ARRIVALS: Hannah Arendt was on the scene...

THURSDAY, JULY 3, 2025

...when an arrival occurred: How might we most instructively picture the nature of this latest arrival?

Within the House of Representatives, this latest arrival continues this very day. Even as we type, the megabill is about to be approved by the House, extending the political dominance of the current sitting president.

His ongoing political success is supported by tens of million of neighbors and friends—by tens of millions of our fellow citizens. He came down the escalator in 2015. What accounts for the ongoing appeal of this vastly surp arrival?

Those of us in Blue America have a hard time seeing the ways we ourselves helped set the stage for this potent arrival That said, and for better or worse, the forces of MAGA America continue to advance. But what would be the most instructive way for us to picture what has been happening?

For ourselves, we juggle such pictures as these:

When we see the Secretary of Homeland Security speaking, in full sincerity, about the cannibals who may be inclined to eat their own arms, we think of the portrait offered in Men in Black, in which an extremely strange set of alien beings are secretly living among us.

(We refer to the secretary herself, not to the alleged cannibal.)

The scenario offered in Men in Black is comedic. We think of that comedic portrait when we see players like Noem offering highly peculiar assessments.

But when we see people like Watters, Failla and Gowdy assailing a CNN journalist by name—a journalist who reported on an actual DIA assessment;

When we see such people doing that in the immediate aftermath of the murders in Minnesota;

When we see them doing that in support of the sitting president, who said the CNN journalist should be "thrown out like a dog;"

When we see them doing that in support of the president who said that CNN and the New York Times are "scum" because they reported that (actual) DIA assessment;

When we see President Trump, plus Watters, Failla and Gowdy, behaving in such astonishing ways, we toss Men in Black to the side. We think instead of the murderous way the rage-filled Achaeans came over the walls of sacred Troy at the very dawn of the West.

How should we understand the rage which leads people like Trump, Watters, Failla and Gowdy to behave in the dangerous way they did? Which leads a person like Lisa Boothe to put the life of Dr. Fauci at risk through the astonishing attacks she has delivered in several of her appearances on the Fox News Channel?

At this site, we're looking for other arrivals which might help us understand and portray the arrival which is still unfolding here. As we've noted, that leads us back to the portrait of a disastrous arrival—a portrait which was offered by the PBS series, American Masters, this past Friday night.

How did it [ever] get this far? That's what Don Corleone asks at one point in The Godfather. Today, we might ask a similar question about the MAGA movement:

How did this movement ever get stated? What explains its arrival, which continues along today?

Last Friday night, American Masters debuted its latest documentary. The PBS program is now in its 39th year. By clicking here, you can visit the website of its current episode, which you can watch in full:

S39 Ep 5
Hannah Arendt: Facing Tyranny

Premiere: 6/27/2025 | 01:23:45 | TV-PG 

Discover Hannah Arendt, one of the most fearless political thinkers of the 20th century, who transformed her time as a political prisoner and refugee during World War II into daring insights about totalitarianism which continue to resonate today.

Hannah Arendt was indeed a major figure of the last century. It's portrait of her is TV-PG, the website says—but along the way, this documentary discusses one of the most consequential arrivals in all of human history. 

The program discusses the way the Third Reich first gained purchase in 1930s Germany. Breaking a rule of contemporary journalistic discourse, the program seems to compare the early years of that arrival to the way our own nation's current arrival gained purchase.

On its face, that's a highly unflattering comparison. At this point, it's important to state an obvious point:

The deranged leader of the Third Reich went on to stage "the genocide of about six million Jews and millions of other victims."

President Trump has never done anything like that. Beyond that, we know of no reason to believe that he ever would or will.

Whatever one thinks of President Trump, he hasn't engaged in such conduct. That said, the American Masters profile of Arendt draws an obvious comparison between the arrival of the MAGA movement and the arrival of that other movement in the Germany of the 1930s.

Was the program wise to do such a thing? Given the horror of where the German movement went, is it decent to create and broadcast such a comparison?

Readers can judge that as they wish. For those who want to ponder the history of the current arrival, we think it's worth restating what the PBS program chose to present.

President Trump has done no such thing. But what explains his political appeal at the time of his arrival? Who was drawn to his arrival, and why?

The portrait of that 1930s German arrival starts at roughly the 20-minute mark of the American Masters program. You can click over there to see what the program says.

For the record, that program does a very poor job identifying who is providing the background narration at various points along the way. In spite of that major shortcoming, you'll surely get the gist pf what the program is saying.

Tomorrow, we'll show you what the program says about these two arrivals. The programs tells us what Hannah Arendt, then a young woman, saw in Germany at that time. It also presents some of what she later said about the appeal of that arrival.

According to the program's website, "Actress Nina Hoss provides the voice of Hannah Arendt." When Hoss provides this narration, she is reading the actual words of Arendt.

Several scholars also provide the narration as this German arrival is described. To our ear, the program clearly compares that arrival to the rise of our own nation's current dominant political movement.

For reasons we can't even remember at this point, we were struck by what the American Masters program said. Tomorrow, we'll transcribe its intriguing account, trying to remind you of this:

The foolishness and arrogance of our own Blue America helped set the stage for the rise of the MAGA world. 

Quite frequently, Donald Trump's supporters have legitimate complaints to make. It's the lunacy of the cannibal spottings, married to the inability to rein in the rage, which leads us first to Men in Black, then to the murderous assault on sacred Troy and on those within its walls.

We Blues helped set the stage for this arrival. Why did it take hold?

Tomorrow: "The ideal subject was [the person] for whom the distinction between fact and fiction no longer existed."

205 comments:

  1. I like Cecelia better than Anna.

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    1. Hannah. H before and after.

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    2. Arendt is an actual woman, whereas Cecelia is a man pretending to be a woman. There are other differences too - Arendt is not an addled lunatic, for example.

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    3. But aren't you an Anonamoose pretending to be an Anonamouse?

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    4. Nobody liked Cecelia which is why we are all glad he is gone. Good riddance.

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    5. With Cecilia gone, what will you post about? Or maybe I'm Cecilia pretending to be a man pretending to be a woman. Haven't thought that far ahead, have you?

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    6. ANON 12:55, please let it go, this repeated idiotic claim that "Cecilia is a man." It's nauseatingly dumb.

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    7. That's what he said.

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    8. AC - It's more than nauseatingly dumb. It's a progressive who is using gender as a basis for insults,
      a practice which progressives abhor.

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    9. And all the good "progressives" here stare off into space while this sliming persists.

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    10. I mean, where's our resident progressive scold who writes long screeds fantasizing about how Our Host is secretly a racist, misogynist xenophobe? Why not a peep condemning these sexist insults directed at CC?

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    11. Melody April 100% WomanJuly 3, 2025 at 2:22 PM

      I for one am glad that the true progressives here, AC and DG, have spoken up for what’s important…Cecelia, a hateful internet commenter. At any rate, their defenses of Cecelia don’t count, only the other progressives here who just can’t be bothered. By the way, do AC and DG care about racism etc?

      And you better not call me a man pretending to be a woman. Look at my name.

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    12. What's with the weird, drive-by insinuation that I'm racist? This exemplifies one of Somerby's themes: Progressives use the r-bomb when it's not warranted, which tends to turn persuadable voters into Trump supporters.

