tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post2047074628270415945..comments2024-03-28T13:46:15.865-04:00Comments on the daily howler: NO ONE CARES: Warning! Children at play!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-46784260386047674622012-07-12T07:59:52.774-04:002012-07-12T07:59:52.774-04:00"I check in every now and then."
Yeah, ..."I check in every now and then."<br /><br />Yeah, sure, every now and then" -- right!<br /><br />I will visit this site less and less in the future."<br /><br />We are crossing our fingers, but we don't really believe you.<br /><br />"What is that definition of insanity?"<br /><br />Expecting your whiny Bob-should-do-what-I-say nonsense to end?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-90042844756599961972012-07-11T21:58:39.532-04:002012-07-11T21:58:39.532-04:00Well, I'd thank you not to project.
As for me...Well, I'd thank you not to project.<br /><br />As for me, I used to read this blog daily. Then I got bored with the endless posts about how Bush didn't really lie when he said those "sixteen words" in the State of the Union. It was the most bald-faced lie any president, even Nixon, ever told and its consequences were enormous.<br /><br />I check in every now and then hoping Somerby has returned to form, only to find endless posts about whatever some MSNBC host said last night, Somerby of course telling his fans he could have said it much, much better.<br /><br />In other words, Bob has become a boor.<br /><br />I will, however, take the advice above and visit this site less and less in the future, still hoping upon hope that it will become fresh and original again.<br /><br />But then again, what is that definition of insanity?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-77540805731278378222012-07-11T15:50:14.800-04:002012-07-11T15:50:14.800-04:00TL;DR:
Somerby should ignore MSNBC.
He should do...TL;DR:<br /><br />Somerby should ignore MSNBC.<br /><br />He should do what I say instead.<br /><br />He's wasting his time and yours.<br /><br />I will be back to tell you this again and again and again and again and again. <br /><br />It's a freee internet and I'm a freeeeee thinker! Lalalala I can't hear yoooo...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-74297435559279223772012-07-11T14:09:08.484-04:002012-07-11T14:09:08.484-04:00Christ, this "Why doesn't Somerby discuss...Christ, this "Why doesn't Somerby discuss the things I want him to discuss?" crap is really getting old.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-7046802383838147722012-07-11T12:52:42.491-04:002012-07-11T12:52:42.491-04:00"If you feel time is being wasted, surely mos..."If you feel time is being wasted, surely most of that waste is under your own control?"<br /><br />In other words, love it or leave it? Are you really unaware of what internet culture is? And if you want your own little clubhouse, wouldn't it be better to take it off-line, or make it subscription only? When folks want the limelight, they had better be prepared for criticism, no?<br /><br />One might add here that Somerby's relentless, and gratuitously personal, focus on MSNBC hosts (even their press interviews are unacceptable to Somerby) is at the expense of not examining the biases and failures of "mainstream media". What goes on during a typical network TV Sunday morning, for example, is far more pernicious than Rachel Maddow's pandering and smirks.<br /><br />Or look at print journalism. Right-wing talking points are SOP on the WaPO front page when the subject is either Terrorism or the Deficit -- and not infrequently so at NYT as well. <br /><br />But this goes largely unremarked upon at The Howler. Why? In large part, because Somerby is not sufficiently well-informed to critique actual substance, as opposed to attitude, on which he's apparently an expert. <br /><br />But, unfortunately, we have no shortage of attitude experts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-84591443266438727862012-07-11T12:37:25.084-04:002012-07-11T12:37:25.084-04:00If *anyone* wants to spend some time showing what ...If *anyone* wants to spend some time showing what a fraud MSNBC is, the effort will only be called a waste of time by those with an axe to grind.<br /><br />No one, literally no one makes you return here, day after day, week in week out, to defend MSNBC.<br /><br />If you feel time is being wasted, surely most of that waste is under your own control?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-16539294317718865072012-07-11T11:31:54.762-04:002012-07-11T11:31:54.762-04:00Anon 11:05
