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Maybe Somerby's Russian handler is telling him to attack Harris. Who knows? <br /><br />Pretending that he is being fair-minded, by listing her supposed virtues, then attacking her repeatedly solely because she went after Biden (the putative frontrunner) in her campaigning, strikes me as ridiculous. If she, or any other candidate, wants to win, he or she must move up in the polls relative to the other Democratic nominees. That means highlighting one's own virtues in comparison with the others running. One of her strengths and Biden's weaknesses is her civil rights record, her work on behalf of minorities while Attorney General of California. She is using that, no more and no less. And so is Somerby. He is using whatever flaws he can find in her to attack her.<br /><br />But that leaves the question, who is Somerby attacking Harris on behalf of? I suspect he is doing it to benefit conservatives, not any of the other Democrats, but I haven't found Somerby plausible as a Democrat (or even a Democratic Socialist) in quite a while now. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-7507936505224839652019-08-16T20:33:57.891-04:002019-08-16T20:33:57.891-04:00Good post. Is it time to bring back busing? Neithe...Good post. Is it time to bring back busing? Neither Harris nor Biden want it, but it’s somehow a point of contention.<br /><br />And this:<br /><br />“And by the way, does anybody actually care about "segregation" in public schools?”<br /><br />This guy sure does!<br /><br />“Former Arizona representative and ALEC member David Stringer stirred controversy last year when he gave a speech complaining that “there aren’t enough white kids to go around” to integrate Arizona’s schools and that immigration is an “existential threat” to Arizona.<br /><br /><a href="https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/08/16/alec-fails-denounce-dangerous-and-racist-views-its-leaders-and-members" rel="nofollow"> A Gathering of Comrades</a><br /><br />Of course, this gets to one of the nub’s of Somerby’s posts on this topic. If busing was meant to bring minorities into parity with their (white) over-represented districts, should it, perhaps be turned around? Should white people be bused to the darker climes, in order to bring parity?<br /><br />Times have changed! Some segment of the white population is terrified that they will become the minority in this country, which is an “existential threat.” And a seemingly substantial minority of rubes lap it up. Personally, I think it’s past time for brown people to take over the continent that was once theirs.<br /><br />Anyway, if there were a parity of funding for public schools not mainly based on property tax, as the current system now exists, busing would probably be unnecessary. I don’t expect that to ever happen. But in terms of interaction, busing could be a good idea nowadays.<br /><br />Leroy<br />Leroyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02021120389394278239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-23232359219427882442019-08-16T20:29:32.067-04:002019-08-16T20:29:32.067-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Leroyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02021120389394278239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-22251317790980904562019-08-16T19:05:41.413-04:002019-08-16T19:05:41.413-04:00The time has come to face up to what white Democra...The time has come to face up to what white Democratic voters actually want, not what they say, which Harris knows very well.<br /><br />https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/sacramento-tipping-point/article231662913.html<br /><br />The school discussed in the article was a polling station in the ‘16 election, exclusively serving the white neighborhood. The results were:<br />Clinton 1022 Trump 153<br /><br />These white voters know, and Harris knows they know, that her grandstanding BS poses no actual threat to their precious Noah or Madison getting into an Ivy League school. If they ever thought it did, Harris would be doomed, and it would be four more years, baby, if she were the nominee.SadSacnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-78758420916432457762019-08-16T18:40:31.754-04:002019-08-16T18:40:31.754-04:00Sophistry is the use of fallacious arguments. It i...Sophistry is the use of fallacious arguments. It isn’t necessarily, but becomes disingenuous when the user knows it themself. Thus, Nobody’s comment was sophistry, but probably not disingenuous. I hope that was also true of the use of the New Jersey example.