TUESDAY, JULY 8, 2025
Medicaid meets The Five: Every fourth Tuesday, we lose the bulk of the day to our ongoing medical mission.
This is that fourth Tuesday! For that reason, we won't be posting until late this afternoon. Meanwhile, our question is this:
Now that the GOP megabill has passed into law, what's going to happen with respect to Medicaid coverage?
In yesterday's report, we showed you some—though not yet all—of what was said last Wednesday on The Five. What else was said on that high profile show? And how can anyone actually know what the actual truth might be?
Our American discourse is a shambles, a Babel—a mess. We'll profile that problem all this week. In our view, this endemic, existential problem is vastly underreported, vastly underdiscussed.
ReplyDeleteIt will be more difficult for the illegals to get enrolled in Medicaid, what else? And that's, of course, the end of the world.
Are people using the term "illegals" to designate any immigrant? To my knowledge, no one is checking immigration status in hospitals. Just ability to pay for treatment.
DeleteWhat happens when a person goes to an ER and can't pay for treatment? The hospital eats the cost. They are required by law to treat whoever needs it, regardless of ability to pay. What happens when Medicaid absorbs part of the costs? Hospital gets reimbursed for the treatment costs and that enables them to stay in business and serve the rest of the community, so each of us can count on having a hospital within a reasonable distance to go to.
That is why it is better to cover people using a mechanism such as Medicaid than to let chronically ill homeless, drug users, poor and unemployed and transient people bankrupt clinics and hospitals.
Trump and the Republicans are fucking around with our economic systems for coping with various situations. Such as what happens when there are two planes attempting to land at the same airport, and what happens when it is hurricane season in Florida, and what happens when young children are not vaccinated for routine childhood diseases such as measles. They are going to have to learn the hard way why such systems were developed in the first place. They have apparently forgotten what it was like when banks failed and there was cholera in the wells. They could have learning by reading about the past, but stupid people have to do stupid things to learn, apparently. Soon enough they will find out that robber barons don't make good presidents, but it may be too late for the unlucky by then.
Remember what happened when singer Bessie Smith went to the ER and was turned away because she was black? She died.
DeleteWhy are Republicans so eager to let people die just to save a bit of money?
DeleteThe Democrat party will pay for illegals' healthcare, I'm sure. The Soros and Biden Families will pay most of it.
DeleteYou people so funny weird crying about how we spend money while supporting a billionaire to cut taxes on very rich people. He has to work "really hard" to cajole a bunch of millionaires to get them to lower their own taxes. Two men have more wealth than 170 million other folks. But they got the rubes fighting over the fucking scraps, using their tired racist bullshit gambit. Like Daddy says, you are all suckers and losers.
DeleteWe support all tax cuts, 11:15 Soros-bot. We're are not gluttonous for other peoples' money, like you are.
DeleteYour are taking up the ass for the benefit of your wealthy betters 11:20. The cuts are not targeted for you. They are for your betters. But they like you dumb ones, happy to get screwed as long as folks in the caste below get screwed harder. They like 'em dumb, they like 'em poorly educated, they like folks prone to cult worship. You play their game well.
DeleteBoo-hoo, revolutionary Soros-bot.
DeleteGo expropriate George Soros, and then we'll talk.
Soros has used his wealth to help a lot of people world-wide. Soros-bot is a compliment.
Delete@11:59 doesn’t know what expropriate means.
DeleteLike I said, Soros-bot: when you expropriate George Soros, we can talk. Until then, your complaints about the rich are bullshit.
DeleteI can’t expropriate George Soros. He pays my salary.
DeleteBummer.
DeleteUndocumented immigrants already could not receive Medicaid benefits, nor most benefits offered by the US government.
DeleteThis is despite the fact that immigrants contribute over a hundred billion dollars towards government revenue every year, immigrants being the backbone and lifeblood of our economy (and having much lower crime rates than native born citizens).
The ignorance on display from Republicans is breathtaking.
