tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post197923003857942121..comments2024-03-28T21:42:44.372-04:00Comments on the daily howler: KEVIN'S LIST: Seven possible ways to lose votes!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger70125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-24135472819024129242022-11-18T09:22:54.687-05:002022-11-18T09:22:54.687-05:00anon 10:06 - There are obviously objective criteri...anon 10:06 - There are obviously objective criteria for evaluating judges, and for determining who is qualified to be appointed or elected a judge. These Colorado standards apparently measure a prospective judge's qualifications, not whether a prospective judge is the "most qualified" candidate ever, but even there, there is subjectivity involved. There are many things that make a good judge, one primary thing being to set aside one's prejudices in making a decision,.which isn't easy to do. The issue (somewhat irrelevant thing to be arguing about I would say) was TDH's taking issue with those saying that Jackson was the "most" qualified person ever nominated for SCOTUS. As to whether someone is the "most" qualified, subjectivity certainly enters into it, it's a matter of opinion. If the issue is whether she was "qualified" as opposed to whether she was the "most qualified", then I think it's reasonable to opine that she was and is qualified. I certainly think it was a valid appointment. What TDH also addressed was the controversy as to whether Jackson was treated in an outrageously unfair (racist?) manner by some Republican senators. TDH took issue with some of these claims. I didn't watch the hearings, but TDH may well have been correct that some of the outrage was unjustified. AC/MAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-81166960551523280482022-11-18T01:59:05.404-05:002022-11-18T01:59:05.404-05:00Yeah, one was an experienced professional politici...<br />Yeah, one was an experienced professional politician, and the other just a rich spoiled boy.<br /><br />But then, as Noam Chomsky once observed, political campaigns are designed by the same people who sell toothpaste and cars. <br /><br />...and thank you, dear dembot, for sharing your concern about our perceived lack of understanding. It's touching. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-91068424454312568302022-11-18T00:30:38.484-05:002022-11-18T00:30:38.484-05:008:47: “Trolling” Drum? You mean by disagreeing wit...8:47: “Trolling” Drum? You mean by disagreeing with him about his list, the way many of his commenters do? I mentioned Drum’s position on Medicare for All because it is relevant to his views about “centrists” that…wait for it… Somerby is referring to here. mhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-75600443567483809882022-11-17T23:12:44.985-05:002022-11-17T23:12:44.985-05:00How was it so close between Nixon and JFK? You may...How was it so close between Nixon and JFK? You may like Somerby but you don’t seem to understand what you read.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-66804985339059820012022-11-17T23:07:54.683-05:002022-11-17T23:07:54.683-05:00No, it isn’tNo, it isn’tAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-43276296802400760562022-11-17T22:56:57.408-05:002022-11-17T22:56:57.408-05:00Bob makes a good point, as he usually does. With a...Bob makes a good point, as he usually does. With all of the absolute lunacy we've seen from Trump and the Republican party in recent years, how in the world are our elections this close? Things have gone off the rails. I blame Mao and Church Lady.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-71901523926564636252022-11-17T22:25:52.298-05:002022-11-17T22:25:52.298-05:00I read that you comment on Drum’s blog. I took you...I read that you comment on Drum’s blog. I took your saying that Drum moderates his site as definitively stating that you can’t treat Drum as you treat Somerby. <br /><br />Yeah. <br /><br /> (You’re a mensch, Bob.)<br /><br />My first response here was to mh. I don’t get the unabomber thing, other than an anonymouse saying I had agreed with a Unabomber quote before I had even posted on this thread. <br /> <br />sheesh. <br /><br /><br /><br />Ceceliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15162272807640653299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-45967846767364760712022-11-17T22:11:19.521-05:002022-11-17T22:11:19.521-05:00Actually, that is from Digby.Actually, that is from Digby.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-88086817905736383212022-11-17T22:06:26.058-05:002022-11-17T22:06:26.058-05:00Not even substantially. In CO, a panel evaluates j...Not even substantially. In CO, a panel evaluates judge performance to help voters decide who to retain. They evaluate them on knowledge of the law, courtroom decorum, continuing education, communication skills, administrative performance, integrity, interactions with attorneys, service to the legal profession and public, etc. This applies to all CO judges, including CO Supreme Court. Not subjective at all, but surprising you would think so, being an attorney yourself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-15671673664545150412022-11-17T21:59:02.932-05:002022-11-17T21:59:02.932-05:00anon 8:05 - So America s the "most racist soc...anon 8:05 - So America s the "most racist society in history?" Moreso, I suppose than the Union of south Africa and Nazi Germany, then. So with all this inequality, how does this get rectified? I don't think calling people racists who aren't is the answer.AC/MAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-70909387987547341202022-11-17T21:57:52.008-05:002022-11-17T21:57:52.008-05:00The idea that everyone has gone crazy is Somerby’s...The idea that everyone has gone crazy is Somerby’s pitch. It isn’t true. Somerby has also been pushing the idea that some people are insane, which you repeat. There is no 8:34. Too bad Somerby’s idea about respecting others didn’t sink in, but hard to respect those you call crazy. It is as if you reserve sanity for only those you agree with.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-63205692284386229632022-11-17T21:50:48.197-05:002022-11-17T21:50:48.197-05:00I already told you that I comment there. Your host...I already told you that I comment there. Your hostility gets in the way of seeing what people are saying.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-11833377850768781812022-11-17T21:50:47.986-05:002022-11-17T21:50:47.986-05:00anon 6:30 - ok, not totally subjective ; just subs...anon 6:30 - ok, not totally subjective ; just substantially subjective. He's not a racist.That's where so many are going off the rails - it's Orwellian. <br />AC/MAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-41078599495323755212022-11-17T21:41:16.398-05:002022-11-17T21:41:16.398-05:00MH, as I said, I'm a Democrat. If I lived in O...MH, as I said, I'm a Democrat. If I lived in Ohio I'd have voted for Ryan. I think both sides have gone crazy (not everyone on each side). Look at anon 8:34, he's a lunatic.AC/MAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-73599449706467975642022-11-17T21:14:22.320-05:002022-11-17T21:14:22.320-05:00It’s a “no” then due to moderation.