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    13. That's one of the ways the actions of Blues have brought us to our present predicament.

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    14. I love being an internet commenter, but I really love being a hateful internet commenter who is a woman or a man depending upon anonymouse preference. It’s the best!

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    15. I prefer you as a woman.

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    16. I prefer you both gone.

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    17. Somerby is not secret about his bigotry.

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    18. Dogface George,
      Everyone already knows the only people you can't blame for the Trump Presidency are Trump voters.
      Bob, the corporate media, and every Right-wing troll in the world have been repeating it non-stop since 2016.

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    19. 3:54 - Does it occur to you that more than one factor may combine to cause a result?

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    20. Idiot-Democrat @3:54 can't understand a discussion of the reasons why people become Trump voters. Too retarded.

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    21. BTW - Somerby never said, "The only people you can't blame for the Trump Presidency are Trump voters."

      I wonder why you hallucinate that he did?

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    22. Please quote any time when Somerby said Trump voters were responsible for Trump’s win.

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    23. DG no doubt thinks racism is about white men.

      Cecelia mocks women in an ugly way every time she pretends to be female. It is a twofer. “She” gets to annoy both women and liberals. Her transphobia is a giveaway.

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    24. 4:23 - A boring, transparent deflection. If you were honest, you would just admit it: Somerby never said that the only people you can't blame for the Trump presidency are Trump voters.

      Nor, to be clear, did he say anything like it. He did not say, for example, "You can't blame Trump voters for the Trump Presidency."

      For some reason, the simple and obvious idea that there might be multiple groups who are to blame for the Trump Presidency is lost on some people.

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    25. Now you know how it feels when someone like you asks others to produce quotes.

      You don't seem to understand the simple fact that the people who voted for Trump by casting their ballots for the guy are absolutely responsible for his election because they gave him more votes than Harris through their choice. No one made them do it -- they chose to do it. That makes them responsible.

      If that was you, then you are also responsible for all of the ill effects of putting Trump into office, because it was crystal clear what kind of president he was going to be. You don't get to blame other people for your terrible choice. Accept responsibility for what you did but don't try to shift it off onto others. Those others are responsible only for their own votes (or failure to vote), not whatever you did of your own free will.

      Republicans are now to blame for Trump. They are to blame for every stupid, mean-spirited, malicious, dangerous, dirty, fatal, injurious, lethal, embarrassing, damaging thing he does. Because we had a previous term in which to see who Trump was and Republicans put him into office again knowingly. You too, if you voted for Trump.

      I am not planning to forgive Republicans for doing this. You can stop repeating Somerby's vile attempts to shift blame onto Blues, aliens arriving, Harris's smile, Biden's age, or whatever he comes up with next. Somerby is wrong to blame anyone except those who put this horrible excuse for a human being back into the presidency.

      You can take your multiple causes and shove them right up your ass.

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    26. I guess that’s your sorry attempt at reasoning.

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    27. 6:16,
      I'm game.
      How do YOU tell the difference between Neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and the "fine people on the Right"?

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    28. Cecelia and DG both seem to be compelled to have the last word, even when they have nothing to say. Is that a troll thing, or is it in their contract that no comment can go unanswered?

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    29. I get that you’re addicted to the orgasmic rush of moral superiority and righteous indignation that you feel when you call others “racists,” and I also understand that you will never understand that doing so might, under certain circumstances, prove electorally counter-productive.

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    30. I get that it hurts the fee-fees of bigots, who feel superior to people who are vulnerable.
      I also understand you will never know that punching bullies shuts them up.

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    31. Perhaps you are autistic DG? The emotion I feel is anger toward those who abuse others here and those who are currently destroying our nation.

      You seem to be buying Somerby's assertion that picking on red voters for being bigots makes them vote red. See how that makes no sense. They vote red because they are bigots and Trump tells them that is OK, not because some random blue voter tries to shame them into doing better.

      That you believe (and defend) Somerby's utter garbage is an indicator that you too are lying about being a lifelong Democrat. Perhaps you voted for Trump yourself and now blame us Blues for forcing you to support a bigot? If that's how you use your vote, you are an idiot, not any kind of political person.

      You are a troll, that's all. Or perhaps you are Somerby. You are not a good decent person if you write stuff like this. You accomplish nothing by writing little nasty-grams at the ends of my comments (no matter what I write about).

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  2. My uncle was eaten by cannibals.

    I hated my uncle. That's why I love cannibals now.

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    1. Cannibals rescued my uncle. I love him and them.

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    2. Every Democrat loves cannibals. Provided they are illegal migrants. Also, "brown". Even better if they happen to be sexual perverts.

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    3. Stick to what’s most important, 1:12. Whether Cecelia is a man or not.

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    4. Biden made a quip that his uncle was perhaps eaten by cannibals because he disappeared after a plane crash off New Guinea. There were cannibals there in that time period (1940s) living in the mountains. That is not the same as self-harm called self-cannibalism or auto-cannibalism, in which mentally ill people use their teeth to harm themselves. Joking about mental illness shows the traditional Republican lack of empathy and willingness to mock those with disabilities.

      Who knows what Noem was talking about. Things coming out of her mouth are not necessarily true.

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    5. Torturing prisoners to the point of major distress in which they may harm themselves (up to and including suicide) is evil, forbidden by law, and not something Noem should brag about doing.

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    6. The plane fell into the ocean, idiot-Democrat. There are no cannibals in the ocean. Three crew members drowned, one survived.

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    7. not something Noem should brag about doing.
      No, but she seems to lack the awareness of how her actions would be perceived by normal people. On the other hand, when she boasted about shooting a puppy in a fit of pique or rage, even the MAGA crowd had turned on her. When she off-handedly brings up driving people to a psychotic breakdown, she will probably be applauded.

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    8. People who are shot down swim to land if they can. The nearest land was occupied by cannibal tribes. Biden was not serious when he said it. He said no one knew what happened to him.

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    9. Cannibals wait for planes to crash, then row out to the wreckage and eat the passengers.

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    10. Two questions for the cannibabras. What if the plane crashes on land? If they crash in water, what do you do if they sink to the bottom of the sea?

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    11. If you are Biden, you wonder what happened to your long lost uncle who died in a plane crash during WWII. Asshole.

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    12. You can predict how someone votes by their stupid fucking jokes about other people's deaths.

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    13. Every Capitalist loves illegal migrants. And it's fine, if they happen to be sexual perverts, because they are still smarter and more industrious than stupid, lazy white people.

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    14. People from other cultures are not sexual perverts. Jeffrey Epstein is a sexual pervert. Harvey Weinstein is a sexual pervert. Sean Combs is a sexual pervert. Donald Trump is a sexual pervert. All these men were convicted in court by a jury. Rich white men who think they can push women around because they have money -- those guys are perverts.

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    15. If the plane crashes on land, cannibals walk to it. Then they eat the passengers.

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    16. Forgot Andrew Tate.

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    17. Sean Combs is not white.

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    18. Sean Combs was charged along with his business enterprises, whose employees are not all one race. They didn't convict them of racketeering but that doesn't mean they weren't involved in exploiting women.

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  3. What is a surp arrival?

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    1. No one knows or cares.

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    2. Bob asked “What accounts for the ongoing appeal of this vastly surp arrival?”