In reality, there is very little waste, fraud, or abuse in Medicaid (or Medicare or Social Security), and what little there is, is perpetrated by PROVIDERS, not beneficiaries.
You know, providers like Rick Scott, the Senator from Florida who was responsible for the largest Medicare fraud in history.
In reality, about 30% of all healthcare costs in the US go to the mere administration of private health insurance, whereas public healthcare provided by the government has an operating cost of 2% - far more efficient.
DeleteThere's no such thing as "undocumented immigrant", idiot-Democrat. Because immigrant is someone with an immigrant visa.
What you're talking about is illegal invader or illegal migrant. Someone who violated immigration laws, and is a subject to deportation because of that.
@1:36 You oversimplify. US immigration is way more complicated than you describe.
DeleteHere. Educate yourself.
Squeal louder, 1:36.
DeleteLet everyone laugh at your predicament equally.
Cultists like 1:36 are incapable of comprehending nuance, complicating factors, etc.
DeleteEveryone knows this flash flood wasn't Trump's fault in anyway, shape or form. Wait for another disaster to try to nail Trump because this one is not going sway anyone except you Democrats with TDS.
ReplyDeleteThey call me "Climate Change", because I don't give a fuck about your feelings.
DeleteSelf hate and low self-esteem are a hell of a drug.
DeleteDear Leader was busy providing comfort to the afflicted:
Delete"... The website DidTrumpGolfToday.com tracks the president’s golfing trips and adds to the estimated cost. And after the weekend, the president has now golfed 40 out of the first 169 days — 23.7% — of his second term.
The cost for those golfing trips?
Well, the bill to taxpayers is now estimated to be at a whopping $56 million."
I mean those afflicted with high handicaps. Remember I will be too busy as President to play gold? Good times.
Play golf
DeleteCorrect. It is 100% on idiot TX Republicans and their idiot voters. This is the umpteenth deadly flash flood in TX hill country this past century. Several featuring killing campers! Put in an early warning system? Oh hell no, that would cost taxpayers a few dollars each. We'd rather die before we pay for that shit. So bless all your all hearts, and quit bitching. You made your bed. Let the dead children lie in it
DeleteI told global warming to fuck your feelings and all I got was climate change.
DeleteTrump does not know what the fuck he is doing.
DeleteHaving said that, Trump is absolutely responsible for the deaths in Texas, as well as for hiding the fact that he was a client of Epstein, and for cutting benefits to Americans in order to fund tax cuts for the wealthy.
Jesus is punishing the felon for reopening coal mines.
DeleteThe sooner Bob shuts this blog down, the better.
ReplyDeleteI am Corby.
No, you are obviously not Corby. Your comments are too short.
DeleteLaughing at dead Texans who voted for this, is the least we could do.
ReplyDeleteTed Cruz likes to laugh at dead Californian's. Only fair play to laugh at dead Texans.
DeleteSo, laugh, Soros-bot. Nobody cares about your laughing or about the excuses you're making.
DeleteWhat are the excuses? Do explain.
DeleteSqueal louder, Mao.
DeleteFor the sake of the children.
Mao is dead, long live Mao. Apparently you got nothin.
Delete3:29,
DeleteSqueal louder, Soros-bot.
I’m not gargantuan, like Hunter Biden’s penis the Right is in love with, but I got enough for all of us.
Rain is woke.
ReplyDeleteWho knew?
All of my comments are lies.
ReplyDelete"And how can anyone actually know what the actual truth might be?"
ReplyDeleteYou can read the bill here:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/1/text
On Monday, Somerby said:
ReplyDelete"Tomorrow: What Compagno said"
Today (Tuesday), Somerby says:
"This is that fourth Tuesday! For that reason, we won't be posting until late this afternoon. Meanwhile, our question is this:
Now that the GOP megabill has passed into law, what's going to happen with respect to Medicaid coverage?"
I assume that Somerby knew on Monday that he would have a medical appointment today, so why make a promise he probably won't keep?