I’m not surp...It’s a “no” then due to moderation. <br /><br />I’m not surprised that’s what it would take. Ceceliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15162272807640653299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-72872069047361542252022-11-17T21:08:45.247-05:002022-11-17T21:08:45.247-05:00Drum moderates his comments, unlike Somerby. It ke...Drum moderates his comments, unlike Somerby. It keeps out the riffraff and permits more discussion. Several folks who used to comment here have been commenting there for years. If Somerby would stop lying about being liberal, I would leave too.<br /><br />Love the way you got suckered by the Unabomber quotes, by the way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-20463830476432271502022-11-17T20:57:00.532-05:002022-11-17T20:57:00.532-05:00Is that a “no”? Is that a “no”? Ceceliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15162272807640653299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-5110673884602717762022-11-17T20:55:14.606-05:002022-11-17T20:55:14.606-05:00I read and occasionally comment there when Drum ma...I read and occasionally comment there when Drum makes a stats mistake. Usually other commenters beat me to whatever I was going to say. Unlike Somerby, Drum reads his comments. He also updates his posts based on them when warranted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-28148157684271374842022-11-17T20:47:41.626-05:002022-11-17T20:47:41.626-05:00mh, does this mean that you and the anonymices ar...mh, does this mean that you and the anonymices are planning to troll Jabberwocky or not? Ceceliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15162272807640653299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-16661176042059147752022-11-17T20:31:32.687-05:002022-11-17T20:31:32.687-05:00thisthisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-46322633879918703612022-11-17T20:27:37.569-05:002022-11-17T20:27:37.569-05:00From Daily Kos:
I have already stated that the pu...From Daily Kos:<br /><br />I have already stated that the purpose of Democrats is simply and obviously to communicate with people, and if we interrogate our sources of knowledge as to the object of such communication, it must be admitted that the response is vague. Perhaps the object will best be defined as the reinforcement of human ability by power and intelligence for the operation of individual desire and ambition. It will be seen very readily that the essence of Democrats is wanting in the second division, namely, the orthodox intention, so that it belongs really to another category, though the classification may be accepted for the moment to prevent dispute in a somewhat complex inquiry. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-19238836215434507332022-11-17T20:27:16.326-05:002022-11-17T20:27:16.326-05:00Poor Cesillyia got suckered by 11:47, laughably sw...Poor Cesillyia got suckered by 11:47, laughably swooning at their words, only to find out they were copy pasting from the Unabomber. <br /><br />Best not to respond to such sad folks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-38228053035092943132022-11-17T20:23:14.373-05:002022-11-17T20:23:14.373-05:00Somerby's stance has been debunked decades ago...Somerby's stance has been debunked decades ago.<br /><br />Somerby and his ilk - neoliberals like Clinton, turned their back on the working class, and Dems got wiped out by that nonsense stance. <br /><br />No right winger is ever going to vote for Dems, we have to motivate our voters, and we have only recently started doing that by becoming more progressive, more woke, more left - and it has been working, as opposed to Somerby's take which is to blame the victim and bow down to right wing authoritarianism.<br /><br />Somerby and Drum are facing a legacy that is utterly inconsequential; they assume they deserve more, a higher status. They are wrong. Two bitter old white men struggling to face death, externalizing blame to the blameless. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-71473129952128039852022-11-17T20:05:03.324-05:002022-11-17T20:05:03.324-05:00To deny Somerby could reasonably be labeled racist...To deny Somerby could reasonably be labeled racist is to put your head in the sand - something Somerby also likes to do.<br /><br />America continues to be the most racist society in history, there is massive inequality between Whites and Blacks on income, wealth, education, jobs, health, justice, you know name it, on and on, and yet Somerby always insists there is nothing to see here, move along he says, everything is as good as its going to get.<br /><br />Somerby is a goddam racist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-67079684885275690172022-11-17T19:02:07.105-05:002022-11-17T19:02:07.105-05:00Drum once wrote a post attacking progressive Democ...Drum once wrote a post attacking progressive Democrats (and Sanders, I suppose) for wanting to enact “Medicare for All.” Drum characterized it as an outrage or insult to “centrists”, presumably because of the imagined cost. <br /><br />Did centrists object to the ACA initially? I would argue that they did, although Drum sings its praises regularly. mhnoreply@blogger.com