
ReplyDeleteWhat I say = right
What you say = wrong
Hard to entertain new ideas that way. Not particularly tolerant either.
What's up with that? Obviously I am not you. Were you confused about it?
‘He says that he said, "Don't go in!"’
ReplyDeleteA lie (oops, call it what you will). So why trust him now about Iran? More to the point, why trust the people surrounding him, who support his every utterance, some of whom must surely know that Trump is lying much of the time? Specifically, what do we really know about Iran, and about what really happened when we dropped those bombs? Can we trust this administration, as Somerby seems willing to at least trust the assessment about Iran?
Is there a connection to the previous Republican administration, when Colin Powell was waving around a vial of something or other claiming that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction? That was another lie designed to get us into that war.
Yep. That and a photo of some trucks parked in front of a 7-11 store was all the incontrovertible proof that was needed.
DeleteI’ve seen the photo & it isn’t a 7-11.
DeleteHe gets things objectively wrong all the time. Like calling NYT Opinion pieces 'articles'. I can point them out one by one as they come so it is more clear to you if you would like. He gets a lot of things objectively wrong. And you get it wrong here thinking I was speaking about subjective claims. What's up with that? What made you get that wrong?
ReplyDeleteIt's good for Iran if Israel keeps fighting. Israel is running out of munitions. And more "let's just bomb the shit out of people so we can exist" diplomacy is just going to further stain them in eyes of history.
ReplyDelete"Perhaps battles really will cease in a few days when Iran fully understands the cost of continuing to fight."
ReplyDeleteAnd the other side? Do they already "fully understand" the cost of continuing or have they yet to reach that realization? When they do, will they too "cease," or will they continue?
The way you describe it, it's like both sides' actions are dictated by Iran.
@11:18, For what it's worth, today's WaPo reports the opposite: Netanyahu decided to attack Iran last year and has been working since then on Biden and now, Trump to join in:
ReplyDelete"Meanwhile, Israeli officials were pursuing another track in their preparations — to sway Washington. Israeli officials have long believed that military action with U.S. participation to target the Iranian nuclear program would be more effective than Israel going alone. On Saturday, Trump indeed joined the conflict, ordering U.S. forces, including B-2 strategic bombers, to strike three Iranian nuclear sites."
The cease-fire may be taking hold now. Trump was able to achieve this because he’s on the same moral level as the Israeli and Iranian leaders.
ReplyDeleteNo such thing is happening, but if it were, it would not be due to Trump in any way, even though he is at least as morally bankrupt as Netanyahu and Putin.
DeleteThe Iranian government is morally bankrupt, too.
DeleteYes, this is exactly how the mythology gets constructed. Trump never expressed any reservations about the war in Iraq. The only on the record utterances came by the way of his interview on the Howard Stern show, where Trump expressed no opinion on the impending war with Iraq. Trump was utterly disinterested in the subject, as there was nothing in it for him.
ReplyDeleteNow, the dufus from NBC suggested in his question that Trump was against that war. This presented Trump in a very favorable light, as a sage who had foreseen the folly of the war in Iraq; therefore, it must be that the current circumstances are different.
I am guessing that Trump allowed himself to be manipulated by Netanyahu. Perhaps, Trump expects Nobel Peace Prize to result from his order to bomb Iran.
For the most part these reporters at the network news are too stupid to do their job. Lawrence O'Donnell gives them shit almost every night.
DeleteTrump did express an opinion about the Iraq War, he said he was for it.
DeleteBefore the war started Trump complained that the media was presenting too many details about attack plans, ironic considering the Trump admin's actions this year. Trump was worried that war would sour his efforts to save his casinos, and in fact his casinos did go bankrupt - something thought to be impossible, but Trump achieved it.
After the war started Trump said that it was "a tremendous success" and "I think the president is doing a very good job".
Then later after it was clear the war was a disaster, and everybody was coming out against it, Trump was still expressing general support "The question is whether or not we should have been in Iraq in the first place. I don’t think that this president can do anything about that. He is really — he is on a course that has to stay." That has to stay.
Later when Hussein was captured, Trump again expressed support for the war, saying "this is just a great thing" and "a huge day for this country".
Trump has always been a neocon, just like most Republicans. Their faux anti war rhetoric they occasionally engage in is merely an attempt to "own the libs" over military conflicts that occur when Dems are in power (usually the result of disastrous Republican policies that preceded the Dems).
Trump and Netanyahu are both well aware that Iran has no nuclear weapon program.
ReplyDeleteFor them, it is all about a money grab and a power grab; dominance all the way down.
I would think that the real question would be 'who did he say 'it' to; and by what means. he could have said it while looking in the mirror, or to any one in some casual conversation. I said the same thing myself, but there is no public record of it. And no one who I said it to would remember me saying it.
ReplyDeleteHis comment obviously refers to a public statement on the record. That is all that counts.
Deletehe could have said it while looking in the mirror, or to any one in some casual conversation.
DeleteThat is not what he has said and what he is saying now.
He said it to me.
DeleteHe said it to yo mama.
DeleteAs President Clinton said, Netanyahu has been trying to start a war with Iran for a long time because that way he can stay in power forever.
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