tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post1742517044655188772..comments2024-03-29T10:53:25.252-04:00Comments on the daily howler: What the heck is a misquotation?<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-28378282339425630832013-08-26T11:55:51.050-04:002013-08-26T11:55:51.050-04:00I wonder what Vint Cerf had to say about Mr. Gore&...I wonder what Vint Cerf <a href="http://web.eecs.umich.edu/~fessler/misc/funny/gore,net.txt" rel="nofollow">had to say</a> about Mr. Gore's reckless credit grab? Also, I'm sure his long-time nemesis Newt Gingrich probably <a href="http://blogs.ajc.com/business-beat/2012/04/24/gore-in-internet-hall-of-fame/" rel="nofollow"> slammed him </a>for his unwarranted boasting.<br /><br />Right?Quaker in a Basementnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-32282035153130823192013-08-24T09:06:37.177-04:002013-08-24T09:06:37.177-04:00Hey Bob, what page of your book discusses the Gore...Hey Bob, what page of your book discusses the Gore/Internet thing? (And don't say "passim")Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-48150405205826304972013-08-23T23:57:03.059-04:002013-08-23T23:57:03.059-04:00Because Gore was painted as a liar by the press he...Because Gore was painted as a liar by the press he got three and a half million more votes than the President of his same party <br />garnered just four years before in winning re-election. <br /><br />You have to ask, did Al Gore narrowly lose an election because he made a statement which, on its face, invited poking fun at him? Maybe. But at the time of the fun poking he was trailing Bill Bradley in a primary, which he went on to win. He also trailed Bush in polls, but went on to win the popular vote. He also probably won Florida and the electoral college, and that was not taken away because the press had a field day with this and other quotes.<br /><br />You have to ask if the folks in New Hampshire who voted for Nader over Gore and Bush, thus allowing Bush to capture that state and make Flordia's outcome relevant, did so because Al Gore was portrayed as a prevaricator in the press. I tend to doubt it, but it is possible. Anything is possible. My guess is they voted for Nader because he is a self righteous ideologue who appeals to a sufficiently sized handful of like minded folk. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-52618233488849044022013-08-23T20:49:55.246-04:002013-08-23T20:49:55.246-04:00Because Al Gore was painted as a liar by the press...Because Al Gore was painted as a liar by the press, he narrowly lost an election (some believe he won it but was robbed by the Supreme Court) that put Bush into office. Bush not only failed to prevent 9/11 and started the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but he did nothing whatsoever about global warming. Now we are past the tipping point where climate effects cannot be prevented and we are suffering wildfires, tornadoes and hurricanes and flooding, with more to come. It may turn out that failure to join hands with other countries to mitigate climate effects has been the biggest tragedy in the story of how Gore was kept out of office. And it all hinges on journalistic malfeasance.<br /><br />You have to ask, what response costs will we suffer by permitting distraction from dealing with current problems? How big a disaster has our financial collapse been and what will be the long term consequences, while we are being distracted by racial name-calling from the fact that our government is paralyzed and not acting on anything much these days?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-54480389574435942582013-08-23T17:25:58.725-04:002013-08-23T17:25:58.725-04:00Yep. Big mistake on my part. You were correct. No...Yep. Big mistake on my part. You were correct. No. That is wrong. You were right.<br />The error will not be repeated. I mean replicated.<br /><br />You must, however, share my delight that all is right in the world and that, with this post, Bob is taking K. Seelye off her momentary pedestal and placing her back amongst the Guild Against Gore Gang where she belongs.<br /><br />PPPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-70825051286076691112013-08-23T17:08:50.966-04:002013-08-23T17:08:50.966-04:00No, I pointed it out because it was funny that you...No, I pointed it out because it was funny that you bolded a journalist misquoting big Al while using it as evidence of what he actually said.<br /><br />See, it's like goldy or bronzey, but made of iron.<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-91160712206593734352013-08-23T16:43:53.431-04:002013-08-23T16:43:53.431-04:00Poo Poo Platter: (Quotes Au Gratin but Not Forgott...Poo Poo Platter: (Quotes Au Gratin but Not Forgotten)<br /><br />The "quote" Bob laments: <br /><br />"I <strong>invented</strong> the internet." Nobody, attributed to A. Gore<br /><br />The quote Bob remembers: <br /><br />"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the <strong>initiative in creating</strong> the Internet. I took the <strong>initiative</strong> in moving forward a whole range of <strong>initiatives</strong>....." A. Gore<br /><br />The quote Bob sometimes forgets:<br /><br />"I would say that my biggest mistake was in my choice of words when I claimed to have taken the lead in the Congress in <strong>creating</strong> the Internet.....<br /><br />I'm -- you know, I'm not proud of what I did to try to take too much credit for it, but I'm proud of what I did to further that goal and bring it along." A Gore <br /><br />You know, I got taken to task the other day when examining this famous quote for not recognizing the crucial difference between "invent" and "create." <br /><br />We hold the truth of that criticism to be self evident. All words are not invented equal. They are endowed by their Inventor to have certain separate and non synonymous meaning, among these are lives of their own, liberty to paraphrase and the pursuit of parody.<br /><br />Long live A. Gore. Initiator of Initiatives. Creator of the Internet. Not The Inventor of the Internet.<br /><br />Tommorrow: We'll sail down Love Canal telling a Love Story, never having to say we're sorry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-89806871129365808112013-08-23T15:09:54.331-04:002013-08-23T15:09:54.331-04:00No one put it in the same category. You however a...No one put it in the same category. You however are moving it from the category of quoting to the category of paraphrasing. Dowd used quotation marks, which you give artistic license to. Are there new rules in the newsroom? Do the new rules include the words "largely verbatim patchwork?"<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-23403228386329108362013-08-23T14:47:32.210-04:002013-08-23T14:47:32.210-04:00Would it have made any difference to the biased co...Would it have made any difference to the biased corporate lress corps if Gore had said, "During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in the creation of the internet?" That's obviously what he meant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-62391206740329627692013-08-23T14:33:04.477-04:002013-08-23T14:33:04.477-04:00"During my service in the United States Congr..."During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the internet." -- Al Gore<br /><br />To call "Al Gore says he invented the internet" a paraphrase is to redefine the word.<br /><br />To put Dowd's largely verbatim patchwork in the same category with the foregoing late-night joke is a bum rap, not entirely unlike saying murder and jaywalking are both violations of the law. I doubt this example of Dowdic mewing will get us into a war.<br /><br />Living up to Howler's admirable standards is a difficult task we all fall short of more often than we'd like -- as Howler himself appears to demonstrate today.Jeeves Stumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17716700263908484003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-61604864257790182152013-08-23T13:19:59.786-04:002013-08-23T13:19:59.786-04:00Truly, Dowd is a malicious and false columnist. A ...Truly, Dowd is a malicious and false columnist. A tragedy to have such a person writing for the NYTimes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-92063288375454796592013-08-23T13:17:25.323-04:002013-08-23T13:17:25.323-04:00The false use of quotation marks in this instance ...The false use of quotation marks in this instance was entirely beyond excuse and should be cause of real worry by NYTimes editors. Maureen Dowd faked a quote in a way that was obviously intended to be harmful, but that the quote was faked is what matters.<br /><br />Faking quotes is intolerable, and there is no way the faking could have been accidental.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com