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    3. Over many years, few of my arrivals have been surp, most have not.

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    4. When I first starting reading this blog, I was surprised that Somerby never goes back and proofreads his essays. Sometimes he leaves the wrong date at the top and never corrects it. There are always plenty of typos. It shows (1) laziness, (2) a lack of interest and concern for his readers, (3) inability to proof as he types, (4) disrespect for our shared discourse (and whoever pays him).

      That was when I decided that Somerby must have some other purpose for being here beyond self-expression. He is going through the motions and just doesn't care.

      At some point, people who lose respect for themselves and others wind up being those guys who never shave, wear baggy bermuda shorts and flip flops everywhere, leave the empty beer cans for their mom to pick up (or to just lie where they land), ditto for chips bags and empty microwave dinner trays. The guy has no self respect. It is why he doesn't care if people notice all the cutting and pasting and repetition and never returning to the teased topics, and doesn't care at all what anyone says in comments because he isn't even curious about how his ideas are received.

      This is exactly the kind of guy who doesn't give a damn about American ideals, fair treatment of minorities, economic prosperity for all, a sound education for children (perhaps not even while he was a teacher), coherent thought and clear expression. He doesn't care about anything.

      Cecelia once suggested this might be a symptom of depression. If so, there is treatment for that. If anyone reading this blogs knows and cares about this guy, help him get help. (If he were a veteran it would be supplied by the VA.)

      Many of us are here for the commenter community, not the essays, which have deteriorated nearly as much as Trump has. Pakman has been wondering why no one in the media talks about Trump's obvious dementia. Somerby has an excuse -- it is hard to notice other people's dementia when you are experiencing your own decline. Too bad.

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    5. Somerby's posts are gifts. If you don't like them, you don't have to read them. But it seems ungracious to take his gifts and then slime him as an unAmerican, demented nihilist.

      But you be you.

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    6. Shaving is stupid.

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    7. They are not gifts. They are like the poop a two-year old smears on the walls. Calling them "gifts" doesn't change their contents.

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    8. Whether they’re gifts or poop, you don’t pay for them and you don’t have to look at them.

      Cannibals, who generally don’t shave, are happy to hear from Cecelia, the queen of commenters.

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    9. Anonymouse 8:28pm, you and your jerk sauce.

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    10. "When I first starting reading this blog, I was surprised that Somerby never goes back and proofreads his essays."

      That's it! That's what "surp arrival" means! "...this surprise arrival..." or "...this surprising arrival..."

      Good work, @6:56!

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  4. "President Trump has never done anything like that."

    Earth to Somerby, Trump directly caused hundreds of thousands of Americans to unnecessarily die from a pandemic, and Trump's illegal cutting of USAID will kill about 14 million people over the next five years.

    Not only has Trump very much "done something like that", he appears to be doing something even worse.

    JD Vance has made one sensible statement in his whole life: Trump is America's Hitler.

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  6. Bob wrote, "an obvious comparison between the arrival of the MAGA movement and the arrival of that other movement in the Germany of the 1930s." The comparison of Trump to Hitler is not obvious. On the contrary it's a symptom of TDS.

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    1. TDS originally referred to people who viewed Trump seriously and thought that he had some policy ideas, as opposed to just being a conman, grifter, and general purpose asshole. This is the only context in which TDS makes sense.
      Have you see the concentration camp that's been constructed in Florida? A resemblance to Auschwitz is uncanny.

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    2. Auschwitz was an extermination camp designed explicitly to kill people efficiently. In that sense, it was transitory, like the Alligator camp. Dachau was where political prisoners and Hitler's enemies were sent. Some died there because the conditions were horrible, but some were released eventually. There were also work camps where prisoners were leased out to work in factories or at other labor but herded back to barracks at night. This may be what Trump is angling for when he promises farmers they can have their workers, not a system were farmworkers have any status or rights.

      The comparison between Trump and Hitler is very obvious, right down to the hysterical ranting against enemies.

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    3. Ah yes, hysterical ranting.

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    4. hysterical ranting is pretty much all Trump does, all day, every day.

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    5. Yes, hysterical ranting, endless squealing. Also: projection.

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    6. Comparing Trump to Hitler is HDS.

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    7. You can reliably identify a bad person by asking what he thinks about Hitler.

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    8. He did some good things…

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    9. Trump had some good ideas, but he took them too far.

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    10. Trump has obsessions not ideas.

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    11. By far Trump's greatest idea was fucking a porn star while momma was home with his baby. He is smart like that. His uncle went to MIT.

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    12. That's not a concentration camp being built in Florida though.

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    13. Alligator Alcatraz is a concentration camp being built in the Florida everglades on disused military airstrip.

      https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/01/us/what-is-alligator-alcatraz-florida

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    14. That doesn't describe a concentration camp.

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    15. Yes, it does. See comments below about what a concentration camp is and how the Alligator Alcatraz camp compares to German camps.

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    16. The comments below don't make a convincing case that the facility in Florida is a concentration camp. Because it's not.

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    17. We will have to agree to disagree. On one side there's you. On the other there's the Holocaust Museum's definition of what a concentration camp is. I pick them, since they are experts on the subject and you are a random anonymous troll trying to pretend that Alligator Alcatraz is just a new Best Western in the scenic Everglades.

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    18. Ok. Thanks for being genuine and truthful.

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    19. Merriam-Webster defines a concentration camp thusly: a place where large numbers of people (such as prisoners of war, political prisoners, refugees, or the members of an ethnic or religious minority) are detained or confined under armed guard

      The definition continues to note that the term is especially used to denote the German camps during the 1930s and 1940s.

      It's the right word for President Trump's new real estate deal.

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    20. If that's what you really believe, you should continue to use the term then. But be ready to pay a political price for it.

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    21. Republican voters should be judged by how they react to what Left-wingers call them.
      That's just science.

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  7. Trump and Hitler were both populists who disparaged their critics, particularly the press, scorned intellectuals, wallowed in their own propaganda, boasted overmuch about their own achievements and demonized their enemies.

    Haven't been able to find reliable data on the size of Hitler's hands.

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    1. Hector, virtually all pols disparage their critics, particularly their critics in the media, believe their own propaganda, boast about their own achievements and demonize their enemies.

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    2. Not to the extent engaged in by both Trump and Hitler.

      Also, I left out the 'stab-in-the-back' theory. For Hitler, it was the betrayal of Germany causing its defeat in WWI; for Trump the stolen election in 2020.

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    3. Finally, A President acting all Presidential and shit:

      "Ron Filipkowski @ronfilipkowski.bsky.social

      In the past 24 hours, Trump’s threatened Elon Musk, Thomas Massie, Japan, a judge in Israel, the CEO of AT&T, Jerome Powell, Canada, Thom Tillis, a Forbes reporter, Harvard, & migrants with being eaten by Burmese pythons in the Everglades, while releasing a new line of colognes."

      Honestly, truly, sincerely, all bullshit aside, what's the matter with the cult? It don broke down. Shame on you David.

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    4. Time to move to Canada. It's safe.

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    5. Yes, it’s totally normal and not authoritarian to threaten someone who criticized you (musk) and a naturalized citizen who won the NYC mayoral primary with deportation. Because trump holds all the cards, and as someone here said once (was it DiC), Trump will not be thwarted.

