tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post1245324198181585686..comments2024-03-29T09:59:03.164-04:00Comments on the daily howler: NO EXCUSE LEFT BEHIND: Mara Gay insults Asian-Americans!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-70381538471777575712022-01-03T02:16:35.459-05:002022-01-03T02:16:35.459-05:00TODAY I GOT MY DESIRED LOAN AMOUNT $520,000.00 FRO...<br /><br />TODAY I GOT MY DESIRED LOAN AMOUNT $520,000.00 FROM A RELIABLE AND TRUSTED LOAN COMPANY. IF YOU NEED A LOAN NOW EMAIL CONTACT drbenjaminfinance@gmail.com<br /><br />Hello, I'm here to testify of how i got my loan from BENJAMIN LOAN FINANCE(drbenjaminfinance@gmail.com) I don't know if you are in need of an urgent loan to pay bills, start business or build a house, they offer all kinds of loan. So feel free to contact Dr. Benjamin Owen he holds all of the information about how to obtain money quickly and painlessly without cost/stress via Email: drbenjaminfinance@gmail.com<br /><br />Consider all your financial problems tackled and solved ASAP. Share this to help a soul right now THANKS.Mrs. McCarthy Juanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08564275766136770597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-29906063391172205932021-07-28T02:01:56.429-04:002021-07-28T02:01:56.429-04:00LOTTO, lottery,jackpot.
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Dr Believe truly you are the best, all thanks to you forever<br />Nitish Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17635701932421156767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-37095345838413094992019-04-05T11:29:29.890-04:002019-04-05T11:29:29.890-04:00This is utter nonsense, De Blasio's plan inclu...This is utter nonsense, De Blasio's plan includes creating more schools. Ignoring the racial motivation behind De Vos et al's actions serve no one and is as dumb as the comments you see here. <br /><br />Identity politics is effective and has largely been winning the day for whites for a long time, they are just pissed other human beings have caught on.<br /><br />The zero sum game and racial realities of our current society are the result of the policies of the corporatists and capitalists of the Republican party. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-54378628132136298242019-04-04T16:58:14.518-04:002019-04-04T16:58:14.518-04:00"It is a divide and conquer approach and it i..."It is a divide and conquer approach and it is as old as politics."<br /><br />Duh. What other purpose could liberal identity politics possibly serve?<br /><br />Too many 'blacks' in the underclass, we need to lift some of them off, and replace those with 'whites', to the right proportion. Everything will be swell then. <br /><br />Who but a decomposed zombie would fall for this? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-48879505300580402332019-04-04T16:26:04.381-04:002019-04-04T16:26:04.381-04:00Well played!Well played!deadrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02828198094140822987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-12285731259942613252019-04-04T16:24:20.542-04:002019-04-04T16:24:20.542-04:00Somerby doesn't understand enough about testin...<i>Somerby doesn't understand enough about testing to critique it properly</i>[.]<br /><br />Possibly, but TDH doesn’t criticize testing. He writes about how journalists cover education, which includes testing. TDH starts with the assumption that the NAEP is valid, repeatedly calling the test “the gold standard.” From there he concludes that we should focus on what he labels the “punishing gaps” that the demographic analysis of the results reveals.<br /><br /><i>Somerby has never talked about any education issue intelligently here.</i><br /><br />By which I take it you mean that you don’t agree with him.<br /><br /><i>Now he wants to attack efforts to desegregate schools by pointing out that they are no longer segregated by law as they once were.</i><br /><br />No, he’s pointing out that it is misleading to label the imbalances as segregation, which results in a lot of nonsense reporting.<br /><br /><i>Now he says Gay slimed Asians. That is ridiculous.</i><br /><br />Yeah, that’s absurd.<br /><br /><i>But he never says why he is opposed to opening up some more seats for black students in a high school where they are grossly underrepresented.</i><br /><br />He’s opposed to playing the zero-sum game whereby the supposedly-meritocratic rules are changed to alter the racial balance. He has wondered why nobody is proposing cloning Stuyvesant to open up more seats for students.<br /><br /><i>Among there </i>[sic]<i> there are likely more than 9 students who might benefit by admission.</i><br /><br />I presume you mean that among <i>them</i>, i.e, the 20% of the SHSAT test takers who are black, there are more than 9 who might so benefit. (I don’t know where 9 comes from; there were only 7 recently admitted to Stuyvesant.) No doubt you’re right. But admissions are not based on who would benefit, but on who actually qualifies by examination.<br /><br /><i>Somerby doesn't deserve defense.</i><br /><br />By which I take it that you have no cogent argument against his claims.deadrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02828198094140822987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-15152295921437681502019-04-04T15:52:00.798-04:002019-04-04T15:52:00.798-04:00I take it you don't realize how absurd your co...I take it you don't realize how absurd your comment is. You tell me that Somerby isn't direct -- which is demonstrably false -- and then tell me to read what he says. I'm not defending TDH; I'm pointing out that you're trying to read his mind instead of his words. You should stop that.deadrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02828198094140822987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-7845994608350084552019-04-04T11:28:14.396-04:002019-04-04T11:28:14.396-04:00Policy isn't created by people like Somerby......