And probably we won't hear anything from Somerby about those cuts to the weather service and their connection to the inadequate warnings ahead of the flooding in TX which resulted in over 100 deaths.
Is Somerby on Medicaid? Maybe he would like to tell us about his own healthcare situation? He most likely has health care connected to his teacher pension, or perhaps his inheritance was large enough to let him buy whatever plan he wants. I doubt he will be examining Medicaid and the bill from the perspective of someone who truly cannot afford health care. So what can he say that is important today? Maybe he will muse about whether self-cannibals should get treatment for self-inflicted wounds, although people who attempt suicide or those who have drug overdoses are treated in ERs.
Those who think immigrants shouldn't receive treatment in hospitals are perhaps not aware that you can break a leg while visiting London, have it treated in hospital there and go home without a bill, not paying a single cent.
Somerby didn't establish any coherent point yesterday so why expect one today?
Somerby keeps hinting that he has some chronic condition that is being treated on a regular basis. So far, I haven't heard him express any gratitude that he has such health care, nor any expression of thanks to his doctors and nurses. Maybe he is planning to thank those in Congress for cutting the ability of others to access health care when they need it? Anything is possible.
Emily Compagno, another youngish female host on Fox News, seems like an easy target for Somerby. She is trying to attract attention by saying outrageous things. She may be the reason Tarlov is not on Fox recently, but so what? Do we need another sexist attack on women on cable news shows when Somerby has no idea how to figure out what is in the bill about Medicaid?
DeleteYes.
DeleteLet's see. If Compagno is saying outrageous things for which Somerby is attacking her, then is he carrying out 'another sexist attack on women on cable news"?
Delete"I assume that Somerby knew on Monday that he would have a medical appointment today, so why make a promise he probably won't keep?"
DeleteDunno. Why don't you nag him to death about it?
Hey man, Somerby is on it today!!!
DeleteOur comments get results.
DeleteAs it stands, can illegals get Medicaid? No, except for sick children and pregnant women:
ReplyDelete"Generally, undocumented immigrants are not eligible for traditional Medicaid or the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP).
However, there are exceptions and state-specific programs.
Emergency Medicaid: Undocumented immigrants may receive coverage for emergency medical services if they meet other eligibility requirements.
State-funded programs: Some states provide health coverage to certain immigrant groups, including some undocumented individuals, particularly children and pregnant people. These programs are not Medicaid. Specific states offering coverage to children, adults, or pregnant people regardless of immigration status are listed in the provided documents.
Prenatal care: Some states use a CHIP option to provide prenatal care and pregnancy-related benefits to low-income children from conception, regardless of the parent's immigration status. "
Prenatal care prevents birth defects and threats to the life of the mother resulting from pregnancy by identifying treatable conditions in the mother.
DeleteWhy is is a big deal to exclude Migrants from Medicaid when they're already excluded? One reason is political: criticize everything Trump does. Also, IIRC I read that the current law isn't being followed. Migrants are being given health care because there's no enforcement. It's safer for an administrator to provide the health care to all needy people without checking.
DeleteNow that it's doubly illegal to give free health care to migrants, will migrants really be excluded from Medicaid? IMO that's difficult, because the states administer Medicaid, not the Feds.
I think we should just let them die.
DeleteDon't worry, Carry and I will pay for it. Nothing to worry about.
DeleteLet who die?
DeleteBillions of residents of the Third World are dying because of lack of medical care. Should we give them all free medical care? Of course that's impossible. Why should we giver priority to the ones who violate our laws?
All of them, David, because helping others in need is woke, especially if they’re illegal, despite what the Bible says.
DeleteRiC - All of whom? The entire world's poor?
DeleteBible talks to you Soros-bot, not to the government. So, feel free to use your own money helping anyone you want.
DeleteEIGHT BILLION PEOPLE ARE DYING ALL OVER THE WORLD DAVID!!! Also too, you a nasty fascist tool.
DeleteYes, David. All of them. The ending of USAID is helping with the dying.