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    6. David, neither Trump nor Hitler are typical politicians.

      Hitler was a very bad person but he didn't use his leadership position to amass personal wealth the way Trump does. Nor did Hitler have dementia the way Trump does. Their psyches were different. Aside from that, their destructive acts are highly similar. Trump will not be treated well by history, especially if he cannot be prevented from breaking more laws and hurting people. Hitler was not nearly as stupid as Trump, although he was superstitious and manipulated by those around him.

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    7. Spelling "musk" and "trump" is how we Democrats win.

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    8. Hector: I think most dictators follow an established pattern or a template. Trump admires Putin and wants to emulate him, and some of the similarities are striking. Certainly, there's a clear pattern that Trump follows:
      1. Invent an existential threat where none exists: undocumented residents in this case.
      2. Vilify, vilify, vilify! The rhetoric and assault needs to be constantly amped up.
      3. Attach the press.
      4. Weaponize the law.
      5. Claim new powers and keep encroaching on more and more rights. Note how Trump blithely mentions that he may de-naturalize Modani and deport him; or even mention deporting US citizens.

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    9. Hitler was a painter, like Hunter Biden.

      But Hitler used paint instead of his faeces. And this is why he lost the war.

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    10. 1:23 Nice. Hard to keep up.

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    11. When Thrump first started in on the "press is the enemy of the people" I said to my son in law magat that no politician has talked like that since 1930's Germany. It has only gotten worse. Sick puppies, the whole lot of you weirdos.

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    12. AI says: "Adolf Hitler was primarily a realist painter with a focus on architectural subjects, drawing inspiration from 19th-century styles and Greco-Roman classicism. He favored a technical, precise style, often copying or referencing the works of earlier artists. While he didn't create original or groundbreaking art, his paintings were competent and detailed, though criticized for lacking originality and emotional depth. "

      Who else is fascinated by Greco-Roman times? The bros who worship Hitler and yearn for a white supremacist state that they hope Trump will bring about. And Somerby, of course.

      Hunter Biden's paintings are abstract not representational and show both more emotion and skill. George W. Bush's art is in a style called primitive.

      Hitler painted watercolors and made sketches while a young man who was also engaged in political organizing and building a following. He moved to Munich after receiving part of his father's estate as an inheritance. Bush and Biden are painting after retiring from other successful careers.

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    13. There's also how convinced both Trump and Hitler are (were) in their own genius.

      And Trump's desire to seize Greenland can be compared with Lebensraum, or "living space", one of the founding concepts of Nazi ideology, which factored into the annexation of parts of Czechoslovakia and Austria.

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    14. We went to the Prison Museum in Canon City CO. It displayed some excellent art done by the prisoners. Of course most artists are not criminals, but the ability of some prisoners to use their time productively by painting doesn't make all painters Hitler or in recovery like Biden. Most artists are no doubt good decent people with imagination and skill who produce not only fine art but also the graphic art and design objects that people decorate their homes with. Creativity is a gift and had nothing to do with Hitler's evil. Trump doesn't appear to have any creativity to speak of, especially given that he is so ignorant about the world.

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    15. I read an article about Trump that said he cries when he hears Pavarotti. The author didn't appear to understand that Pavarotti is a singer, not the name of a composer or an opera. People cry at operas because of the plot and acting and the ability of the music to convey tragedy. Pavarotti is so famous that everyone admires him -- there is no distinction in liking him, no finer appreciation of operatic accomplishment required. Nor is singing a competition of any sort. It is expressive and individual.

      So who is impressed when Trump can name an opera singer (one of the most famous)? Someone who knows less than Trump about opera. Trump is unlikely to be moved by operatic plots because he cannot empathize with people and he is too stupid to follow the dialog and often complex plots, and he is too amped up to sit still throughout a production. YMCA is his favorite rally song. So these journalistic efforts to humanize Trump come across as ludicrous and manufactured. Trump is a uneducated dolt who was scorned in NYC where opera is a real thing.

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    16. @1:39 -- pols here have indeed criticized the press. Rush Limbaugh was vilified. FoxNews is vilified

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    17. Who vilified Limbaugh or Fox news? More importantly, did any Democratic president suggest criminal charges against Fox or Limbaugh?
      Limbaugh was a drug-addled asshole, who travelled to Dominican Republic to bang underage girls and/or boys. Yet, I don't recall any Democratic president calling for him to be jailed. Given his illicit drug use, the authorities went very easy on him. Could've been investigated for conspiracy to have sex with minors.

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    18. "pols here have indeed criticized the press."

      Criticizing individual stories or reporters is minor league compared to saying "the press is the enemy of the people" and repeating it over and over for its propagandistic effect.

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    19. There are many films of Hitler showing his hands.

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    20. If the press was the enemy of the people, and they didn't call it that, then they were enemies of the people too.

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    21. Trump is no Hitler Ronald Reagan was Hitler.

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    22. Elon Musk is an enemy of the people.

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    23. From your hero to your zero, like your use of Felon/Hitler phraseology. Like you would have posted that two months ago you weirdo.

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    24. So is David in Cal telling me that a national news station that had to pay nearly $800M for repeatedly lying about and falsely vilifying an election machine corporation should not be vilified. How the fuck your brain work? Maybe you think like Obama the magic monkey you weirdo.

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    25. How dare you compare Thrumpers and Hitler authoritarian mindsets. "Because trump holds all the cards, and as someone here said once (was it DiC), Trump will not be thwarted." Fucking lying weirdos.

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  8. “President Trump has never done anything like that. Beyond that, we know of no reason to believe that he ever would or will.”

    Not all totalitarians produce the exact same results. That being said, surely Somerby recognizes that all totalitarians read from the same playbook, and so share behaviors in common. The lying that the admin is engaged in, including Trump’s lie about his 2020 election loss, are elements of this.

    I hope Somerby is right that “it can’t happen here”, although Lara Loomer recently posted that the alligators in Florida will be well fed with 65 million people potentially. (That’s the total number of Latinos in the US, citizen or not.) Joke?

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    1. Alligators and pythons don't eat people. These weirdos are not only weird but sick puppies.

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    2. Alligators and pythons don’t eat people because they’ve never tried a delicious Latino.

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    3. Do you think no Latinos live in Florida?

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    4. Aligators and pythons don’t know. Just wait till they find out.

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    5. The term FAFO was created for you. Fuck around with alligators and let us know what you find out.

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    6. FAFO was created for people who tell you the deficit is too high for the country to help its citizens.
      Fuck around, by calling the nation's defense contractors, and telling them we're too broke to purchase any of their products or services until we get our fiscal house in order. Let them tell us what they found out.

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  9. I don’t buy Somerby’s thesis, that “blue America” set the stage for the current…”arrival” or whatever Somerby calls it. We were angry at Trump and the gop, but didn’t want Biden to punish republicans or red states. And he didn’t. We can’t win every election, and the gop barely won the presidency and the house this go round. They should be content to legislate and act like normal people. Instead, they adopt Trump’s lying and corruption and his poisonous discourse and attempt to hold power by authoritarian trickery. That in no way is the fault of liberals.

    It’s like saying the North set the stage for the civil war. (And yes, that was said at the time).

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  10. The virulent anti-immigrant stance has a long history in the US, and long predates 2015. It isn’t blue America that set the stage for this. It was trump and the gop giving it free reign that brought it fully back into the open.

