tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post1532583132161531233..comments2024-03-28T15:22:06.016-04:00Comments on the daily howler: THE ROLE OF THE GAPS: At 18 months!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-90651825870853630782014-06-17T00:51:57.449-04:002014-06-17T00:51:57.449-04:00Croatia.Croatia.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-50386192133938056342014-06-17T00:51:09.041-04:002014-06-17T00:51:09.041-04:00I said nothing about problems with education. If...I said nothing about problems with education. If you have paid close attention, Bob hasn't said much about those problems either, since the gaps are brought to school by the children of the poor.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-16880588669331136562014-06-16T17:11:27.305-04:002014-06-16T17:11:27.305-04:00Are there no workhouses?Are there no workhouses?Quaker in a Basementnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-32349289143751309812014-06-16T16:42:39.417-04:002014-06-16T16:42:39.417-04:00An extra 1,500 words per hour? Where does a kid ha...An extra 1,500 words per hour? Where does a kid have to go to get a little peace and quiet?Quaker in a Basementnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-19307193894038418262014-06-16T14:42:50.320-04:002014-06-16T14:42:50.320-04:00So, your point is that if only Bob would just shut...So, your point is that if only Bob would just shut up and let the media continue as usual that the problems that exist with education (the gaps) would be more quickly solved? I fail to see how this could be true.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-83128590604518162682014-06-16T08:52:59.041-04:002014-06-16T08:52:59.041-04:00Gee whiz, David in Cal disagrees with St. Ronald R...Gee whiz, David in Cal disagrees with St. Ronald Reagan:<br /><br />http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=41906<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-1492749109105869702014-06-16T08:40:42.161-04:002014-06-16T08:40:42.161-04:00I repeat the comment from another anonymous at 6/1...I repeat the comment from another anonymous at 6/15, 11:52 a..m.<br /><br />"How does someone get to be an adult and have such a limited understanding of what other people's lives are like?"<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-11079160581999125452014-06-16T08:38:42.844-04:002014-06-16T08:38:42.844-04:00Are you referring to endless blogger screeds about...Are you referring to endless blogger screeds about cable TV hosts who are clowns and stuff millions of dollars into their pants?<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-53531278448678367462014-06-16T01:07:01.573-04:002014-06-16T01:07:01.573-04:00I am amazed to learn that an exhaustive study whic...I am amazed to learn that an exhaustive study which included all of six families on public welfare in Kansas City made the astounding and earth shattering discovery that poor people talk to their children less than wealthier people do and with bigger vocabularies. And as a result, poor children know fewer words.<br /><br />It is truly amazing this astonishing discovery does not get more coverage two decades later.<br /><br />It is all the media's fault.<br /><br />If only they were doing their jobs we might understand, as we clearly don't, that the impact of being poor starts early in life and is long lasting.<br /><br />I am particularly proud of those who have extrapolated these findings to black children and black parents, which the study authors did not.<br />Because TDH readers care about black children.<br /><br />And this guy calls Rachel Maddow a clown?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-21969198910968805722014-06-15T20:54:45.590-04:002014-06-15T20:54:45.590-04:00There's always been a marriage gap and an achi...There's always been a marriage gap and an achievement gap, but I don't think there was a word gap, as unmarried mothers lived with their parents (and generally grandparents too).CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-63729146862340581312014-06-15T18:45:38.066-04:002014-06-15T18:45:38.066-04:00Yes, indeed things have changed.
