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http://www.m...Check out this Mother Jones article:<br /><br />http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/mass-shootings-map<br /><br />With 44 of the 62 mass shootings by whites, we have a percentage of just above 70%, a bit *less* than percentage of whites for the general population of the US as a whole.<br /><br />Golly! They were wrong! Very wrong!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-21116658747210842612013-04-03T06:24:44.066-04:002013-04-03T06:24:44.066-04:00"If you want to be upset that the sisters sai..."If you want to be upset that the sisters said something naughty about white people, knock yourself out."<br /><br />I'm not naturally inclined to think about it like this, that it was a slight "against whites". I am more inclined to ask if what they said was actually true or not. About whether "almost all" recent mass shootings being commited by white males. About whether it's poor journalism or worse.<br /><br />Your comments here, as well as the example of poor journalism offered, play right into the complaint about the left that they see the world through a prism of race and gender. <br /><br />Why does race even matter? We can talk about that if some think it important, but on the way to that if you set_it_up with an *assumption* having little basis in fact then I think this reveals that prism. And is poor lournalism. <br /><br />I think these are valid points.<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-34515293908302902282013-04-03T00:43:33.602-04:002013-04-03T00:43:33.602-04:00No, you think about it. As I said, NOT. THE. POINT...No, you think about it. As I said, NOT. THE. POINT.<br /><br />If you want to be upset that the sisters said something naughty about white people, knock yourself out. When the DC Sniper and Lee Boyd Malvo and Nidal Hassan were in the news, was there any discussion about their race, cultural background, or religion? My recollection is there was.<br /><br />When the shooter is James Holmes, does anybody (other than the naughty sisters) ask what this tells us about white people?Quaker in a Basementnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-54166826812755359902013-04-02T21:51:53.921-04:002013-04-02T21:51:53.921-04:00Sigh, I just posted the link to the dataset below:...Sigh, I just posted the link to the dataset below: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data <br /><br />Here are all the mass shootings that occurred during the Obama presidency, which I think is a fair definition of "recent years":<br /><br />8 white names: Adam Lanza, Andrew Engeldinger, Wade Michael Page, James Holmes, Ian Stawicki, Scott Dekraai (I think he's white?), Jared Loughner, Robert Stewart<br /><br />7 nonwhite names: One Goh, Jeong Soo Paek, Jiverly Wong, Omar Thornton, Maurice Clemmons, Nidal Malik Hasan, Eduardo Sencion<br /><br />Oh, am I cherrypicking again? Let's throw 2008 in! 2 white shooters (Welsey Higdon, Steven Kazmierczak), 1 nonwhite (Cookie Thorton)<br /><br />Oh, am I cherrypicking again? Let's throw 2007 in! 2 white shooters (Robert Hawkins, Tyler Peterson), 2 nonwhite shooters (Seung Hui Cho, Sulejman Talovic).<br /><br />The dataset gets whiter after that but we're getting pretty far away from "recent years" aren't we?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-38869426422906578142013-04-02T21:45:19.109-04:002013-04-02T21:45:19.109-04:00Sigh, Quaker, I *just* posted the link to a datase...Sigh, Quaker, I *just* posted the link to a dataset upthread: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data<br /><br />Here, I'll do the work for you. Let's look at all mass shootings that happened during the Obama presidency! Or is that cherry-picking too?<br /><br />8 white names: Adam Lanza, Andrew Engeldinger, Wade Michael Page, James Holmes, Ian Stawicki, Scott Dekraai (I think he's white?), Jared Loughner, Robert Stewart<br /><br />7 nonwhite names: One Goh, Jeong Soo Paek, Jiverly Wong, Omar Thornton, Maurice Clemmons, Nidal Malik Hasan, Eduardo SencionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-41360598767901863822013-04-02T20:20:29.290-04:002013-04-02T20:20:29.290-04:00"If you have accurate statistics at hand, by ..."If you have accurate statistics at hand, by all means educate us. I don't have 'em."<br /><br />Thank you for admiting you don't. I don't have them either. <br /><br />Therefore for all we know the hypothetical offered about a recent "streak" of mass shootings by "minorities" *may_actually_be_true*. But instead we are assuming that it is almost all white males for some reason. <br /><br />Think about it.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-18262603818572400742013-04-02T20:15:14.314-04:002013-04-02T20:15:14.314-04:00True or false?
