tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post2400757800891778138..comments2024-03-28T11:40:20.499-04:00Comments on the daily howler: SNAPSHOTS OF A CULTURE: Candidate Warren delivers the snark!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger86125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-29908681245761720172021-07-27T13:23:53.094-04:002021-07-27T13:23:53.094-04:00LOTTO, lottery,jackpot.
Hello all my viewers, I am...LOTTO, lottery,jackpot.<br />Hello all my viewers, I am very happy for sharing this great testimonies,The best thing that has ever happened in my life is how I win the lottery euro million mega jackpot. I am a Woman who believe that one day I will win the lottery. finally my dreams came through when I email believelovespelltemple@gmail.com and tell him I need the lottery numbers. I have spend so much money on ticket just to make sure I win. But I never know that winning was so easy until the day I meant the spell caster online which so many people has talked about that he is very great in casting lottery spell, . so I decide to give it a try.I contacted this great Dr Believe and he did a spell and he gave me the winning lottery numbers. But believe me when the draws were out I was among winners. I win 30,000 million Dollar. Dr Believe truly you are the best, all thanks to you forever<br />Nitish Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17635701932421156767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-67711785550678956572019-10-18T22:41:53.786-04:002019-10-18T22:41:53.786-04:00I don’t mean to parrot Christian teachings as much...<i>I don’t mean to parrot Christian teachings as much as to relay them.</i><br /><br />Fair enough. I do that sometimes when discussing religious dogma I don’t hold to.<br /><br /><i>God is lifted above that maze</i><br /><br />It is possible to consider spacetime as single entity called a manifold, which is a topological space with mathematical structures. (These structures allow us to define things like the distance between points in the manifold.) Mathematicians and physicists like to attach the names of various of their worthies to these manifolds. Minkowski, for instance. This can all be done without considering there’s some higher-order space in which a manifold is embedded, i.e., somewhere for an intelligent entity to inhabit and view anything.<br /><br /><i>If there is only one door then that is the limit of our freedom</i><br /><br />So that means there is no free will?<br /><br /><i>(and it may reflect the “limit” of God’s freedom of design too,</i><br /><br />Wait. So that means God is not omnipotent?<br /><br /><i>if there are to be any physical laws, just as such things effect architects.)</i><br /><br />Physical laws aren’t things. They’re mathematical descriptions of the regularities we find in our investigations of the universe, i.e., they’re descriptive abstractions of human minds, not prescriptive diktats.<br /><br />(<i>Affect</i> architects? I can’t be sure.)<br /><br /><i>They are all in “real time” to his </i>[god’s]<i> viewing.</i><br /><br />The scare quotes again. There is no “flow” of time in this view, so real time makes no sense here. I have no idea what the quoted real time could mean.<br /><br />And I have no idea why anyone would suspect that such a god exists or if he does, how he could be detected. Maybe it’s just me.deadrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02828198094140822987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-69618168377968173472019-10-18T19:37:29.306-04:002019-10-18T19:37:29.306-04:00I’m happy to know that you enjoy my comments, beca...I’m happy to know that you enjoy my comments, because I get such a kick out of yours. I don’t preface posts with warnings about my not being a particularly lucid writer (or speller). Though you and Bob inspire me to try and be better, reader beware.<br /><br />I don’t mean to parrot Christian teachings as much as to relay them. I don’t assume that they are based on a foundation that you would regard as being intellectually compelling. I do assume you understand that I reckon this and that this is not that sort of discussion. I understand the huge assumption that prefaces my statements. <br /><br />God’s foreknowledge is not similar to clairvoyance and God does not operate in time. Every minute of past, present, and future is his “now”. God is lifted above that maze and we do operate under the constraints of his design of it, just as we do in all of the physical world, whether it is derived from God or from randomness. If there is only one door then that is the limit of our freedom (and it may reflect the “limit” of God’s freedom of design too, if there are to be any physical laws, just as such things effect architects.)<br /><br />God did not perceive our progress thru the maze as step-by-step on a timeline. It’s not plotted in such a way. Past, present, future are an eternal NOW with him. They are all in “real time” to his viewing. That is what we call his foreknowledge, because that is the limit of our dimension. <br />Ceceliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15162272807640653299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-9110101946838417992019-10-18T17:54:07.069-04:002019-10-18T17:54:07.069-04:00(<- con't)
Knowing that in the end it will...(<- con't)<br /><br /><i>Knowing that in the end it will be for naught, and yet he does so because in order for my rebellion to be "real”</i><br /><br />I know every word in that clause but I have no idea what it means, not least because of the scare quotes on the word <i>real</i>. Does that mean your rebellion is real or not really real? And if the end is for naught (and known to be from the start), what does it mean to rebel? Against what?<br /><br /><i>the fact of it must move from God's omnipotent foreknowing into the revelation of my will via my action/decision.</i><br /><br />You must realize that these words convey no meaning in English. Fact of what? Facts don’t move, even in a metaphorical sense. Do you mean the realization of some facts? What is “revelation of my will”? Will isn’t something that reveals; it’s something that motivates or propels. Via your action? What is your action the conduit for? The movement from God’s foreknowing or the movement into your will? If you met someone who talked like this in any other context, you try to get them to start taking their meds again.<br /><br />Your only refuge that I can see is, “God is beyond human understanding.” Which leaves you to base your belief on personal revelation, the argument from authority of ancient texts, and faith.<br /><br />Tell me what could not be believed by faith.<br /><br />Tell me why your personal revelation is any more valid than anyone else’s. Say the person who tells you he has had a revelation from his god to kill everyone he meets tomorrow. That last, by the way, is attested to in your holy book. You just have to add “in battle” after the word <i>meets</i>.<br />deadrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02828198094140822987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-64229804008959465992019-10-18T17:51:04.132-04:002019-10-18T17:51:04.132-04:00Cecelia,