Once upon a time...Yes, indeed things have changed.<br /><br />Once upon a time in a magical kingdom known as Cecelia Land, the vast majority of black children came from two-parent families, just like the couple she describes, spoke to their children often from infancy and there was no "achievement gap."<br /><br />My, how thinks are different when we return to the real world.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-88419158620395664872014-06-15T16:35:53.736-04:002014-06-15T16:35:53.736-04:00Unless you also consume a significant diet of prof...Unless you also consume a significant diet of professional, peer-reviewed journals, I would wager that there is quite a mass of very important studies you haven't heard about.<br /><br />Of course, it is the fault of the mass media that these studies aren't read, digested, and presented in a form we can easily read in 10 minutes while sitting on the john in the morning.<br /><br />And on the rare occasions when they try, we can chide them for their lack of professional expertise.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-35607851247211434152014-06-15T12:45:27.369-04:002014-06-15T12:45:27.369-04:00I imagine that I consume a significant diet of med...I imagine that I consume a significant diet of media (news, analysis, commentary) -- but I have not heard about the study Somerby brings to our attention today.<br /><br />Or perhaps it would be more fair to say Somerby today brings to our attention the fact that the study has not yet been brought to our attention!<br /><br />It's a fair point, Mr. Somerby.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-27318536883468357742014-06-15T12:13:37.550-04:002014-06-15T12:13:37.550-04:00Yeah, evidently they relentlessly heard 200,000 wo...Yeah, evidently they relentlessly heard 200,000 word diatribes on the political advantages in harassing people who don't agree with them.CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-32391070883157404532014-06-15T11:52:34.094-04:002014-06-15T11:52:34.094-04:00How does someone get to be an adult and have such ...How does someone get to be an adult and have such a limited understanding of what other people's lives are like?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-26261952887902642492014-06-15T11:09:16.665-04:002014-06-15T11:09:16.665-04:00You are confusing cause and effect again.You are confusing cause and effect again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-6416029030425096012014-06-15T10:20:20.642-04:002014-06-15T10:20:20.642-04:00As long as we're throwing out unproven hypothe...As long as we're throwing out unproven hypotheses, here are a few more possibilities to consider blaming for the gap:<br /><br />1. Welfare rules drove fathers out of the house. That reduced the number of parents available to talk to children by 50%.<br /><br />2. TV may distract mothers from talking to their children. <br /><br />3. The effect of so many government programs is to make parents less and less responsible for their children's upbringing. Maybe parents reacted by being less invested in their children. (If this is a big factor, then a new governmental early education program might be counter-productive.)David in Calnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-86767903121435510662014-06-15T10:11:51.383-04:002014-06-15T10:11:51.383-04:00Perhaps the problem with our trolls is that they h...Perhaps the problem with our trolls is that they heard too many words when young?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-68230323601244330182014-06-15T10:10:48.296-04:002014-06-15T10:10:48.296-04:00There is a black middle class and a black educated...There is a black middle class and a black educated class. There is also a black underclass, just as there is a white underclass with kids who don't hear lots of words. Compare apples to apples please.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-53033368737121346892014-06-15T10:08:44.661-04:002014-06-15T10:08:44.661-04:00When I say government funded child care and kids, ...When I say government funded child care and kids, I am referring to programs that give parents the financial resources needed to be good parents, so they can spend time with their kids, so their kids have food and clothing, so that basic necessities are met and parents need not work multiple jobs or come home so dead tired they have little energy left for parenting. If kids come with a stipend and there is high quality, inexpensive child care available (as in most of Europe), parents will have time to be better parents.<br /><br />Head Start is a whole other issue. If anyone has given up on it, it is the conservatives trying to end it. This widespread cry that Head Start is ineffective is coming from them and, like the stats Somerby keeps repeating, is not true.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-52771949154032689952014-06-15T09:40:05.705-04:002014-06-15T09:40:05.705-04:00Anon 8:35am:
yawn...Anon 8:35am:<br /><br />yawn...CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-82566261178886082832014-06-15T09:34:17.270-04:002014-06-15T09:34:17.270-04:00That things have changed is my point, dope.That things have changed is my point, dope.CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-35054240395374624202014-06-15T08:35:49.097-04:002014-06-15T08:35:49.097-04:00"Some of my best nannies were black.""Some of my best nannies were black."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-9598537715443016902014-06-15T08:32:09.913-04:002014-06-15T08:32:09.913-04:00Yes, Cecelia. The tender and enriching childhood e...Yes, Cecelia. The tender and enriching childhood experience you had with "a black couple" is exactly the same tender and enriching childhood experience ALL black children must have had as well.<br /><br />After all, seen one, seen 'em all.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-70000786741420947342014-06-14T23:19:01.749-04:002014-06-14T23:19:01.749-04:00How he bagan
"Part 1—Some of the gaps disapp...How he bagan<br /><br />"Part 1—Some of the gaps disappear: In last week’s Economic Scene column, the New York Times’ Eduardo Porter avoided some of the gaps.<br /><br />We refer to the “achievement gaps” which help define the state of America’s public schools."<br /><br />Where we've gotten to:<br /><br />"Part 5—Thirty million words: The achievement gaps are very large within our student population."<br /><br />Damn those underachieving 18 month old students! <br /><br />Alas. Standards will just not fit the needs of all of them!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com