<br /><br />My entire reply is unfortunately pedantic.SadSacnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-35238571813746633692019-08-16T18:36:10.216-04:002019-08-16T18:36:10.216-04:00But it is a case where one could at least see the ...But it is a case where one could at least see the possibility of using the tool of mandated busing, if the court were to rule that NJ must desegregate, and communities failed to take action. <br /><br />There is no need for her to change this stance for the general election, because it isn’t exactly an outlier amongst the Democratic candidates, and it doesn’t posit the mass use of forced busing, nor does it foresee busing as even a measure of first resort. Nobodynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-86165095866387008522019-08-16T18:27:24.145-04:002019-08-16T18:27:24.145-04:00Neither New Jersey nor any local government is “ac...Neither New Jersey nor any local government is “actively opposing integration” by Harris’s definition. That situation would not be covered by her stated hypothetical policies, nor would any other that would have the slightest chance of costing her net votes in a primary. If she were to gain the nomination, she would most likely change the language for the general election.SadSacnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-60351068269148722362019-08-16T18:20:39.884-04:002019-08-16T18:20:39.884-04:00Sad, we also appreciate your assertion that she is...Sad, we also appreciate your assertion that she is engaged in sophistry that is “disingenuous”. <br /><br />As opposed to the other kind. Nobodynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-86389122827956605262019-08-16T18:08:00.928-04:002019-08-16T18:08:00.928-04:00Mr. Sack:
“New Jersey Is Getting Sued Over School ...Mr. Sack:<br />“New Jersey Is Getting Sued Over School Segregation”<br />https://www.citylab.com/equity/2019/01/new-jersey-school-segregation-lawsuit-brown-v-board-housing/579373/<br /><br />These kinds of things come up every so often. It isn’t exactly rare. <br /><br />Of course, your correct response would have been to say that schools cannot be integrated due to demographics. That is the canned TDH answer. <br /><br />It is worth noting that Harris’s position on busing is virtually identical to Bernie Sanders’. <br /><br />It is also worth noting that you and Somerby are more than welcome to point out cases where you think Harris is being disingenuous, as long as you’re not simply engaging in ad hominem attacks, but Somerby at least ought to also describe Biden’s record correctly. Biden’s recent assertions about his stance on busing do not line up with his stance back in the day. Nobodynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-46998140234981901512019-08-16T17:51:40.413-04:002019-08-16T17:51:40.413-04:00She’s wasn’t just talking about busing when she sa...She’s wasn’t just talking about busing when she said that. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-45060659928914082102019-08-16T17:51:03.730-04:002019-08-16T17:51:03.730-04:00“... local governments are actively opposing integ...“... local governments are actively opposing integration?” Name one place where this is currently happening. Harris is engaging in disingenuous sophistry in its purest, uncut form. Her political history stinks of fraudulent, unprincipled careerism.SadSacnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-76764719813524832482019-08-16T17:44:08.125-04:002019-08-16T17:44:08.125-04:00Harris said "Had those segregationists their ...Harris said "Had those segregationists their way, I would not be a member of the United States Senate..." I think we have already noted that Berkeley's busing scheme, which Harris benefited from, was not mandated by the state or federal government. David in Calhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10222355423128534221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-686109081786576132019-08-16T16:22:32.807-04:002019-08-16T16:22:32.807-04:00"we aren't real high on Candidate Harris ..."we aren't real high on Candidate Harris at this point"<br /><br />Not real high, eh Bob? Tsk, how sad.<br /><br />But is she, by chance, crazy? A crackpot? Some sort of mentally ill or sociopath? Please, tell us. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-60559832162058032362019-08-16T16:19:44.507-04:002019-08-16T16:19:44.507-04:00Here was Tapper’s question:
“Vice President Bide...Here was Tapper’s question:<br /><br /> “Vice President Biden says that your current position on busing, you're opposed to federally mandated busing, that that position is the same as his position. Is he right?”<br /><br />Here was Harris’ answer:<br /><br />“That is simply false.”<br /><br />Question asked and answered. <br /><br />If more detail is required, look here:<br /><br />“Kamala Harris on busing: Feds should only intervene if local governments are opposing integration” - by ALEXANDRA JAFFEE | ASSOCIATED PRESS | 8:42 am EDT July 5, 2019<br /><br />https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/07/05/kamala-harris-busing-federal-government-should-intervene-if-local-government-oppose-integration/1655072001/<br /><br />The first paragraph says:<br /><br />“Sen. Kamala Harris on Thursday clarified her position on federally mandated school busing, saying it's only necessary in cases where local governments are actively opposing integration.”<br /><br />So, she does support mandated busing ... in some cases. <br /><br />And it only took 5 minutes to gather the info to debunk Somerby’s misrepresentation of Harris that he is laboring so hard at. Nobodynoreply@blogger.com