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DeleteThank God good-decent Soros-bots like yourself send all their money to help the world's poor, so USAID is not necessary.
By extension, we in CA shouldn’t help TX because they are not us. It doesn’t work that way. We are all one people, interdependent on the same planet, so we need and help each other. We don’t attack Canada and we don’t let poor eople die to accumulate wealth.
DeleteThe govt is more efficient at coordinating aid than individuals are.
DeleteYou know who's efficient at coordinating things, Soros-bot? Private business. Government can't coordinate shit.
DeletePrivate business is too greedy to help others.
DeleteSo all the Republicans with their giant fucking crosses laying their hands on Daddy while taking in tongues are not promoting Jesus as Republican spoxowrson. Got it.
DeleteMedicaid/care has about two/three percent overhead. Private insurance 25%. Fact free as usual. And I love how R's always lay WF&Abuse on recipients, never mentioning the Billions that now Senator Rick Scott's firm stole from taxpayers. There's your fucking waste fraud and abuse weirdos. And why the fuck has Scott not paid a smidgen for his crimes? Republican voters are so moronic
DeleteProject 2025 wants 7.2 billion folks to DIE DiC. It's all part of the plan, man. Daddy has it in the bag
DeleteDickhead in Cal, can't King Trump just send the Marines in to these scofflaw state hospitals? They are not carrying those automatic weapons for nothing you know. Or how about sending in the mounted and masked ICE goon squad. That ought to scare those woke doctors.
DeleteMedicaid is 100% overhead, Soros-bot. 100% expense, 0% revenue.
DeleteAlso, probably the largest source of fraud, with billions lost to fraud every year. Some efficiency.
dumb fuck maggot @1:26 pm doesn't know what the definition of overhead is. This is why it is futile to engage with these troglodyte maggots. who's your daddy, fuck face?
Delete1:26,
DeleteSuck it up, buttercup.
Just happy when the next pandemic strikes migrants won't have health care access, cause these diseases don't spread person to person.
DeleteDiC: "Why is is a big deal to exclude Migrants from Medicaid when they're already excluded?"
DeleteI'll tell you why it's a big deal, David. There are many voices on the right--including the CSPAN caller Our Host has quoted a couple of times--who assure us that the $800B in planned "savings" from "reforming and protecting" Medicaid will be achieved by prohibiting something that is already prohibited. That's just not going to happen.
So that leaves two other possibilities: 1) the proposed savings will never materialize and the budget deficit will be even worse than expected, or 2) Medicaid cuts will affect American citizens including people who already work or those whose medical conditions prevent them from working.
Speaker Johnson, among others, has touted the bill as a way to "protect Medicare for those who really need it." But if we can't achieve their projected savings by denying benefits to people who don't actually get them, Johnson and House Republicans are lying right in our faces.
Don't forget all the savings they are counting on getting from kicking all those millions of 25-30 yr old dude bros hanging out in their mother's basement playing video games off of Medicaid and out into the real world and learn how to steal from the public like hard working republicans.
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DeleteWhat a stupid comment, 3:41. What's in the law is written in the law; either your imaginary your horror scenarios are there or they aren't. And if the savings is a fake number, then every other number is a fake number. Either you accept the estimates or you don't.
Also, the fact that illegals were typically ineligible to enroll doesn't mean that there wasn't (before this bill) a bunch of loopholes allowing them to enroll.
"Don't forget all the savings they are counting on getting from kicking all those millions of 25-30 yr old dude bros" are young and healthy, likely not on Medicaide unless in real bad shape - i.e. permanent disability. That age group is not much of an expense to taxpayers.
DeleteHealth care providers are required to treat everyone who needs it, regardless of immigration status or ability to pay. The question is not whether such people will be treated but who will pay for it. With Medicaid, the govt reimburses the health care provider. Without it, the hospital must absorb the costs itself. This can bankrupt hospitals and then there will be no services for anyone.
