THURSDAY, JUNE 5, 2025
It happens every time: Readers of today's New York Times may be a bit perplexed.
We'll stick with reports in today's print editions. On Page 1A, readers will find this report, and it will tell them this:
Republican Policy Bill Would Add $2.4 Trillion to Debt, Budget Office Says
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The United States government currently has roughly $29 trillion in public debt, and the budget office had previously forecast that it would grow by roughly $21 trillion over the next decade, reaching nearly $50 trillion in 2034, as a growing share of Americans take advantage of government retirement support. With a roughly $3.8 trillion tax cut at its core, the Republican bill had long been expected to significantly add to that debt and make a precarious situation worse.
Yesterday afternoon, we praised that report for the clarity of its presentation. This very morning, there it sat, on the print edition's front page.
The problem arrived when the assiduous reader turned to a second report. It sat on the front page too, but this second report said this:
Republicans Try to Discredit Experts Warning About the Cost of Tax Cuts
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Citing an extension of tax cuts as a potential driver of U.S. debt, which now exceeds $36 trillion, the ratings firm Moody’s last month downgraded the nation’s credit. Yet Republicans have overwhelmingly rejected the negative assessments, even suggesting at times that the tax cuts technically cost nothing, since some of them were already in place.
Once again, we'll cite Goldberg's Law, the old joke we learned, log ago, from the far-seeing Paul Reiser:
Goldberg's Law
The man with one watch always knows the time. The man with two watches is never quite sure.
At any rate, there the two reports sat, sharing space on the front page of this morning's print editions.
Desperate for some minor clarity, a reader might have turned to the Washington Post. At that second locale, he or she would have found this:
Trump proposes policies that would increase the soaring national debt
President Donald Trump is pursuing an agenda that would add trillions of dollars to the soaring national debt, ignoring warnings from Wall Street, Republican deficit hawks and his outgoing cost-cutting champion.
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The national debt now sits at $36.2 trillion, after sharp increases under Trump and President Joe Biden.
That matches the second report in the Times. For that reason, we see no need for a further bromide about the person who has three watches.
We've often mentioned the problems caused by the endless complexification of our various governmental systems. In this instance, let the word go forth to the nations:
"Debt held by the public" is one of the two major components of the entity known as the national debt. The leading authority on this matter quickly spells it out:
National debt of the United States
The "national debt of the United States" is the total national debt owed by the federal government of the United States to treasury security holders. The national debt at a given point in time is the face value of the then outstanding treasury securities that have been issued by the Treasury and other federal agencies.
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There are two components of gross national debt:
"Debt held by the public"—such as Treasury securities held by investors outside the federal government, including those held by individuals, corporations, the Federal Reserve, and foreign, state and local governments.
"Debt held by government accounts" or "intragovernmental debt"—is non-marketable Treasury securities held in accounts of programs administered by the federal government, such as the Social Security Trust Fund. Debt held by government accounts represents the cumulative surpluses, including interest earnings, of various government programs that have been invested in Treasury securities.
In this morning's Times, the one report was referring to that initial component. The second report—right there on the same front page!—was referring to the whole shebang, to so-called gross national debt. Or at least something like that!
Yesterday, the key point we wanted to stress was this:
As matters stand right now—before the Congress passes any new bills—the national debt is already projected to "soar" over the next ten years.
As matters stand, the national debt will be more than $20 trillion larger after the next ten years. Instead of possibly holding the line on that current grim projection; instead of possibly reducing the projected amount of additional debt; instead of generating "balanced budgets," which would hold the amount of debt right where it is this very day—instead of accomplishing one of those tasks, the GOP budget bill is projected to add a few trillion dollars to the roughly $20 trillion of additional debt which is already slated to accumulate.
'Unsustainable," Paul Krugman has said. That's why we mention this topic. And while we're at it:
Have you seen a Democratic Party plan for a more viable budget? Under current arrangements, no such proposal could move forward. But have you seen that other party—the party we ourselves vote for—even suggest the outlines of the appropriate way to move on into the future?
What should happen to taxation? What should happen to spending? Have you seen anyone even attempt to say?
In discussing the GOP budget bill, our journalists tend to rush past the $20 trillion in new debt which is already projected to accumulate. Quite frequently, they mention only the several trillion additional dollars in new debt which the CBO says will be created by the GOP bill.
This morning, readers of the New York Times had to make a choice. The one front-page report said the debt stands at $29 trillion. A second report on that same front page seemed to jump that to $36 trillion!
The reports shared space on today's front page. A contradiction may have seemed to obtain. Did anyone notice this small imperfection? Also, does anyone actually care?
For extra credit only: The one report in the Times carries this headline. We aren't saying it's wrong:
Republican Policy Bill Would Add $2.4 Trillion to Debt, Budget Office Says
Under Republican Policy Bill, Debt Would Soar by $23 Trillion, CBO says
What about noting that between 1/3 and 1/4 of our entire debt we have been accumulating during our existence as a country is due to a single term of a single president - Trump?
ReplyDeleteThat seems like a significant aspect that shouldn’t be left out or ignored.