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  11. “ His ongoing political success is supported by tens of million of neighbors and friends—by tens of millions of our fellow citizens”

    They don’t strike me as good decent people if they support the trump administration’s gleeful bloodthirsty rounding up and detention of “illegal aliens” en masse, and joking about their deaths while trying to escape, or, who knows, simply for being illegal. And Trump campaigned on mass deportation ,so you can’t exactly say our “neighbors and friends” disapprove of this inhumane mindset.

    They’re not my friends, anyway.

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  12. Desperately searching for one Democrat who is or was a Clinton, Obama, or Biden supporter, who posted rage-filled screeds on social media about the inhumanity of blocking and deporting illegal aliens and who declared those Democrat icons Hitlerian authoritarians for acting on illegal immigration.

    Democrats are reactive, unhinged hypocrites.

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    1. Interesting. I was told here and elsewhere that Democrats were all for open borders. Now I hear you tell me that Clinton, Obama, and Biden all deported a lot of people? Really? And yet, there must have been Democrats and liberals out there complaining about the policies of those presidents, or else they wouldn’t have been accused of supporting open borders. I was also told by the blogger that Biden didn’t do enough on immigration, and that was one reason he was defeated in 2024.

      Your comment is nonsense.

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    2. Well the Dems got rid of all the criminals, cartel members, and asylum people so Trump can get rid of all the hard workers and collapse the American economy. Capeesh? I know you are slow.

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    3. Capeesh = capisce (it is Italian mobster speak)

      Slow people don't spell very well. Don't be that guy.

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    4. It’s a normal Italian word, with no special connection to mobsters.

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    5. Sorry, I was referring to "Capeesh" when I said that. It is part of a stereotype in mob movies which is the only place a moron will have encountered it. That's why they don't know how to spell it (as an Italian word).

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  13. Instead of wasting your time and brain cells on today's pompous, pedantic post, the 1st episode of BBC's 1973 series, The World at War, draws the best parallel:

    https://archive.org/details/the-world-at-war-1973-thames-television-world-war-two/01+A+New+Germany+(1933%E2%80%931939).mp4

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  14. Trump's Big Beautiful Bill has passed the House and now awaits Trump's signature.

    The vote was 216-213.

    Massie and Fitzpatrick voted "No". Two GOP members didn't vote. All Democrats voted "No"

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    1. Thank you for the news updates. None of us has access to any news sources. Is that what you think? What’s up currently in turkey? Ukraine? How’s that peace deal going?

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    2. How you weirdos have no shame? Just typing Big, Beautiful Bill I am embarrassed for you.

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    3. Remember when Democrats tried to get elected by calling their opponent weird but then everyone laughed because they took one look at tampon Tim Walz and Doritos BRAT Kamma La and then looked at Trump and Vance and thought, you gotta be kidding.

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    4. I'll never forget snowflakes on the Right throwing a childish temper tantrum at the U.S. Capitol, just because black people's votes counted in the 2020 presidential election.
      My 6-year old niece and I laughed at them as we watched on TV. Her asking me, "Why would they follow the lead of a man with hands half the size of mine?", was one of the highlights of the day.

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  15. Joni Ernst summed up the Republican ethos quite well: we’re all going to die.

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    1. Just have to wait until after the midterms when the pussies put the worst of their shit bill to kick in and kill the poor. Shit weasels to the end. Your Republican Party. With an extra helping of fucking weird.

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  16. "All the world can now see the truth: Brennan, Clapper and Comey manipulated intelligence and silenced career professionals — all to get Trump. Thank you to the career @CIA officers who conducted this review and exposed the facts. https://t.co/S7Mxz6xA6P
    — CIA Director John Ratcliffe (@CIADirector) July 2, 2025"

    Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind, idiot-Democrats.

    Squeal all you want; that's justice.

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    1. Trumptard bravely peeks his head up from under his bed covers.

      And speaks of justice! In italics no less! One can only ask: where are the indictments? Where, O Trumptard, where?

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    2. What indictments Soros-bot?

      Whatever you've been squealing about, in this and other threads, in this and other blogs, that is justice. Justice, the vengeance, repaid to you by the Creator. For for what Obama, Brennan, Clapper, and Comey did in 2016, for the 51 officials, for the Lincoln project, and for every other project executed by your cult since 2016.

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    3. Always love how the minions of the weird go back to all their old conspiracy theory hits when their boys or fucking things up real bad.

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    4. "Justice, the vengeance, repaid to you by the Creator"

      Gadzooks, Trumptard.

      I was thinking in terms of normal boring earthly justice, like whether anything illegal was done as part of a 'stolen' election.

      But you've migrated to a higher, more divine level. Where everyone's on the team and wears a red ball cap and real courtrooms with real rules of evidence are far, far away.

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    5. Poor Obama, Clapper, and Comey.
      They must be hiding out in one of their many multi-million dollar mansions worrying about what Mao on TDH thinks.

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    6. Yes, karma's a bitch, Soros-bots.

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  17. Is Somerby just discovering the Holocaust or is he trying to minimize or normalize it by comparison to Trump (who is still getting started)? He should actually read Hannah Arendt not just hear about her on TV, then read Masha Gessen and Tim Snyder.

    This “arrival” nonsense is a thinly veiled attempt to pretend the right is not responsible for Trump’s excesses. Trump was born here. He is welcome to self-deport but there may come a time when the law charges him again. Hitler took the coward’s escape.

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    1. Trump's excesses: Goldwater said, "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."

      So, I would say excessive reduction in illegal immigration, excessive wage growth, excessive opposition to antisemitism and racial discrimination, and excessive end to Iran's nuclear weapons are no vices.

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    2. Let’s set a good example by getting rid of our nuclear weapons.

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    3. Deporting citizens is a crime, not an excess.

      On what planet is Trump’s firing of black and female govt employees not discrimination?

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    4. Downsizing or eliminating wasteful or harmful government programs like DEI is not improper discrimination, even if the majority of employees in those programs happen to be black or female. Hiring and promoting based on merit is not discrimination, even if fewer blacks and women get hired and promoted.

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    5. OK Bigot, whatever you say.

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    6. Seriously, how do even you weird and gross bigots condone the Convicted Felon of threatening Mamdani with throwing him out of the country. Just a bunch of sick fuck weirdos. And, shame on you too.

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    7. David is confused. Eliminating DEI is not the same as firing a bunch of people because they are the wrong sex or skin color. When David says women and blacks don't have enough merit what he means is that they have the wrong genitalia or race because there is otherwise no difference in the merit of the most qualified candidates. That's who is being fired -- the female and black managers and officers, the people who were promoted on merit and have worked their way up to the top. They were fired because they remind white men of their insufficiencies.

      In the work world, we don't call that downsizing. We call it shitcanning. The idea that there are no such merit-based promotions is why this is bigotry and not smart personnel management. David is an asshole. They probably threw themselves a party when David retired and didn't invite him.

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    8. If there is anything bigots, like David in Cal are more scared of then black people, it's a merit-based society.

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    9. When Somerby first objected to the appointment of Ketanji Brown Jackson to the Supreme Court, he ignored her strong qualifications to insist that she was not "the most qualified individual in the country" and thus should not hold the job. He didn't advance anyone else's name as "more qualified" but simply insisted she could not be the best candidate and that the best candidate should be sought.

