tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post1664415913155745380..comments2024-03-28T08:17:14.194-04:00Comments on the daily howler: WHAT BAD POLITICS LOOKS LIKE: The Washington Post just flat gets it wrong!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-50654681519236797992018-11-29T21:43:05.969-05:002018-11-29T21:43:05.969-05:00Hopefully with the content on this blog, I can add...Hopefully with the content on this blog, I can add to my insight, thank you<br /><a href="https://caramengobatikesrek.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow"> Cara mengobati kesrek / Babak </a> | Eyang Unyi | <a href="https://minumankesehatanherbalblog.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow"> Khasiat QnC Jelly Gamat </a> | Eyang JarikmanAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03315685010660754138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-48324453158852603482015-10-20T10:32:02.212-04:002015-10-20T10:32:02.212-04:00@ 4:50 provided a link to Clinton's statement ...@ 4:50 provided a link to Clinton's statement on October 2 and asked "What bothers you about that?"<br /><br />Quacker, please, follow the link and tell me what is wrong with it.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-1472647638847616642015-10-20T05:54:37.518-04:002015-10-20T05:54:37.518-04:00David, one little problem. Clinton didn't say...David, one little problem. Clinton didn't say "mostly black areas". You are quoting the AP reporter, not Hillary Clinton.<br /><br />And secondly, you are misstating Clinton's main point. which is that what Alabama is doing is part and parcel of the overall republican strategy to suppress voting. That is indisputable.<br /><br /><br />"Alabama isn't alone. Over the past few years, many states have passed laws that make voting harder. Since the Supreme Court gutted a key provision of the Voting Rights Act, the situation has gotten even worse. And some people —including many Republican candidates for president—would keep pushing our country in this shameful direction." http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/10/hillary_clinton_alabama_remain.html#incart_river_mobileshort<br /><br />“Since the Supreme Court eviscerated a key provision of the Voting Rights Act in 2013, many of the states that previously faced special scrutiny because of a history of racial discrimination have proposed and passed new laws that make it harder than ever to vote.”Hillary Clinton, June 4, 2015<br /><br />And finally, she is calling for universal and automatic voter registration, an ambitious proposal that will put a stop to this bullshit strategy of the republican party to suppress voting. And it's not just AA that the republican party targets, <br /><br /><br />"Governor Bentley has offered the same excuses we've always heard to justify laws that disproportionately affect people of color—or, for that matter, low-income people, women, young people, and seniors."<br /><br />Now, where is the lie you claim Hillary Clinton spoke?<br />mmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-23603109034631910042015-10-20T01:23:45.984-04:002015-10-20T01:23:45.984-04:00Follow along, mm. Bob is apparently only concerned...Follow along, mm. Bob is apparently only concerned about accusations of racism when they come out of Rachel Maddow's mouth, not Hillary Clinton's.<br /><br />And if you had been reading your "hero" who is "scrupulously honest" and "always right" you would know that Bob considers charges of racism in the Alabama office closings to be a big, fat lie.<br /><br />He said so himself. And he is "always right" and "scrupulously honest." You told me so yourself.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-85099299316409211462015-10-20T01:19:56.439-04:002015-10-20T01:19:56.439-04:00I think so too. But when Rachel Maddow repeated it...I think so too. But when Rachel Maddow repeated it, Rachel was the one who was lying about the effect of those office closures, not Hillary.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-4598068788717904632015-10-19T23:14:18.499-04:002015-10-19T23:14:18.499-04:00mm -- Bob pointed out the lie: "Clinton slamm...mm -- Bob pointed out the lie: "Clinton slammed Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley (R) for closing 31 driver-licensing offices in rural, mostly black areas." In fact, these closures were not in mostly black areas. <br /><br />And, Clinton's main point is false -- namley that these office closings are comparable to where "Rosa Parks sat and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. marched and John Lewis bled". The office closings were not particularly focused on blacks.David in Calnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-27911704917585073412015-10-19T18:34:02.465-04:002015-10-19T18:34:02.465-04:00Anonymous October 19, 2015 at 5:09 PM
That state...<i>Anonymous October 19, 2015 at 5:09 PM</i><br /><br /><br />That statement from Hillary's web site is perfectly fine. Her op-ed on al.com also perfectly fine. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-57604675372326253142015-10-19T17:51:06.843-04:002015-10-19T17:51:06.843-04:00"One more mention that Clinton isn't a jo..."One more mention that Clinton isn't a journalist and we will do a long "blast from Bob Somerby past" on what he did to President Obama over the 77% pay gap."<br /><br />Yes indeed. Bob went on for days about how Obama misled an entire nation.<br /><br />But you forget that his loyal fans reminded him that Obama was not a journalist, so Bob quickly apologized and stopped, vowing never to do it again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-67791363217949471832015-10-19T17:09:19.539-04:002015-10-19T17:09:19.539-04:00"I strongly oppose Alabama’s decision to clos..."I strongly oppose Alabama’s decision to close driver’s license offices across the state, especially in counties that have a significant majority of African Americans. Just a few years ago, Alabama passed a law requiring citizens to have a photo ID to vote. Now they’re shutting down places where people get those photo IDs. This is only going to make it harder for people to vote. It’s a blast from the Jim Crow past.<br /><br />"We’re better than this. We should be encouraging more Americans to vote, not making voting harder. As President, I’ll push for automatic voter registration for every American when they turn 18, and a new national standard of at least 20 days of early in-person voting in every state. And I’ll work with Congress to restore key protections of the Voting Rights Act.<br /><br />"African Americans fought for the right to vote in the face of unthinkable hatred. They stood up and were beaten down, marched and were turned back. Some were even killed. But in the end, the forces of justice overcame. Alabama should do the right thing. It should reverse this decision. And it should start protecting the franchise for every single voter, no matter the color of their skin."<br /><br />It's OK to say that if you're Hillary. But if you are Rachel Maddow? Bob will get you for that, and boy, will his fans be mad at you. Both of them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-15311940280629488252015-10-19T16:53:50.317-04:002015-10-19T16:53:50.317-04:00Certainly not on this issue.