<i>Policy isn't created by people like Somerby...</i><br /><br />In all forms of government I've learned about, policy is created or revised by all sorts of people besides academicians and purported experts. In a democracy the wonks are supposed to make their case to the citizenry for their approval.<br /><br />Empowering the supposed experts in matters of public policy and insulating them from criticisms, assessments, and course corrections by those outside of their silo leads to failure. CMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481861530761114492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-44346358908022753542019-04-04T09:27:47.700-04:002019-04-04T09:27:47.700-04:00CMike, when you form that opinion, you read the av...CMike, when you form that opinion, you read the available literature (as you state), but that literature is produced by people with training, typically doctorates in education and testing (psychometrics). Policy isn't created by people like Somerby and Somerby doesn't understand enough about testing to critique it properly, other than his early on articles about cheating (which isn't part of the test itself, but part of the administration of it). <br /><br />Somerby has never talked about any education issue intelligently here. His limitations are perhaps why his side-gig as a journalist never took off. He did a little community activism around his own local school district's cheating scandal but hasn't bothered to learn anything more.<br /><br />Now he wants to attack efforts to desegregate schools by pointing out that they are no longer segregated by law as they once were. That is so beside the point that it is a distraction to the other important questions inherent in providing greater access for black kids to educational resources. Now he says Gay slimed Asians. That is ridiculous. But he never says why he is opposed to opening up some more seats for black students in a high school where they are grossly underrepresented. One need not disparage Asians or the people trying to get more seats to discuss this issue. But Somerby wastes huge amounts of time doing exactly that.<br /><br />To the point where people are questioning whether he holds bias against the beautiful black kids he supposedly champions, but doesn't consider qualified to participate in science. (No one would argue that all black kids or kids performing at the mean should go to such schools, but 20% of the applicants are black. Among there there are likely more than 9 students who might benefit by admission.)<br /><br />Somerby doesn't deserve defense. He needs to state his own positions more clearly, just as you need to learn that too and stop just quoting large sections of other people's writing, with no comment about how you think your quotes apply to the issues being discussed. Somerby's style is nothing to mimic, as you repeatedly do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-50040873088033206332019-04-04T09:16:40.662-04:002019-04-04T09:16:40.662-04:00Many cities define a resource as limited, then set...Many cities define a resource as limited, then set competing minority groups against each other by making them argue over who got more of that resource. <br /><br />Somerby asks why the slots at the high schools need to be so rare that a special test is needed to screen applicants. That is the heart of the problem, whether it is allocation of pothole repair, assignment of police stations to neighborhoods, job training slots, or any other form of aid and support to communities. <br /><br />By splitting the minority parents into racial groups and pointing out that some get more seats in such schools than others, they distract from the need for more schools by focusing energy on in-fighting among groups. Gay participates in this, but so does Somerby. <br /><br />School resources are limited because citizens don't place sufficient value on education to fund it appropriately. De Vos exacerbates this by forcing public schools to compete against private ones for funding (tied to student enrollments and attendance). As long as minorities are fighting amongst themselves, they cannot present a united front against the City of New York, demanding why there are not sufficient seats for all motivated children to attend such high schools. It is a divide and conquer approach and it is as old as politics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-15669973511814934612019-04-04T08:41:08.084-04:002019-04-04T08:41:08.084-04:00Speaking of PhDs: are you dembots aware that corre...Speaking of PhDs: are you dembots aware that correlation doesn't imply causation? <br /><br />In the class systems there's a well-known phenomenon of 'social reproduction'. Poverty is just as much a characteristic of the class system as educational imbalances between socioeconomic classes. As well as imbalances in crime rates, incarceration rates, health, life expectancy, and so on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-57771969962155590562019-04-04T02:52:29.844-04:002019-04-04T02:52:29.844-04:00Somerby provides useful commentary about education...Somerby provides useful commentary about education policy.