      This is what is wrong with this merit-based argument. Whenever a person is qualified based on merit, the goalposts shift so that however much a woman or black person might deserve a job based on merit (compared to others who have occupied the position previously) they are never quite good enough. That is the bigotry part. As I wrote back when Somerby first raised that complaint against Jackson, she was much more qualified than several of the men currently on the court, who were presumably thought to have sufficient merit for the job (Somerby had no complaint against them).

      There are numerous studies showing that when resumes are reviewed blind (with identifying racial or gender markers removed from them), women are given interviews or hired much more frequently than when the reviewer knows the sex or race of an applicant. No one thinks hiring issues like this are about merit, except bigots.

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    10. Some of us think that having a different life experience and background than others is a basis for hiring because it allows a different perspective. There are studies supporting that idea too. Republicans don't seem to believe in research, which makes it hard to get them to reconsider their prejudices.

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  18. I wasn’t surprised to hear that Abrego Garcia was tortured in detention. That is an excess, illegal, should never have happened. It makes me ashamed of my country. Arrivals didn’t allow this — Trump did.

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  19. Tiedrich shows a photo of people behind wire fences and asks:

    "there are no heroes in the Republican Party. none.

    you would like to think that after the opening of America’s newest concentration camp, at least one elected Republican would stand up and say what the fuck are we doing here?

    but nope, no sirree, that’s not what’s happening. Republicans are embracing this abomination, and falling all over each other in a mad dash to see who can crank the cruelty dial so far past eleven that it snaps off in their hands."

    I didn't expect courage from Republicans but I did expect decency. They have neither, nor do the Republicans who comment here on Somerby's blog, nor does Somerby himself, who blithely talks about Hannah Arendt as if he had no clue people were involved in Hitler's wrongdoing, innocent victims treated in horrible ways. And now that is happening here in our country, and there are crickets everywhere but from the left.

    I never thought this could happen here in my own country, where we are good decent people raised on sound American values -- or were we?

    Hitler's own military staff tried to assasinate him but failed. THEY knew it was wrong. People here know this is wrong too but they go on enabling Trump as if he were just trying to deface Mt. Rushmore and not injuring children and killing old men and torturing the rest while snickering about alligators.

    I am afraid we are never going to live this down, even after we have a sane president again. There is a Holocaust Memorial in Berlin, to remind German citizens what they did. Obviously Trump has never seen it, but what excuse do the rest of you have?

    Who am I talking to? 1. Somerby, 2. DIC, 3. Dogface3, 4. Cecelia, 5. various nameless trolls who call good decent people Sorosbot, 6. Anyone who didn't vote for Harris last year, 7. the white supremacists and misogynists who Somerby attracts like flies to shit, 8. AC/MA who seems to have fallen in with the wrong crowd. You know who you are and what you have been doing. You should be ashamed of what you have done to produce today's mess.

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    1. @6:29 - your reference to the Holocaust offends me. I am emotional about the Holocaust. I lost relatives. When I was at the Holocaust Memorial in Berlin, I couldn't bring myself to walk through it. Not because of what it looks like. It's essentially a bunch of stone pillars. But, because of what it represents.

      Another reason why your comparison to the Holocaust is offensive is that there are people in the world today who really would like to murder all the Jews. Hamas, for example. While you're fantasizing about Trump allegedly connected to the Holocaust, many liberals are not adequately opposing Hamas.

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    2. Fascism isn't so great when the victims are your family, is it David in Cal?
      BTW, I appreciate you making me feel better, by telling me you're offended. Keep that feeling in your heart forever.

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    3. If you are emotional about the Holocaust, get emotional about the concentration campus being built in our own country.

      I walked through the Holocaust Memorial in Berlin, also the Holocaust Museum in Washington DC before Trump messed with it, and I have read Hannah Arendt, books by survivors, and books like Why We Watched, and Hitler's Willing Executioners. The Holocaust Memorial is not just a bunch of stone pillars but the names of those who died are engraved there. They meant something to me, and I assume to you too. It is moving seeing the relatives there finding their family names, just as occurs at the Vietnam War Memorial. Memorials are for remembering, not avoiding.

      If you cannot find any commonality between Jews and Hispanic farmworkers or day laborers or Haitians who fled violence in Haiti, or any of the many other immigrants who came to our country long before there were closed borders or legally seeking asylum, or who are naturalized citizens but now being threatened by Trump, then what good is your concern about Jews. We are all members of a global community that depends on each other for survival. Have you forgotten that the United Nations established Israel in the aftermath of Jewish persecution in Europe? Are you now willing to sit by while Trump persecutes his own victims, caring solely about Jews and Gaza? After WWII, do you think more war is the solution to world peace?

      Trump doesn't care about Jews. He cares about winning a Nobel Prize for ending Middle Eastern conflict, except his approach to attaining peace is to appease Putin/Iran, the Saudis, and manipulating Netanyahu to do their bidding to attain ceasefires that are largely surrenders of Jewish and Palestinian interests. Trump only cares about himself and his interests are not aligned with yours (or the Evangelicals who want to see the apocalypse in their own lifetimes). Trump is evil because he doesn't care about anyone else, not Melania, not Barron, not his country, just himself. You are a fool to think it will help Jews to promote Trump's agenda. Hamas is a pawn in a much larger game. The Palestinians are victims, just as the Jews in that region are.

      Meanwhile, you seem to be ignoring what is going on here in the USA. Bad things are happening. If you think they won't touch you and yours, you are wrong. Germans thought that and learned differently.

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    4. I am related to Hispanic people who were born in this country. Back in the 1970s I worked with job training programs in the midwest, assisting migrants to leave farmworking and get factory and service jobs. This was assisted by grants authorized by Richard Nixon, then president. I worked with city planners and manpower planners to do this, interfacing with other local services. These people were not criminals or deviants or gang members but families supporting themselves as assimilating to American culture in Hispanic neighborhoods. Many volunteered to serve in Vietnam, and I recall that they were proud to drive Chevys because they were built in America. These people are not as Trump portrays them and it breaks my heart to see them behind wire in cages.

      Now the Hispanic neighborhoods are living in fear. People are afraid to leave their homes to shop for groceries, afraid to send their kids to school, torn between needing income to live and fear of going to work. This is true of all of us with Spanish surnames, even those of us who were born citizens. No one should be made to feel like this, but this is what a police state is like. I recommend the film Penguin Lessons for a glimpse of it in Argentina.

      With his concentration camps, Trump has made us into a third-world country. He is destroying an essential part of our workforce and creating divisions between those from European countries and those from the rest of the world (which is a much larger place). In California, we are proud of our historical and cultural connection to Mexico. Trump comes from NY, so he does not understand that. But each place in our country has been touched by immigrants from outside the USA, who have created the flavor of local life, whether My Antonia or Los Californios. There is nothing more special about Trump's German heritage compared to Irish immigrants in Boston, Chicago, San Francisco or Norwegians and Swedes in MN and WI or Italians in NYC. I highly recommend watching the film Cabrini, to see what Italian immigrants went through before becoming someone like Giuliani who scorns his ancestors.