I enjoy reading your comments even when ...Cecelia,<br /><br />I enjoy reading your comments even when I disagree with your claims and conclusions. But reading the word salad of your last comment is like finding out that a friendly but casual acquaintance is an Herbalife distributor.<br /><br /><i>Foreknowledge doesn't necessarily conflict with free will.</i><br /><br />The foreknowledge of your god stands in direct contradiction to free will. If your god knows the state you will occupy at some future point in spacetime, then you have no more choice to end up in a different state than you have of changing a past state. In fact, since your god is omniscient, he knows the path you will take to the endpoint and your state at every point along the path.<br /><br />Tell me how you choose a different outcome (or even a different path) from the one your god knows will obtain. Let me try an analogy:<br /><br />Your god has put you in a maze and told you to pick a “good” strategy or a “bad” strategy to find your way to one of two doors. He says one opens into a lit furnace; the other opens into an eden. Based on revelation or a book you’ve found on the floor of the maze, you decide to go with “right hand on the wall; turn right if you can, left if you must.” Sure enough, you eventually find yourself at a door. (Spoiler alert: it opens to oblivion.) But if you could have lifted yourself above the maze, you’d have known all along there was only the one door. Your god knew ahead of time the strategy you’d pick and thus what door you’d find, so he had need of only one. You only thought you were free to choose, but there never was and never could have been any choice.<br /><br /><i>God strives with me while knowing me.</i><br /><br />Who talks like this? The answer is that today, nobody. You can check google’s ngram viewer if you don’t believe me. This archaic phrasing is from your holy book (Psalms, prominently) and you parrot it without understanding it. I’m guessing you mean that God fights at your side in the contentions of your life. But the Hebrew word that the translator chose “strive” to represent is רִיבָה (<i>reevah</i>) meaning to fight against, not fight alongside.<br /><br />(I don’t read Hebrew; I use interlinear translations and Hebrew-English lexicons.)<br /><br /><i>Knowing me better than I know myself.</i><br /><br />I don’t know which is sillier, how low the bar is or how great are the powers which your god applies to hurdle it. We are notorious for not knowing ourselves. One half of our nervous system is beyond our conscious control, our unconscious brain lurks in our dreams just out of reach, and our memories are faulty. It’s amazing that any of us understand ourselves as well as we do. But your god knows everything, starting with the outcome of every quantum state of every particle in your body.<br /><br />(con't ->)deadrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02828198094140822987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-58836365452511323522019-10-18T03:47:56.706-04:002019-10-18T03:47:56.706-04:00"But how do any of them bear on the conflict ..."But how do any of them bear on the conflict between our alleged free will and your God’s omniscience?"<br /><br />Foreknowledge doesn't necessarily conflict with free will. <br /><br />God strives with me while knowing me. Knowing me better than I know myself. Knowing that in the end it will be for naught, and yet he does so because in order for my rebellion to be "real", the fact of it must move from God's omnipotent foreknowing into the revelation of my will via my action/decision.Ceceliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15162272807640653299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-65449429189239384482019-10-17T23:53:21.848-04:002019-10-17T23:53:21.848-04:00Cecelia,
Your last three sentences are indisputab...Cecelia,<br /><br />Your last three sentences are indisputable; your first three clauses are superstitious nonsense.<br /><br />But how do any of them bear on the conflict between our alleged free will and your God’s omniscience?<br />deadrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02828198094140822987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-44482731522691803882019-10-17T23:47:43.607-04:002019-10-17T23:47:43.607-04:00Is it rational to take comments in blogpost's ...<i>Is it rational to take comments in blogpost's comment sections personally and angrily?</i><br /><br />Absolutely. Just not this blog.deadrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02828198094140822987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-90897272594501301482019-10-17T23:46:25.451-04:002019-10-17T23:46:25.451-04:00Irrationality will keep you sane. Man's insani...<i>Irrationality will keep you sane. Man's insanity is heaven's sense.</i><br /><br />How’s that workin’ for ya, Cap’n?<br /><br /><i>But it sounds like you feel atheism is serving you well.</i><br /><br />Atheism is a lack of belief. It can’t “serve” anyone.<br /><br /><i>For me, it's like - who am I going to believe - Sam Harris or the Wu Tang Clan?<br />Easy answer.</i><br /><br />At least both parties exist.deadrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02828198094140822987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-22609559227815056472019-10-17T23:33:20.762-04:002019-10-17T23:33:20.762-04:00Ilya,
Parent to a teenager? You're braver tha...Ilya,<br /><br />Parent to a teenager? You're braver than I could ever be. I hope your familial efforts have more effect than your work with Mao.deadrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02828198094140822987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-29370027438082436582019-10-17T22:30:07.168-04:002019-10-17T22:30:07.168-04:00Fake Indian. Ha ha ha, get it?