<br /><br />It is not true that "you need a PhD in psychometrics" to come to an informed conclusion about the bias or usefulness of specialized tests. In matters related to public policy a review of some of the available literature which summarizes its issues and an awareness of the controversies among experts about it is a sufficient basis for a citizen to form an informed opinion about the matter. <br /><br /> CMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481861530761114492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-26551098340964238592019-04-04T00:48:53.351-04:002019-04-04T00:48:53.351-04:00Somerby doesn't say things directly. That'...Somerby doesn't say things directly. That's the point. Stop defending him for a minute and actually read what he says.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-89443669407254867942019-04-04T00:46:03.590-04:002019-04-04T00:46:03.590-04:00Right, as I said, he is unqualified to critique re...Right, as I said, he is unqualified to critique reports on aspects of education policy and testing for which he has no training or education. He was in the classroom with no education degree. You need a PhD in psychometrics to evaluate the NAEP's bias or usefulness, or that of other specialized tests. He doesn't even have a teaching degree. If he did, he might talk about education issues in ways that matter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-28532383462874746692019-04-04T00:40:40.459-04:002019-04-04T00:40:40.459-04:00Yes, let's keep all those enthusiastic, accomp...Yes, let's keep all those enthusiastic, accomplished, passionate learners out of special high schools. Did you skip the word "accomplished" David, or can you not conceive of accomplished black kids?Not a rodenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02216459357112547141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-66925765457409936912019-04-03T21:09:55.115-04:002019-04-03T21:09:55.115-04:00Somerby should be hysterical about this. It's ...Somerby should be hysterical about this. It's nuts for Gay to imply that blacks are more "enthusiastic, accomplished, passionate learners" than Asians. Of course, Gay has no basis for this assertion. If anything it would seem more reasonable to assume that the more enthusiastic learners would be the better students. Tragically, this nutty idea leads to bad policies that harm children of all races.David in Calhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09068188536758619565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-46241659324488941822019-04-03T20:48:49.716-04:002019-04-03T20:48:49.716-04:00Liberals believe in the value of educational oppor...<i>Liberals believe in the value of educational opportunity for all people.</i><br /><br />Still don’t get it, do you? Liberals <i>say</i> they believe in equal educational opportunity, but that’s not the system we’ve got, and nobody is talking honestly about the system’s defects, let alone doing anything constructive. Do I need to repeat my drunk driving example?<br /><br /><i>The attitude that race fixes and limits ability…</i><br /><br />… is nothing TDH has ever written.<br /><br /><i>He probably doesn't come out and say what he really thinks because it would undermine his portrayal of himself as a liberal.</i><br /><br />Since you have no way to tell what anyone <i>really</i> thinks, why don’t you just stick to what TDH really writes? Or is that too hard?<br /><br /><i>His effectiveness in working on behalf of the Russians would be affected and they might cut his pay.</i><br /><br />Yeah, I’m sure all those sweet, sweet rubles are at stake.<br />deadrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02828198094140822987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-18384547243889204722019-04-03T20:34:47.388-04:002019-04-03T20:34:47.388-04:00For some reason 5:33 PM writes:
Somerby is not an...For some reason 5:33 PM writes:<br /><br /><i>Somerby is not an education expert. He was once a teacher, trained by Teach for America (which is minimal). Decades back, he wrote a few articles about cheating in a nearby school district. That's the sum total of his experience in education.</i><br /><br />Wikipedia says <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teach_For_America#History" rel="nofollow"><b>[LINK]</b></a>:<br /><br />[QUOTE]<br /><i>TFA</i> [Teach for America]<i> was founded by Wendy Kopp based on her 1989 Princeton University undergraduate thesis. Members of the founding team include value investor Whitney Tilson; former U.S. Commissioner of the Internal Revenue Service, Douglas Shulman; and President and CEO of Knowledge Is Power Program (KIPP), Richard Barth.<br /><br />Since the first corps was established in 1990, more than 42,000 corps members have completed their commitment to Teach For America.</i><br />[END QUOTE]<br /><br />Somerby left the classroom in 1980 after ten years of teaching in elementary and junior high schools.CMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481861530761114492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-59014355149548627812019-04-03T19:14:06.522-04:002019-04-03T19:14:06.522-04:00Thank you for your service.Thank you for your service.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-28891117756395600672019-04-03T17:50:23.048-04:002019-04-03T17:50:23.048-04:00@5:33