      David is attached to his Jewish heritage. Why is that more special than our heritage? There should be no camps and no deportations, especially of legal immigrants and naturalized citizens. Next on Trump's list will be native citizens who he will target just because he can, if we let him. Please don't let him.

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    5. But there aren't any concentration camps being built in America.

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    6. concentration camp definition: "a place where large numbers of people, especially political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities, are deliberately imprisoned in a relatively small area with inadequate facilities, sometimes to provide forced labor or to await mass execution. "
      Oxford Dictionary

      Alligator Auschwitz is one such camp now being built in FL by Ron DeSantis. There are detention facilities that meet this definition all over the country. Abrego Garcia and others have been kept in Louisiana. There are camps in TX and Denver. Depriving the public of info about the location of camps and who is kept where is part of the mistreatment of detainees by ICE.

      The prisons in El Salvador, Guantanamo, Sudan are concentration camps that meet this definition. Denying that such camps exist sounds like a troll lie.

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    7. @7:35 - I have a serious request. Would you post a comment listing the differences between the German concentration camps and Alligator Auschwitz?

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    8. 8:08 that definition does not fit the air conditioned Florida detention center of which we speak. It may deserve some kind of scrutiny but calling them concentration camps is not accurate and may be another failed rhetorical gambit like trying to label Trump Hitler or his supporters racists. Another gift that you have wrapped up in a shiny shiny package with a big beautiful bow and solemnly laid at the feet of President Trump.

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    9. Between 1933 and 1945, Nazi Germany established tens of thousands of camps. These included a variety of types of camps for different purposes. Early camps built before the war were more primitive and less specialized than later ones.

      Some were relocation camps. Hitler had a goal to make each country in Europe ethnically pure. Hitler used the train system to ship people to other countries where he felt they were ethnically more suited, because they were not true Germans. He had a ranking system for nationalities, for example placing Poles above Russians in desirability. We tend to think it was white people against brown people or Jews, but Hitler and the Nazis made fine discriminations among white people in Europe, preferring Aryan (Scandinavian and Northern German) and discriminating against Slavic people for example.

      Some camps were to hold political dissidents, including Communists, members of opposition parties, those who spoke out (such as priests talking against Hitler in their sermons), gays (aka sexual deviants), decadent artists (aka modern artists), performers, academics, those who irked him in any way. Dachau was built for that purpose, although people were made to suffer and died there as a result of mistreatment, that was not the main purpose of detaining them. It was to instill fear in others so they would go along with his demands.

      There were forced labor camps used to staff factories important to the war effort and to generate money by supplyig labor for pay to factory owners. The people were kept in camps, went to work each day, then back to the camp. They were poorly fed, overworked, and when they got sick or injured, they were discarded. Many died.

      Zigeunerlager were gypsy camps. Roma people (also called Travellers elsewhere in Europe) were rounded up and put in such camps. They are among those who were murdered in the Holocaust.

      POW camps. These housed members of the military captured during battle or when they parachuted from planes shot down during bombing raids. See the film The Great Escape for an example.

      Jews were put in two types of camps, transit camps and collection camps, where they were removed from populated areas and held. Transit camps later led to a third type of camp, extermination camps. Some included trucking Jews to the countryside, shooting them and putting them in mass graves. That method was considered too slow and costly, so extermination camps involving gas chambers were built, such as Auschwitz (where Anne Frank and her sister died).

      Here is more detail, including maps and functions: https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/nazi-camps

      "There were also many other types of Nazi detention sites, including ghettos; Gestapo prisons; youth detention camps; prisons and penitentiaries; and Germanization facilities. Furthermore, there were killing sites that did not function as camps. These included the “euthanasia” T4 killing centers, where the Nazis murdered people with disabilities.

      Additionally, Nazi Germany’s allies and collaborators administered camps and other detention sites. These included camps and ghettos in the Transnistria Governorate where Romanian authorities imprisoned Jews; transit ghettos for Jews in Hungary run by Hungarian officials; internment camps such as Gurs and Les Milles run by French authorities; camps such as Jasenovac in the Independent State of Croatia; and internment camps in Slovakia."

      Please follow the link for more details.

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    10. Cont.

      How is Alligator Alcatraz different? First, it is described as a concentration camp used to round up and keep people before they are shipped elsewhere. That makes it similar to the German transit camps and holding camps. It is not an extermination camp where people are held to be killed. However, the language being used by Trump about alligators eating prisoners introduces a sadistic and callous tone that is like that of the various camps where prisoners were killed in Germany. There were many of them. They were spartan (like the pictures of the Alligator camp) because they didn't expect the people to be around for long. The remarks and especially the jokes being made by Republicans about this new camp is what makes it seem like Auschwitz.
      There are already people who have died in Trump's other detention facilities. There are many who have been sick or injured without medical attention. Food and facilities are bad, as in the German camps (excluding the POW camp which was subject to regulations concerning the treatment of prisoners who might later be exchanged for German POWs who wished for good treatment in Allied hands). The density of people in cells, the lack of food, water, bathroom facilities, the arbitrary infliction of pain via torture, the heat, lack of clothing and sanitation, lack of supervision to prevent bullying, and so on are all similar to Germany's treatment of prisoners in camps. I saw the stacks of bunks floor to ceiling in cells when I visited Dachau, just like that shown in the El Salvador prison where Trump is sending detainees.
      Things done to prisoners in Dachau included: (1) prisoners were made to stand for long periods in the heat, (2) prisoners were made to dig holes and then fill them up again, then dig them again, for hours, (3) cells had heat but it was used in the summmer, not the winter as intended. I'm sure there were less routine atrocities, but these are not visible when looking at photos, like those of Alligator Alcatraz.
      Our courts are supposed to oversee prisoner treatment. I doubt that will happen give the current court's willingness to appease Trump.
      If you are attempting to point out that Auschwitz is not Alcatraz, you are currently correct, but neither were the German camps extermination camps prior to the war. They become that as Hitler was able to implement his master plan (see Mein Kampf). Trump has been getting worse with his detention activities. He shows no regard for life or health of his prisoners and he doesn't care who he sends where. That makes Trump very much like Hitler, especially in his determination to rid the USA of certain people. Any camp that someone is placed in without due process is a violation of our Constitution and of human rights, especially in the light of the slippery slope that Hitler danced down in Germany. We need to stop this while we can.

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    11. Sorry for lack of breaks -- they were in my Word document but got omitted when I pasted it here.

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    12. I want breaks, not excuses.

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    13. Next time, I promise.

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    14. anon 6:29 - you're pretty dense, but so are many. You seem to be advocating for the assassination of Trump, perhaps unwittingly. You say i seem to have fallen in with the wrong crowd. What crowd is that? What facts do you base that on? for what it's worth, I voted for Harris, and I happen to suffer from TDS. I don''t get the sense that you are able to apply reason with any significant degree of skill.

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    15. And yet you only attack liberals here.

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    16. 7:07 I visited the Holocaust Museum in Berlin and was impresśed with the extent that the Germans publicly acknowledged their ancestors as murderers at that site. They exhibited accountability. Compare that to your leader and his squad who are hell bent on renaming military sites after traitors whose motivation in their war against this country was to win the right to own people. As far as your comments about Hamas: they are to be condemned as are the Israelis who pick off teenagers with snipers at food distribution sites currently.