As Bob has proven --...Certainly not on this issue.<br /><br />As Bob has proven -- and with geometric logic -- Hillarry told a big, fat lie, and the press is letting her get away with it.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-54804657886710873292015-10-19T16:52:11.734-04:002015-10-19T16:52:11.734-04:00Hillary Clinton said that the closing of the 31 of...Hillary Clinton said that the closing of the 31 offices is a "blast from the Jim Crow past. <br /><br />Don't pretend that she merely said that she is against Jim Crow. Bob doesn't like people who play fast and loose with the truth and disappear facts, and any day now he'll be all over Hillary for starting this hulabaloo, <br /><br />Just any day now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-7990064299463041382015-10-19T16:50:36.786-04:002015-10-19T16:50:36.786-04:00Clinton issued a statement on this issue before Ra...<i>Clinton issued a statement on this issue before Rachel Madddow spoke a word about it.</i><br /><br />Statement Hillary issued on Oct 2nd:<br />Statement on Alabama License Office Measure Disenfranchising Voters<br />https://www.hillaryclinton.com/p/briefing/statements/2015/10/02/alabama-disenfranchisement/<br /><br /><br />What bothers you about that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-853566975721542412015-10-19T16:31:13.727-04:002015-10-19T16:31:13.727-04:00My mistake was not pointing out that this ID issue...My mistake was not pointing out that this ID issue tends to inconvenience working class renters more so than home owners rather than just leave it that it affects poor people.<br /><br />All that said, though I'm white I'll say flat out that voting should be a central festive cultural activity for black people in this country because of a history that doesn't need to be reviewed here. The pillars of that community and their white progressive allies should spend a lot less time complaining about voter ID laws and a lot more time doing the hard work of seeing to it that blacks as a percentage of the total population should have a much higher voter turn out than citizens of other groups. If I recall correctly, blacks, who make up 12% of the total population, in the last three presidential elections were 11% of voters in 2004, 12% of voters in 2008, and 13% of voters in 2012. And the participation rate for blacks is lower than their local numbers for a lot of the city and county elections which determine how and by whom local communities are going to be policed. <br /><br />Meanwhile, registering people in the working class and the economic underclass should be job one of the Democratic Party. At the turn of the previous century urban political party machines were finding constituents jobs, filling their bins with coal, and getting people out of scrapes with the law in return for their support as voters on election day. These days with telecommunications and computers leaders in the Democratic Party spend a lot of their time moaning that getting people registered to vote and seeing to it they have an acceptable voter ID where needed is too daunting of an organizational task to tackle.<br /><br />One wonders if Democratic leaders have sort of mixed feelings about the prospect of more working class and members of the economic underclass citizens voting. CMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481861530761114492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-73783949499983891372015-10-19T15:44:04.271-04:002015-10-19T15:44:04.271-04:00And this somehow proves Hillary is not being mistr...And this somehow proves Hillary is not being mistreated by the press?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-23414723138900713042015-10-19T15:41:46.913-04:002015-10-19T15:41:46.913-04:00Hillary Clinton is against Jim Crow. So are all th...Hillary Clinton is against Jim Crow. So are all the other Democrats, possibly excepting Webb. So what?<br /><br />Delving into the stats in Alabama to see whether they qualify as a solid example of modern Jim Crow is not Clinton's job. It is the job of Alabama reporters, Rachel Maddow and other journalists. If they then think Clinton was unfair to Alabama, they can say so. <br /><br />Somerby doesn't care who says what. He cares whether the stats justify the conclusions. Trolls ignore the stats and the conclusions in order to play a massive game of gotcha against Somerby -- because taking him down will...[do what?] -- here is where the underwear gnomes need to fill in the blank.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-719000153867780262015-10-19T15:37:50.601-04:002015-10-19T15:37:50.601-04:00Massive hair-splitting @2:22.