My goodness. Of course I care. There is an a...@5:33<br />My goodness. Of course I care. There is an apparent correlation between poverty and educational achievement. The research shows that. <br /><br />I dislike how Somerby uses bogus statistics to make false claims. I am trying to get him to change. At the very least, I am trying to point out the bogus conclusions that he reaches and the harmful talking points he is spreading. HE is the one implying that poverty isn’t really a factor. Somerby doesn’t read his comments, but those who do may see an alternative to his views. I have asked him countless times to drop the “libs are to blame” approach and clearly state his views and take a more holistic open-minded approach. That would serve his readers better. I have many many times contradicted his views. I have been vilified over and over by trolls or Somerby fans. So what can you do? Stop reading his blog, or try to counteract some of his worst excesses. Perhaps you feel he is irredeemable. You may be right. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-69579073040237289652019-04-03T17:43:39.573-04:002019-04-03T17:43:39.573-04:00Correction, the rates correlate inversely. Higher ...Correction, the rates correlate inversely. Higher income = lower OW rate. To check this, look at the rates within each group by income, not just across groups.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-9386816330284339482019-04-03T17:41:24.650-04:002019-04-03T17:41:24.650-04:00If Somerby believes that, it is another example of...If Somerby believes that, it is another example of divergence from liberal attitudes and beliefs. Liberals believe in the value of educational opportunity for all people. The attitude that race fixes and limits ability so that black children cannot succeed, even under favorable circumstances, is inconsistent with liberal views. If he believes that, he is no liberal. This is more in line with conservative attitudes.<br /><br />He probably doesn't come out and say what he really thinks because it would undermine his portrayal of himself as a liberal. His effectiveness in working on behalf of the Russians would be affected and they might cut his pay.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-1484021867488199962019-04-03T17:33:44.438-04:002019-04-03T17:33:44.438-04:00So, you don't actually care whether poverty af...So, you don't actually care whether poverty affects academic performance, you are playing some game of gotcha with Somerby. check<br /><br />Somerby is not an education expert. He was once a teacher, trained by Teach for America (which is minimal). Decades back, he wrote a few articles about cheating in a nearby school district. That's the sum total of his experience in education. He doesn't know anything about statistics either and he appears to have never taken a psychology, sociology or social science course when he was at Harvard. You shouldn't be placing so much importance on what he says here.<br /><br />NAEP is influenced by poverty, just as other measures of academic achievement are. You don't need the actual incomes of the students who took the test to determine that. You can use the average incomes of the geographic areas of NYC for that and correlate them with the average NAEP scores, if it is broken down that way. Probably isn't. Or you can go read the studies reviewed in the source cited earlier and think about how that might apply to the NYC students.<br /><br />Somerby's argument is bankrupt because he is using average scores to talk about high scoring kids. There is nothing in NAEP about the kids who are in the gifted tail of the distribution. Those are the ones who go to special high schools. There are very smart kids in every demographic group, black, white, Asian. But the test used may not be very good at finding the ones who are stuck in disadvantaged environments. That takes some work. If Somerby (1) knew anything about education, and (2) cared about minority kids, he would be making this argument. Instead, he is attacking a journalist who is describing efforts to get more black kids into the special high schools. She didn't say something right, to his mind. <br /><br />This is a stupid waste of time. Somerby has an axe to grind and he doesn't care that it puts him on the wrong side with respect to helping minority kids. Even the smart ones deserve a chance, but he seems to think that helping smart black kids from poor neighborhoods is somehow attacking Asian families or disparaging the rest of the black kids. <br /><br />Don't follow him down his rabbit hole. There is nothing worthwhile at the end.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-3619095058920870912019-04-03T17:31:20.256-04:002019-04-03T17:31:20.256-04:00@5:10
You have done more to advance the discussion...@5:10<br />You have done more to advance the discussion than Somerby ever has or will. Unfortunately, he IS trying to show that poverty is not the explanation. That is clear if you look back at his many other posts. He uses “statistics” to make this claim: Asians students are in poverty, and yet do well on the tests. Thus, poverty can’t be the explanation. <br /><br />This is a perfect example of why he needs to just discuss his true thoughts on the achievement gaps without hinting and hedging. It leads to exactly this kind of confusion. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-54837452815639329532019-04-03T17:21:47.538-04:002019-04-03T17:21:47.538-04:00Marriage laws. If there were none, there would be ...Marriage laws. If there were none, there would be no OW children. It costs money to get married. The OW rates correlate directly with average income levels by race.<br /><br />By the way, the rate is 73%. Why exaggerate? 29% for white, 53% for Hispanic, 66% Native American. <br /><br />Throw in the systematic disruption of black marriages historically, the deportation of Hispanic men or travel to seek employment, and the relocation of American Indian families and child separation, it is surprising the figures track poverty so closely.<br /><br />"The fee required for a regular marriage license in Los Angeles is $90." That is a lot of money to pay for a government sanction that is regarded as nobody else's business.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com