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    17. 9:06,
      The Republican voter you claimed wasn't a bigot, turned out to be a paper mache puppet.
      Nice try, though.

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  20. So you condemn me as one of those responsible for the institution of concentration camps in America. And you don't think that this accusation, just maybe, might be a tad over the top?

    Which of my comments did it, do you think? Perhaps it was when I questioned your rationality? Was that it? Or was it when I questioned your sanity?

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    1. As we used to say in the 1960s, if you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem. I haven't seen you do anything that even looks remotely like being part of the solution.

      Here are things Republicans could be doing:
      1. Write to your Congress representatives and express dismay over concentration camps, etc.
      2. Change your voter registration and support better people with your votes and money.
      3. Express some outrage here about what has been happening instead of sniping at those who ARE objecting.
      4. Go out and march. There will be more demonstrations like the No-Kings march. These attract a wide range of people with various ideas.
      5. Donate to an organization that tries to help those caught up in ICE raids and the immigration terror campaign. The ones who are citizens need lawyers and the families torn apart need practical help keeping their kids fed after a legal resident father is kidnapped.
      6. Talk to your friends and relatives about what is happening and why it is wrong.
      7. Donate to the ACLU and various other groups bringing lawsuits to limit what Trump is doing through the courts. To date, such groups have won 95% of their cases because Trump is doing illegal things.
      8. Stop supporting assholes like Somerby who are not only part of the problem but part of the right wing noise machine that sustains Trump's cult.

      I would bet real money you have done none of these things. That failure permits evil to thrive, so yes, you are responsible for the institution of concentration camps in America. And no, I don't think I am over the top with this.

      "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

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    2. Dogface George,
      You're only responsible for the institution of concentration camps in America, if you didn't vote for Trump.

      Signed,
      The Mainstream Media and Bob Somerby

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    3. 7:20 - You seem to labor under the misapprehension that I’m a Republican. You’re even more delusional than I realized.

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    4. If you behave like a Republican, others will make the same mistake. Calling yourself "liberal" as Somerby does or "not Republican" as you seem to be doing, is a label that is contradicted by your behavior, as Somerby contradicts his own claims over and over. I don't care what you want to call yourself (Cecelia calls herself female), it is your behavior that matters.

      Examine your own conscience against the list of things you could be doing if you are against concentration camps in the USA. Then try to make them align, but you don't need to give us progress reports or defensive denials. Be part of the solution.

      Calling me delusional or crazy because I don't believe the same things as you do isn't helping anything. It just looks like hostility and I consider that kind of hostility to be a right wing phenomenon. More of the aggressive vengeful attitude that Trump displays daily, that has created a climate of fear. Leave me alone and write your own comments, expressing your own views, if you disagree with me. But as I said, I have not seen you do anything to help prevent concentration camps in our country, or otherwise keep Trump from ruining our nation.

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    5. Out of the blue you accuse me of putting people in concentration camps, and then you whine and whinny when I respond?

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    6. DG, I wrote my comments today and then you came along with YOUR whining, trying to pick a fight, which is what you always do. You seem to be unwilling to express any actual opinions, so NO, you have been doing nothing to oppose concentration camps in the US. Obviously, I never said you were a guard or ICE agent or anyone who actually puts people into such camps, but you know that you have said nothing opposing them. Perhaps you think that is unnecessary, but take a look around you at the political climate. Congress just passed a bill funding greatly expanded ICE operations. What do you think that is about?

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  21. BTW, I’m a life-long liberal Democrat.

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    1. Democrat is as Democrat does. I don't believe you, but so what? Go out and do something useful for the cause. You are obstructing here.

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  22. Oh, you caught me! I confess: Ever since 2015 I’ve been paid by Putin to pretend I’m a Democrat so that I can use affinity fraud to convince gullible liberals like you to support Trump. Now I’m living high on the hog with all the millions I’ve been raking in converting Somerby’s Anons to Trumpers!

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    1. I think it is more likely that you are Somerby using a fake nym. No one else would be so dedicated to his defense. Unfortunately, you do it without engaging in anything anyone here says (me but also others) and instead call names and demand quotes. We all have the same access to what Somerby has said here, including use of his search engine on the archives.

      Usually I quote Somerby. Sometimes I paraphrase and sometimes I refer to what we have all heard Somerby say year after year. When I listed my quotes you dismissed all of them as not saying what I said. That made the effort useless, so I don't do that any more.

      I have also said that I have no idea why Somerby writes what he does. I have listed my reasons for thinking he is no liberal, and also point them out each time I say that he is supporting the right.

      There are plenty of Russia funded bots and trolls, also social media influencers working to support Trump. I don't believe anyone would pay them to do that if it didn't help Trump get elected/reelected. Somerby fits the profile of the guys who have been proven to have taken cash (mid-level comedians with a following). Your sarcasm doesn't change the fact that this kind of thing has happened elsewhere, so why not here?

      But it ultimately doesn't matter. My goal is to correct disinformation where I find it. Today, DIC has been arguing that the Alligator camp isn't so bad, nothing like what Hitler did, and that comparisons of Trump to Hitler are an insult to Jews. What have you done today to help people understand what Trump is doing with his camps?

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    2. I’m flattered that you think I’m Somerby, but like always, you’re wrong again. You may wish to take a remedial reading course because you seem incapable of drawing a correct inference from what you read.

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    3. Somerby is much nicer than I am. I would have booted your ass out of these comments years ago.

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    4. I also would have made everyone use nyms. That alone would improve the quality of this comment section.

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    5. Like it improves yours?

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    6. I'd make them identify the Republican voter who isn't a bigot. That alone would keep them too busy to post their bullshit here.

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  23. This is why Trump's people are like Nazis. Laura Loomer says:

    "“Alligator lives matter. The good news is, alligators are guaranteed at least 65 million meals if we get started now.”

    65 million. that’s an interesting number — because it’s not the number of immigrants in America. it’s the number of Latinos living in America.

    ethnic cleansing, much?

    Laura Loomer wants to throw every brown-skinned person to the gators, be they documented, undocumented, or — for fuck’s sake! — natural-born citizens.

    and this woman is an official advisor to America’s Mad King."

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  24. The concentration camp accusations are a way for herd liberals to soothe the pain of yet another enormous political defeat.

    They are trolling Twitter with exact same language as this one here is. Psychologically, it gives them a sense of power at a time when they have none.

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    1. Camps where they will concentrate Latinos are not Latino concentration camps. Checks out man.

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    2. I saw what Hitler did to Jews and was horrified. Then I read some things from David in Cal, and now I completely understand why Hitler had to do what he did.

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  25. WORLD — Millions of people instantly died today after the Big, Beautiful Bill passed Congress.

    Mere moments after the deciding vote was cast, a horrific tragedy played out across the world as throngs of humans immediately dropped dead.

    "They tried to warn us," sighed Speaker Mike Johnson, surveying the carnage. "They tried to tell us that this would kill everyone, but we didn't listen. How foolish I was! Curse you, Big, Beautiful Bill!"

    At publishing time, death squads had begun hunting down Medicaid patients, just as Democrats had warned.

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    1. The cuts are real, and were conveniently timed to hit mostly after the midterms. So laugh it up, idiot.

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  26. What if the Republican voter who knows something about economics turns out to be the same exact Republican voter who isn't a bigot?
    That would be crazy.

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