Or noting that Republicans are economic vandals starting with Raygun.
DeleteWell said, Bob. "As matters stand, the national debt will be more than $20 trillion larger after the next ten years.... the GOP budget bill is projected to add a few trillion dollars to the roughly $20 trillion of additional debt which is already slated to accumulate....
ReplyDeleteHave you seen a Democratic Party plan for a more viable budget? Under current arrangements, no such proposal could move forward. But have you seen that other party—the party we ourselves vote for—even suggest the outlines of the appropriate way to move on into the future?"
A balanced budget would require unthinkable spending cuts. Neither party can propose such cuts. The voting public wouldn't stand for them. This is politically impossible. So we will have a financial disaster.
Of course tax increases would also help to reduce the deficit. But, when you look at the numbers, spending cuts could contribute a lot more than tax increases could.
"...unthinkable spending cuts. Neither party can propose such cuts. The voting public wouldn't stand for them."
DeleteI don't think this is true. What do you get from the feds that you'd hate to lose? Federal spending is useless to most people.
And if something the feds do is really important, I'm sure George Soros will happily pay for it.
For the second time I agree with DiC. Get the defense budget in line with China, spending $300 billion instead of over a trillion. Problem practically solved overnight. David is not so dumb as I thought!
Delete"Have you seen a Democratic Party plan for a more viable budget? Under current arrangements, no such proposal could move forward."
ReplyDeleteIf proffering a proposed budget would be pointless, then what would be the point of proffering a proposed budget?
A bipartisan spending cut would give neither the blame. That’s how SS benefits were cut many years ago. The first step would be an equally balanced committee to study the problem and make recommendations. It would require good faith cooperation. Neither side would leak that the cuts were really from the other side.
DeleteHave I seen a Democratic Party plan for a more viable budget?
DeleteI sure have! Looky here:
President Biden’s budget for FY 2025 proposes raising the corporate income tax rate from 21 percent to 28 percent, increasing the corporate alternative minimum tax from 15 percent to 21 percent, and increasing the top individual income tax rate from 37 percent to 39.6 percent, among numerous other provisions.
On a gross basis, Biden would increase taxes by $4.4 trillion (an average of 1.19 percent of GDP per year) before reducing taxes by nearly $900 billion through expanded tax credits and preferences (an average of -0.25 percent of GDP per year). Together, the tax changes would increase average annual revenue by 0.94 percent of GDP, which would rank as the 9th largest tax increase since 1940 and the 2nd largest outside of wartime.
https://taxfoundation.org/blog/largest-tax-cuts-hikes-biden-trump-tax-proposals/
Love Dave, in the I got mine fuck you club. Haha losers! Go Dick Go!
DeleteThanks Quaker. If I understand what I'm reading, the $4.4 trillion is clearly a 10-year figure. So, I assume the $900 billion figure is also a 10-year number. So Biden's plan would decrease the annual deficit by about $350 billion. According to your source, this would be the 9th largest tax increase since 1940 and the 2nd largest outside of wartime.
DeleteIt's noteworthy that even such an extreme tax increase would be small compared to an annual deficit in the $2 trillion range. The deficit would still be unsustainable.
When you understand something David the world will stop.
DeleteSo, which do you prefer, DiC, the House plan or the Biden plan? (Simply saying Biden’s isn’t the full solution is not an acceptable dodge.)
DeleteSorry, that was me. I don’t know why I brain-farted and wrote DiC.
DeleteDG - All I know about the Biden plan is the tax changes. I don't know what else that plan would do. Chances are I much prefer the Trump plan on aspects other than taxes.
DeleteBut, looking only at taxes, I'm pretty dissatisfied with both plans. Trump is keeping his word by including tax cuts on which he campaigned. But, I don't like ending the tax on tips, the tax on overtime, or the SALT limitation, although I will gain from the latter..
Biden's plan includes a big increase in corporate income tax. IMO that bad policy. Lower corporate income tax means more jobs and more economic growth. The world is more and more international. High corporate income tax drives businesses away from the US.
7:51 The corporate income tax of 21% is unchanged by Biden. The corporate alternative minimal tax placed on companies that 1) have earnings over a billion dollars and 2) pay little or no taxes due to deductions and other machinations is what changes here. The result would be the same if such deduction were not allowed. For example, IBM paid not federal taxes on 5.6 billion dollars in profit in 2020. This has nothing to do with smaller businesses.
DeleteWhy didn’t Somerby come up with what Quaker came up with? It sounds to me as if Somerby is somewhat unfairly criticizing the Democrats.
DeleteThat’s how SS benefits were cut many years ago.
DeleteWhen were SS benefits cut? It never happened. SS taxes were significantly increased. SS contributes 0 to the deficit.
12:32. Thank you , Ilya. Not only does DiC confabulate a cut in social security historically, but to give it a veneer of truth he tacks on the fantasy that it was arrived at by bipartisan agreement. This takes more than the usual shoveling of bullshit; it's masterful.
