tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post2306640090676159686..comments2024-03-29T03:35:00.114-04:00Comments on the daily howler: WE READ THE SUNDAY REVIEW: Before we encountered the Sunday Review!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-44910881103755757112016-11-10T12:23:01.019-05:002016-11-10T12:23:01.019-05:00I'm never wrong and I will never die. I mailed...I'm never wrong and I will never die. I mailed my vote in from Rome. I sit at the head of every table. You'll always be able to turn to me ac. I will always show you the way. You and me. The last of the true. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-49726207486280585062016-11-10T11:59:01.168-05:002016-11-10T11:59:01.168-05:00Mc I voted for hrc. Of course I wanted her to win...Mc I voted for hrc. Of course I wanted her to win. There's an interesting blog post by jay rosen on pressthink about trump's replication and expansion of the retreat from empiricism. You should read it and some of the links in it if you haven't already. It shows why Bob's work is so accurate. But also why there's reason to believe bullshit excuses can still gain purchase in the future. The head up stuff was a cut and paste from a Tupac song.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-6938785200258537372016-11-10T04:31:09.962-05:002016-11-10T04:31:09.962-05:00Ditto, thanks Bob.Ditto, thanks Bob.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-52454304991173190462016-11-09T18:24:50.384-05:002016-11-09T18:24:50.384-05:00At anon 12:58
Your contention that Sander's c...At anon 12:58<br /><br />Your contention that Sander's campaign "provided cover" for supposed misogynists is way off base.<br /><br />Bernie would have won this election. If this doesn't convince you that Bernie's popularity was about his stance on the issues, well then, I don't think anything will.<br /><br />https://youtu.be/XcaSYclEKQg?t=86Kratiushttps://youtu.be/XcaSYclEKQgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-14126798343547327292016-11-09T17:19:11.052-05:002016-11-09T17:19:11.052-05:00anon 3:45, TDH doesn't criticize Clinton at al...anon 3:45, TDH doesn't criticize Clinton at all. I don't know where you get that. The whole column is attacking the so-called liberal media and msnbc crew. Please don't leave!AC/MAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-17686675721045858072016-11-09T17:13:54.585-05:002016-11-09T17:13:54.585-05:00anon 3:13, though I lack your extraordinary abilit...anon 3:13, though I lack your extraordinary abilities to foresee the future, my view is that what happens is the candidates for president always promise that they will solve all these problems, the economy will be great, everyone will have great jobs, we'll prevail over our foreign adversaries, etc, etc; they have to say all this to get elected. Once they get elected, problems will arise, these problems are intractable, things will be or seem to be lousy, and after 4 or 8 years or so, the other party gets the vote. It's not like Mexico or Japan used to be. Trump went over the top like no one else before in all his way out promises. I expect when he fails to live up most or all of them, he will be primo in bullshit excuses and denials. But the tide will turn in 4 or 8 years, unless everyone starts rolling in money again. Incidentally, I don't need your assurances to keep my head up; I'm fine. And I'm also skeptical, to put it mildly, that you wanted Clinton to win, as you claim, but were just expressing the realpolitik aspect. AC/MAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-13841074342492929472016-11-09T15:59:27.153-05:002016-11-09T15:59:27.153-05:00http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-3336172087852368452016-11-09T15:45:20.368-05:002016-11-09T15:45:20.368-05:00Clinton didn't cause Benghazi or the email sca...Clinton didn't cause Benghazi or the email scandal or any of the attacks on her. If it weren't those issues it would have been something else. Any candidate has vulnerabilities -- look how Kerry was swiftboated and how they latched onto his Frenchness. The difference is that Clinton wasn't defended and the damage was cumulative and people who should haved supported her instead started calling her a bad campaigner or a careless emailer etc. They blamed her for it instead of standing up to it. That's where the sexism comes in. The "lack of enthusiasm" is code for sexism. She was willing to put herself out there and take the heat, which was brave, and now people like Somerby are piling on. I am still trying to decide whether I will come back to this blog again. I am disappointed in Americans but I am especially disappointed in what Somerby said today about her candidacy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-85920316548930883972016-11-09T15:13:11.436-05:002016-11-09T15:13:11.436-05:00I will answer your questions so you know now what ...I will answer your questions so you know now what will happen in the future. In terms of liberal causes, yes we are screwed. In terms of us having a functioning country, we will be ok although there will less vertical movement among the classes. Betting against America has always been a bad bet. <br />That's right<br />I know it seem hard sometimes but uh<br />Remember one thing<br />Through every dark night, there's a bright day after that<br />So no matter how hard it get, stick your chest out<br />Keep your head up, and handle itAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-86138287767673156692016-11-09T14:51:52.567-05:002016-11-09T14:51:52.567-05:00Yes anon - you were right. I would add that I didn...Yes anon - you were right. I would add that I didn't say Trump wouldn't win, never said that. My view is that you find out who wins after the votes are counted. You either are much smarter than me (a distinct possibility) or just made an estimate that one of the 2 candidates would win, and it so happened that the one you named did win.<br />More interesting question is what's going to happen now? Are we screwed?AC/MAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-7729111751313583752016-11-09T14:15:52.330-05:002016-11-09T14:15:52.330-05:002:10. I told you ac in July Trump had this thing w...2:10. I told you ac in July Trump had this thing won. Word up. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-4655470371457076152016-11-09T14:10:45.095-05:002016-11-09T14:10:45.095-05:00The result is due to numerous factors. There could...The result is due to numerous factors. There could be 10 'but for' factors, and sexism could be one of the ten. Historians still can't agree one what caused World War I (let's hope Trump's election doesn't rival that as a world catastrophe). Attributing it simply to Clinton's gender is reductionism. For example, if it weren't for the bogus Benghazi issue, and the failure of the so-called liberal pundits and media to deal with it competently, she might have won (especially when you consider that the whole email farce never would have come to the fore, but for it's being exposed in the 8th Benghazi investigation). AC/MAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-88934579492651074192016-11-09T14:01:12.754-05:002016-11-09T14:01:12.754-05:00Ditto to the above from meDitto to the above from meAC/MAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-69414272284902484412016-11-09T13:35:02.424-05:002016-11-09T13:35:02.424-05:00Congrats, Bob. You've been saying for a very ...Congrats, Bob. You've been saying for a very long time that it is possible that Trump would become President of the US,and that our feckless media leaves us vulnerable to that happening. I noticed many commenters mocking for that, especially early on. Well, you were right.<br /><br /><br />I feel bad for that Bonier guy. That's embarrassingly wrong. I bet he's feeling quite limp today. Just totally flaccid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-55711880714514328322016-11-09T13:10:22.472-05:002016-11-09T13:10:22.472-05:00You are not a statistics pro, much less a polling ...You are not a statistics pro, much less a polling expert. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-62171168457907645962016-11-09T12:58:55.515-05:002016-11-09T12:58:55.515-05:00I agree with Rebecca Traister's analysis that ...I agree with Rebecca Traister's analysis that the opposition to Hillary has been due to male refusal to accept a female president. It was first embodied by Bernie's campaign, providing cover for those who didn't want a female candidate. Then all those men came out in droves to make sure she didn't gain office.<br /><br />I agree also with Jamelle Bouie's analysis that this is a backlash against our first black president and his policies of social change. The people supposedly demanding change are actually demanding a return to previous conditions before Obama changed things.<br /><br />Viewed in those terms, the election is not so hard to understand. Traister says that Trump embodies everything opposite to Clinton, and that is the whole point of voting for him. Add a layer of alt-right white racism and you have it all.<br /><br />People who thought in those terms could have predicted the outcome. People of course do not want to admit to being sexist, misogynist or racist, so the polls mean nothing except that people know the right answers even when they diverge from their own feelings.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-90581885648289926992016-11-09T12:55:15.450-05:002016-11-09T12:55:15.450-05:00Good news makes people fat and happy. These "...Good news makes people fat and happy. These "liberal" media entertainers are just opiates of the masses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-33250679833246852662016-11-09T12:27:50.334-05:002016-11-09T12:27:50.334-05:00Bonier's survey was alleged to be particulary ...Bonier's survey was alleged to be particulary accurate, because it was based on a survey of 3.6 million Floridians <i>who had already cast early votes</i>. Speaking as a statistics pro, this isn't enough. It well might be (as it actually was) that the early voters aren't a random sample. Hillary voters might be more apt to vote early than Trump voters. Or, Hillary voters might be more willing to tell exit pollsters who they voted for than Trump voters.David in Calhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10222355423128534221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-49899380385788118812016-11-09T12:24:58.309-05:002016-11-09T12:24:58.309-05:00I want to to second Jonny's comment. Bob, I fi...I want to to second Jonny's comment. Bob, I find your coverage of the media indispensable, and unavailable anywhere else. I know you don't think so, but to me it seems that your persistence is oh-so-slowly beginning to pay off. The idea that the mainstream media have gotten things terribly, terribly wrong is gradually creeping into the Overton window, and you have played a major, albeit largely unacknowledged, role in that. I know it came too late. I know the prospect off a Trump presidency is profoundly dismaying, but it is also the kind of calamity that may permit a re-examination of how we got here.<br /><br />By all means grieve, but then please reapply yourself to your Sisyphean task. Your country needs you.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18279699469077090424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-71600452744010544022016-11-09T12:12:14.778-05:002016-11-09T12:12:14.778-05:00Bob - I've read many liberal blogs this mornin...Bob - I've read many liberal blogs this morning that include a lot of recriminations against the people/institutions that they see as responsible for this awful result. Some of them say something about listening to the people who got it right.<br /><br />I just want to say that you're one of those who regularly get things right. Your work on the 2000 election is the most important unexplored political story of the past 30 years (maybe more), and you were right a couple years ago when you kept warning us that the Benghazi BS was going to cause major problems if it wasn't responded-to.<br /><br />I guess that I shouldn't be surprised that no one listens to you, because I've noticed that people don't like to confront the truth. I just hope that you don't stop doing the great work that you regularly produce.<br /><br />Thanks.Jonny Scrum-halfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10700652770637696602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-32795337196593914882016-11-09T11:58:27.672-05:002016-11-09T11:58:27.672-05:00Are you going through a break-up or divorce? Do yo...Are you going through a break-up or divorce? Do you need your Ex back fast? do not cry anymore, contact Dr .Unity powerful Love spell that work fast now!! 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