I'd go a further than that. MSNBC...Anon 11:05<br /><br />I'd go a further than that. MSNBC isn't liberal, and it isn't trying to do a good job for liberals, so assessing the job it isn't trying to do makes little sense.<br /><br />What Bob -- and his defenders here -- simply refuse to recognize is you can detest the work Rachel Maddow and the rest of that miserable crew, but still find the endless MSNBC criticism here ridiculous and a waste of time, because what goes on at MSBNC has no effect on national politics, unless you're going to argue, preposterously, that MSNBC *trying to be an effective liberal voice, but somehow failing, because it lacks Somerby's deep understanding and insight.<br /><br />If Bob wants to spend his life disabusing Rachel's fans, good luck with it, but I'd say there are more pressing questions(?)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-6969439339646689792012-07-11T11:18:51.769-04:002012-07-11T11:18:51.769-04:00a couple of those "many" s/b "may&q...a couple of those "many" s/b "may" -- damn fingers!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-19549982202850037932012-07-11T11:16:00.611-04:002012-07-11T11:16:00.611-04:00I'm not sure Bob is convinced MSNBC "want...I'm not sure Bob is convinced MSNBC "wants to win it for Democrats." He sure never said that.<br /><br />I think what Bob is saying (and showing) is that MSNBC are making a pretense of this -- primarily through their clownish antics and mockery of Romney and other Republicans.<br /><br />The problem is precisely that this is only a ruse.<br /><br />The unfortunate effect of this is that many viewers many not be so free-thinking as yourself. Many many think the presentations they get on MSNBC constitute real analysis of the issues.<br /><br />When we have the opportunity to study these things, we generally do find that people who consume media do believe the "facts" they get from it. This applies to both FOX and MSNBC. And to the New York Times.<br /><br />So, yes, the current "style," if you will, at MSBNC is a fraud and it is the viewers (and there are many) of those programs who are being given a surface of opposition to right-wing policy and support for "progressive" policy. But only a surface.<br /><br />There really should be a blog devoted to showing how it's just a surface...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-87473737283985663862012-07-11T11:13:20.775-04:002012-07-11T11:13:20.775-04:00The point of tax increases is to fund government. ...The point of tax increases is to fund government. The size of the increases isn't the point -- it is what the government will do with the money. Republicans have taken the position that they do not want to pay for anything.<br /><br />Bob has been calling the media elite "Potemkin." Does that suggest he believes MSNBC is the policy arm of the Democrats?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-24554582466306106012012-07-11T11:05:13.144-04:002012-07-11T11:05:13.144-04:00So you agree with Somerby:
MSNBC is doing a lousy...So you agree with Somerby:<br /><br />MSNBC is doing a lousy job for "liberals."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-48369273387505058432012-07-11T10:59:01.089-04:002012-07-11T10:59:01.089-04:00While it's clear that Fox clearly wants to win...While it's clear that Fox clearly wants to win the election for the Republicans, what in the world has given Bob the idea that MSNBC (i.e., GE and Comcast) want to win it for Democrats?<br /><br />This is, of course, the heart of the false equivalency. MSNBC is about ratings. Fox is about policy and influencing policy -- Fox News being the lobbying arm of Murdoch's entertainment business.<br /><br />For Bob, however, they're the same. Anyone see a problem here? Bob and his fans clearly don't, which is perhaps a problem?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-38512193204163871252012-07-11T10:58:09.161-04:002012-07-11T10:58:09.161-04:00While it's clear that Fox clearly wants to win...While it's clear that Fox clearly wants to win the election for the Republicans, what in the world has given Bob the idea that MSNBC (i.e., GE and Comcast) want to win it for Democrats?<br /><br />This is, of course, the heart of the false equivalency. MSNBC is about ratings. Fox is about policy and influencing policy -- Fox News being the lobbying arm of Murdoch's entertainment business.<br /><br />For Bob, however, they're the same. Anyone see a problem here? Bob and his fans clearly don't, which is perhaps a problem?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-89829697318039559332012-07-11T10:28:37.293-04:002012-07-11T10:28:37.293-04:00[idiocy]
It's not Anderson Cooper's job t...[idiocy]<br /><br />It's not Anderson Cooper's job to point out that claim's false.<br /><br />It's not Michel Martin's job to point out that claim's false.<br /><br />It's not the Kool Kids' jobs to point out that claim's false.<br /><br />It's not NPR, CNN or MSNBC's job to understand the danger of that claim and show it's false.<br /><br />It's FOX's job. It's Somerby's job.<br /><br />NPR, CNN and especially MSNBC are doing yeoman work, keeping us entertained. <br /><br />Trust us, Bob -- we can think for ourselves! We know Obama's very likely to lose this election. We just want to share some fun with like-minded "liberals" while the ship goes down.<br /><br />Shut up, Somerby, unless you are going to go after the real villains!<br /><br />[/idiocy]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com