Delete"It's noteworthy that even such an extreme tax increase would be small compared to an annual deficit in the $2 trillion range. The deficit would still be unsustainable."
DeleteYou know what else is noteworthy? That anyone expects to be taken seriously on their professed concern about the deficit when they're simultaneously pushing for a reduction in federal revenues.
How does it help balance the budget to take in less money?
It helps a lot. If I hear 'I will cut your taxes somewhat and I will decimate useless federal spending (e.g. sending millions of condoms to Gaza province of Mozambique)', I am definitely voting for you.
DeleteAnd if someone says "These tariffs will help balance the budget by collecting money from other countries." are you also falling for that? The idea that Trump's policies will put money into the pockets of most Americans is about to be debunked, if it hasn't already taken its toll on their retirement plans. Grifters feast on the gullible.
DeleteVoting for someone advocating tariffs as means to rebuild American industries, and reduce taxes and deficits makes perfect sense. What's idiotic, in my opinion, is voting for any "status quo" politician.
DeleteBut that's just me. You Democrats are, of course, infinitely smarter; didn't you recently enthrone Autopen to rule you?
6:33, explain to us why a trade deficit per se is bad, dumb fuck.
DeleteWho said anything about any trade deficit here, dumb fuck?
DeletePrince Orange Chickenshit can't stop whining about trade deficits, maggot breath dumb fuck.
DeleteFeeling confused after your morning enema again, Mr. Soros?
DeleteWhere is the proof lower corporate taxes mean more jobs. Democrats typically raise corporate taxes and greatly grow jobs, Repukes generally lower corporate taxes and shed jobs. Hmmm. It is a conundrum isn't it. My by the gut reasoning does not work in the real world. Should I recalibrate my gut instincts?, naw; trickle down today, trickle down tomorrow, trickle down forever!
DeleteExactly. The capacity of Republicans to mismanage the economy for the benefit of the donor class is unlimited.
Delete"You know what else is noteworthy? That anyone expects to be taken seriously on their professed concern about the deficit when they're simultaneously pushing for a reduction in federal revenues."
DeleteI don't know if such people *expect* to be taken seriously; all I can say is that *I* don't take them seriously.
Oh, no! Mom and Dad are fighting! I wonder who will get custody of the MAGAs.
ReplyDeletehttps://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-disappointed-elon-musk-musk-strikes-back-real/story?id=122543215
"...the richest man in the world threw a haymaker at Trump by claiming the Epstein Files have not been released because Trump is in them."
DeleteIs it irresponsible to speculate? It would be irresponsible not to!
The world looks at these clowns and thinks these two year olds are ridiculous weirdos and jaggoffs. As Elon said today, so sad.
DeleteIt's like an immovable object meets an irresistible force! Except in this case, it's an irredeemable asshole meets another irredeemable asshole.
DeleteThe whole world is rooting for injuries.
Delete"Musk backs call to impeach Trump"
ReplyDeleteI know I've been less than supportive of some of Musk's past actions. But as has been pointed out in this comments section numerous times, Musk is a terrific inventor; the richest, most successful person on the planet; an expert in governmental operations and efficiency; and a selfless patriot.
Given all that, I'm prepared to put aside past differences and follow his recommendation on this vital issue of public concern.
Hear, Hear!!! Impeach the freak!!!
DeleteIf Musk manages to get the ball rolling to have Trump impeached. At the same time, Trump has Musk sent to the gulag in El Salvador. This would make me drown in schadenfreude.
ReplyDeletePeople are saying that musk is an illegal immigrant. 😕
DeleteMusk was working illegally in the US. His visa was not intended as a work visa.
DeleteThe list goes on and on. Corrupt mf'rs to the core. The Deranged Trump Cult (DTC) just have no idea what these lifelong crooks are up to. It ain't about helping the DTC. Go buy another Trump coin DTC, trust me it can only go up in value as it is magical!
Delete34. Musk has direct business interests before over 70% of agencies and departments targeted by DOGE.
35. The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) was a top target. Musk called for “delet[ing]” the agency and DOGE attempted to fire up to 90% of CFPB staff, who would regulate X Money.
36. President Trump fired the CFPB Director and the new head of CFPB forbade the agency from doing work — after CFPB had received over 300 consumer complaints about Tesla.
37. X also deleted CFPB’s official account on the social media platform, limiting the public communications of an agency that regulates Musk companies.
38. X deleted the account of Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) Commissioner Richard Trumka Jr. after he posted about President Trump’s allegedly illegal firings of Democratic CPSC commissioners.
39. The Trump Administration fired Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) commissioners after EEOC investigated Tesla for alleged racial harassment and retaliation at the company’s Fremont Facility.
40. The Trump Administration plans to cut potentially thousands of EPA employees, after the EPA found that SpaceX violated the Clean Water Act, investigated Tesla’s actions at its Austin Facility, and investigated an xAI facility in Tennessee for air pollution.
Where are all the cultists to sing the greatness of Musk now?
ReplyDeleteWhen Joe Rogan has to choose sides, you know he's gonna be on the side of the drugs and money.
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