Beats me. You know?<i>True or false?</i><br /><br />Beats me. You know?Quaker in a Basementnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-6683546991978589382013-04-02T20:11:59.429-04:002013-04-02T20:11:59.429-04:00"But **why** should it be so hard to say?&quo...<i>"But **why** should it be so hard to say?"</i><br /><br />If you have accurate statistics at hand, by all means educate us. I don't have 'em.Quaker in a Basementnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-9539923258556977282013-04-02T19:52:12.109-04:002013-04-02T19:52:12.109-04:00"someone has said something unfair about whit..."someone has said something unfair about white people!"<br /><br />Specifically, they said "Nearly all of the mass shootings in this country in recent years...have been committed by white men and boys."<br /><br />True or false?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-61478484060013862902013-04-02T19:48:20.720-04:002013-04-02T19:48:20.720-04:00"What portion of mass shooters are white and ..."What portion of mass shooters are white and male? Hard to say, "<br /><br />But **why** should it be so hard to say?<br /><br />"perhaps the Childress's bungle their assertion in this regard."<br /><br />"Perhaps"? I'm glad you allow this much.<br /><br />"But let's not pretend that this is the central thrust of their op-ed. "<br /><br />Let's also not pretend that by saying "Nearly all of the mass shootings in this country in recent years...have been committed by white men and boys." without offering any support, isn't at least just a tad dishonest as well as a set-up for a point that may not be much of a point anyway.<br /><br /><br />"NOW we come to the Childress's main point: our recent shooters are white and male."<br /><br />No, it's "hard to say" as you first correctly stated, as to their race and gender. But no, instead we get from Shirley "Only because you're willfully ignorant." with no support offered when TDH says we have no idea because C&C also offered nos support. As well as the silly "Limiting data to that which produced your desired result is 'cherry picking.'" when at least someone was actually offering some data.<br /><br />C'mon! Let's look at history, scrape up statistical data, define what we mean by "recent", "white", "mass shootings" and maybe most importantly what fraction of 100% constitutes "nearly all" and *then* maybe we can see who is commiting mass shootings recently. And then go from there to whatever other points there may be.<br /><br />Else TDH's points stand pretty much untouched.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-25589783914824561112013-04-02T19:33:54.879-04:002013-04-02T19:33:54.879-04:00While we're at it, let's take a look at an...While we're at it, let's take a look at another assertion in the Childress op-ed. Once again, the sisters hypothesize a spate of mass shootings by black men.<br /><br />Now imagine the leader of a prominent African-American organization steps up to propose a solution to the problem, one that blamed the shootings on restrictions aimed at black men. This spokesman would be justifiably laughed off the public stage.<br /><br />Back in our reality, Wayne LaPierre, spokesman for the organization that tells the Nancy Lanzas of the world that they need guns for protection against a looming collapse of law and order, is front and center telling us that the problem isn't too many guns, it's too few! A substantial plurality of Americans take him seriously.<br /><br />But don't let that deter you from fretting over the real issue at hand: someone has said something unfair about white people!Quaker in a Basementnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-47965382660344738552013-04-02T19:30:24.104-04:002013-04-02T19:30:24.104-04:00"If you read the very first paragraph, you fi..."If you read the very first paragraph, you find the Childress sisters offering a hypothetical question: If we had a spate of mass-shootings by African-American men, what would the ensuing public discussion sound like?"<br /><br />Exactly. But let's not discuss THAT!<br /><br />Instead, Somerby has feed his cattle some more sweet hay and caught another "bungled asserstion" on the Washington Post Op-Ed.<br /><br />After all "liberals" must be perfect and beyond reproach in every single word, or else their entire argument is worthless. Now that O'Reilly, Hannity and Limbaugh are fading, it's up to Somerby to pick up that mantle, parsing every "liberal" argument for anything not said exactly the way Somerby would put it.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com