DeletePeople who are illegal will stay away from hospitals if they think they are checking immigration status and coordinating with ICE. That is why hospitals do not check immigration status before providing care. They do not want people who need treatment to avoid it, get sicker (and require a great deal more expensive treatment later) or die. People who go into medicine as a career do not want to see people die when they can help it.
If you are on vacay and get into a car accident in Mexico, don't you want the hospital to patch you up? Why would they do that if everyone everywhere takes the attitude that only citizens matter and if you can't write them a check, fuck you.
@3:58 The new "Beautiful Bill" doesn't just affect so-called "illegals." It also denies green card holders from buying subsidized insurance on ACA marketplaces.
DeleteBut you go ahead and tell yourself that the cuts will only affect people you don't like and that it will add up the way Miraculous Johnson says it will.
Bad decision IMO. I.R.S. Says Churches Can Endorse Candidates From the Pulpit
ReplyDeleteIn a court filing, the tax agency said a decades-old ban on campaigning by tax-exempt groups should not apply to houses of worship speaking to their own members.
How in "God's" name does that ruling change a fucking thing?, David?
DeleteHey David, what did you think of the SSA email sucking Trump's balls?
DeleteYes, Soros-bot, to people who pay taxes, 6K deduction is a big deal.
DeleteYou only get it if you report less than $75,000. Not much help to those in middle class.
DeleteNot "less than $75,000", dumbass. It starts phasing out at 75k, 150k for couples.
DeleteToo complicated for retarded Democrats, I know.
my objections
Delete1. It's the principle of the thing. It reverses a decades-old ban on campaigning by tax-exempt group.
2. The decision only allows a group of endorse a candidate, but IMO it will go beyond. If you endorse a candidate, you have to say why. This opens the door to taking a position on issues.
I looked it up, and it sounds like "from the pulpit" is the essential part of it. You can endorse a candidate from the pulpit, but you can't produce any ads, have signs outside, etc.
DeleteIn other words, you can't campaign, you can only verbally express your opinion inside the church during a service.
They already do, may Jerry Falwell burn in hell.
DeleteThis Sorosbot wonders why you think it is OK to allow this admin to destroy the full faith and credit of the United States government by exploding the deficit by not taxing those who can afford it. And let's see, 6,000 x the annual average tax rate for Seniors of .057 = $342. Thank you so much Daddy!!! This will help pay a fraction of my tariff tax.
DeleteDickhead in Cal, the Jewish Zionist atheist who votes religiously for the Christo-fascist theocracy, has some thoughts on the IRS waving through the maggots in the pulpits.
Delete"average tax rate", Soros-bot?
DeleteAverage number of brain cells inside Soros-bot skull is zero.
What's orange chickenshit's tax rate, maggot-breath?
DeleteChurches should pay taxes.
DeleteFacts are hard on Daddy's cult members. Sad.
DeleteDavid and the other moron are trolls, they are only here to trigger you.
DeleteBest to label them as trolls and otherwise ignore them, anything else is just enabling them.
Small towns are being hammered with fake xtian churches filling up old strip malls. Tax cheat churches should first be required to talk about what Jesus actually is quoted in the Bible saying (they skip the nice Jesusy messages like he was an illegal immigrant and we should be kind and accepting to these people), and they should pay their fucking taxes as Jesus commanded.
DeleteDiC: "This opens the door to taking a position on issues."
DeleteNo, it doesn't "open the door." That's a door that was never closed. Churches have never been prohibited from taking a position on issues. That's what churches do.
Well at least the Quaker Church comments are based on Christ's values, unlike megachurch un-Christ like hate for the others
DeleteThe cult leaders love folks like 12:40; too stupid to do the maths.
DeleteWhether Democrats are giving illegal immigrants healthcare or not is beside the point.
ReplyDeleteEveryone will agree they do, if it means Right-wingers cry more.
Hearing the squeals of Right-wingers crying because they aren’t getting enough bigotry is hilarious.
ReplyDeleteIf rain hired illegal immigrants, like the Fortune 1000 does, Trump and the Republican Party would give rain a huge tax break, too.
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