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The top 1% pays 3% of payroll taxes, the top 5% pays 14.1% and the top 10% pays 26.7%Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-7035977176782176572012-03-23T15:19:34.702-04:002012-03-23T15:19:34.702-04:0044.24% average for *all* taxes is not a lot. It p...44.24% average for *all* taxes is not a lot. It pays for the roads. It pays for the schools. It pays for water. It pays for sewage. It pays for clean air. It pays for the trash to be collected. It pays for the fire department. It pays for the police. It pays for the space program. It pays for international aid. It pays for the state and national parks. It should pay for health care. I'm glad that I live in a place that, by and large, understands that pooling resources for the greater good is almost always seen as progress.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-43361894457810808112012-03-23T14:34:59.821-04:002012-03-23T14:34:59.821-04:00I mainly agree with your point that we don't c...I mainly agree with your point that we don't communicate our points real well, but it was remarkably easy to find the distribution of income in the U.S. I simply googled "percentage of income U.S and came up with this: http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=percetage+of+income&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=percetage+of+income+us&oq=percetage+of+income+us&aq=f&aqi=g-l4&aql=1&gs_l=serp.3..0i13l4.2831l3567l0l3608l3l3l0l0l0l0l325l459l0j1j0j1l2l0.efis.1.&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=32a0db2695f1626c&biw=1171&bih=680<br /><br />Clicking on the first link, I found this wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States<br /><br />The 40th percentile make an average of $35,000 to $37,499 (assuming this was your question.<br /><br />No, the average person will not look for this info, but it is readily available.Ufotofu9https://www.blogger.com/profile/12211994492168099117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-34276914865308933122012-03-23T14:04:33.108-04:002012-03-23T14:04:33.108-04:00If you've heard me say this before, please sto...If you've heard me say this before, please stop me.<br />Journalist or media could construct graphics for half a dozen or a dozen theoretical individuals &/or families showing raw dollars and percentages for income, expenses, taxes, etc. A reader could self-identify their composite. These theoretical families could be reference points for the effects of any proposal. Aside: At one time, I though TIME had a great graphics department that made sense out of complicated news.Joe Laveryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06273316707995351232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-85186177925735002392012-03-23T13:00:38.674-04:002012-03-23T13:00:38.674-04:00That's a good job, Anonymous. You may be right...That's a good job, Anonymous. You may be right that other taxes are on average flat across income groups. State income tax isn't flat. OTOH sales tax is regressive. It also depends on how one treats taxes not directly paid by individuals, such state and federal corporate income tax, property tax paid by landlords, employer portion of payroll taxes, etc.<br /><br />Anon, you produced one figure that deserves to be highlighted. Government, at all levels, took 44.24% of personal income in taxes in 2009. That's a lot. 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Everybody with an agenda selectively quotes only part of the data. And most reporters without an agenda haven't a clue, they just pick up some version of the selectively-reported data.<br /><br />I recommend the Congressional Budget Office, which publishes comprehensive and well-explained tables every few years. This is the data that pretty much every <i>other</i> honest analysis starts from, before applying their own tweaks.<br /><br />The CBO looks at four different ways in which we pay federal taxes:<br /><br />1. Income tax, including refundable tax credits (meaning that the bottom tranches have a negative tax rate)<br />2. Payroll tax, including paid on your behalf by your employer<br />3. Excise tax, such as gasoline or telephone tax<br />4. Corporate tax, which is counted as if the stock holders (more exactly, the dividend receivers) paid it.<br /><br />I think you can quibble with some of the CBO's methods. But I also think this is far and away the clearest and most complete no axe to grind explication.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com