Another attack on S...Massive hair-splitting @2:22.<br /><br />Another attack on Somerby in the guise of support for voting rights? Maybe CMike is fooled.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-33818038141788953482015-10-19T15:34:53.615-04:002015-10-19T15:34:53.615-04:00I am so tired of these trolls who only want to say...I am so tired of these trolls who only want to say bad things about preferred candidates here, pretending their incessant noise can ever change anyone's vote on a progressive blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-18994525404281361522015-10-19T14:53:41.283-04:002015-10-19T14:53:41.283-04:00Thanks for your spot on responses at 12:25 PM and ...Thanks for your spot on responses <i>at</i> 12:25 PM and Thought Leader. The progblogs are ever in need of a lot more comments along those lines.CMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481861530761114492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-54801387031817398862015-10-19T14:39:41.991-04:002015-10-19T14:39:41.991-04:00"We insist that women receive full and fair r..."We insist that women receive full and fair reward for their work and that the nature of that work reflect a full and fair recognition of women's accomplishments. For me, it's a simple matter of wanting my daughters to have the same opportunities in life that my son will have. It is not merely a matter of women with the same positions as men getting lower pay, it is also a matter of women with the same merit as men getting lower positions. Women in almost all types of jobs make less than men."<br /><br />-- Al Gore, April 2, 1998Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-7530854596409281552015-10-19T14:32:20.528-04:002015-10-19T14:32:20.528-04:00Well, David. You are proving the old saying that e...Well, David. You are proving the old saying that even a blind pig finds a truffle now and then.<br /><br />Yes, it does seem that the "media" -- whoever that is these days -- is surely taking what Hillary said at face value, then repeating it.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-6052968053572042242015-10-19T14:24:27.458-04:002015-10-19T14:24:27.458-04:00Bob wrote: The AP and the Washington Post have mad...Bob wrote: <i>The AP and the Washington Post have made several weeks of bogus statements official. At liberal and liberal-ish sites, the children are going to follow behind</i> <br />Naturally, since the AP and the Washington Post <i>are</i> liberal or liberal-ish sites.<br /><br />This incident illustrates that Hillary is well-treated by the media, not badly treated as Bob claims. When Fiorina made a mistake about the specific source of the fact the Planned Parenthood harvested and distributed fetal parts, the media spent days focused on her lying. OTOH when Hillary made a false statement in support of a false narrative, the media reported <i>as fact</i> that her false statement was true.<br />David in Calnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-88507079280994967952015-10-19T14:22:20.114-04:002015-10-19T14:22:20.114-04:00"Calling Somerby a racist . . ."
He/she..."Calling Somerby a racist . . ."<br /><br />He/she didn't. He/she said Somerby was "acting like an apologist for racism" and he has been doing that for quite some time -- attempting to justify everything from Confederate flag-waving to rodeo clowns to shooting black kid in the street.<br /><br />Incidentally, if you read the link below to Hillary Clinton's op-ed in the Birmingham paper, that's no "dog whisle" she's using. She is flat out calling it racism.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-6461121242615197252015-10-19T13:52:24.653-04:002015-10-19T13:52:24.653-04:00Of course! Politicans are blameless for what they ...Of course! Politicans are blameless for what they say! It's the fault of those evil reporters who report it!<br /><br />But you know what? As few readers as this blog has, casual and otherwise, I wonder how many have or will click on to the seventh day in a row of this and will click right back off.<br /><br />Bob does have a way of beating expired equines, doesn't he?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-90515924249425833422015-10-19T13:47:28.844-04:002015-10-19T13:47:28.844-04:00"We haven’t found a transcript of Candidate C..."We haven’t found a transcript of Candidate Clinton’s speech" said Bob Somerby. Did he look hard for one? We don't know. We do know reports of Clinton's remarks make it sound very, very similar to an Op-ed piece submitted under her name to AL.com, the online version of the Birmingham News. Bob readers know the blogger is fasmiliar with this site, since in his series on this issue he has quoted frequently from columns posted there by Kyle Whitmire and John Archibald.<br /><br />Bob can't find a transcript of Clinton's remarks. But the content of the op-ed dealing with Alabama was posted in full in his own comment box oin Saturday. His readers attacked it saying its content indicated the writer had not read anything Somerby had written about the facts in this series. Of course the comment was posted as Anonymous without anyone indicating it was the words of Hillary Clinton.<br /><br />Bob can't find a transcript. But it took him until the seventh post in this series to mention Clinton by name when he knew Clinton issued a statement on this issue before Rachel Madddow spoke a word about it.<br /><br />And Bob still hasn't brought himself to tell his readers precisely what Hillary Clinton has put on her own campaign website and in an op-ed piece in Alabama. <br /><br />http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/10/hillary_clinton_alabama_remain.html#incart_river_mobileshort<br /><br />Oh, and Bobfans. One more mention that Clinton isn't a journalist and we will do a long "blast from Bob Somerby past" on what he did to President Obama over the 77% pay gap.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-86349066579453306592015-10-19T12:25:04.549-04:002015-10-19T12:25:04.549-04:00"The basic facts are not changed if there are..."The basic facts are not changed if there are misstatements."<br /><br />Nope, the facts aren't changed. Facts are stubborn that way.<br /><br />But what *are* the basic facts?<br /><br />Your casual slippage between "harder for poor people" and "racism" reveals your oh so noble intentions, and also betrays that you haven't the slightest grasp on what those "basic facts" actually are.Thought Leadernoreply@blogger.com