She wants to hold ...Fake Indian. Ha ha ha, get it?<br />She wants to hold Mao and Trump's Establishment pals accountable for their felonies. <br /><br />Sure it's stupid and makes zero sense, but it's also the most clever thing ever spoken by a Conservative. No doubt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-52058112346030268792019-10-17T17:28:16.381-04:002019-10-17T17:28:16.381-04:00Is it rational to take comments in blogpost's ...Is it rational to take comments in blogpost's comment sections personally and angrily? <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-17879588010092077132019-10-17T16:42:33.007-04:002019-10-17T16:42:33.007-04:00"I have strong feelings about discrimination&..."I have strong feelings about discrimination"<br /><br />Cool, dembot. In that case, as the fake Indian suggested: don't discriminate. <br /><br />And perhaps we should send a few homo- and trans-sexuals your way, for you to suck their dicks. Just as an opportunity to demonstrate your laudable commitment to non-discrimination. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-41206812061714135742019-10-17T16:20:17.640-04:002019-10-17T16:20:17.640-04:00David -- Being a Jew myself, I have strong feeling...David -- Being a Jew myself, I have strong feelings about discrimination and persecution of....<i>every</i> minority group.<br /><br />So, 200 years ago, in the age of slavery, indentured servitude, extermination of the native population, we were in the golden age of LALL? I assume you mean this ironically, or tongue-in-cheek. <br /><br />You need to learn to differentiate between legitimate intrusion of government into an individual's behavior vs. ideological laws, based on religion or similar personal beliefs. Marriage being confined to one man and one woman is an example of the latter. Ilyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09520998225031485048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-20791122285546395882019-10-17T16:13:02.176-04:002019-10-17T16:13:02.176-04:00Deadrat -- True enough, but sometimes Mao shows so...Deadrat -- True enough, but sometimes Mao shows some glimmers of sentience and then, being a parent to a teenager, I want to gently guide him. However, he always reverts to his trolling self. Ilyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09520998225031485048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-60836255941308099882019-10-17T15:04:01.711-04:002019-10-17T15:04:01.711-04:00Irrationality will keep you sane. Man's insani...Irrationality will keep you sane. Man's insanity is heaven's sense. <br /><br />But it sounds like you feel atheism is serving you well. <br /><br />For me, it's like - who am I going to believe - Sam Harris or the Wu Tang Clan? <br /><br />Easy answer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-87033098475766959822019-10-17T14:48:04.291-04:002019-10-17T14:48:04.291-04:00God didn't make a universe in his head. He ma...God didn't make a universe in his head. He made actual beings and actual matter that are outside of himself. Events happen. Actions take place. A history is generated to living witnesses. Ceceliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15162272807640653299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-68429643139917139072019-10-17T14:18:38.116-04:002019-10-17T14:18:38.116-04:00He will not stop trying to perfect us….
Except th...<i>He will not stop trying to perfect us….</i><br /><br />Except that “traditional Christian doctrine” teaches that God is omniscient, so he already knows which of us will never accept him. So there’s no need for him to longsuffer, now is there?deadrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02828198094140822987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-57508620425623110432019-10-17T14:05:48.697-04:002019-10-17T14:05:48.697-04:00What do you think I’ve quoted from Paradise Lost? ...What do you think I’ve quoted from <i>Paradise Lost</i>? Are you under the impression that “Love the sinner; hate the sin” is Milton’s? Or do you think Milton wrote that God hates fags?<br /><br />But why couldn’t I quote <i>Paradise Lost</i>? I believe that <i>Paradise Lost</i> exists.<br /><br />And, Sparky. Atheism isn’t a belief; it’s a lack of belief, specifically in gods. And one “stands” by that refusal of faith-based claims by examining evidence. I recommend it to you.<br /><br />If rationality will drive you crazy, what will irrationality do?<br /><br />Mysticism, satanism, religion — all names for superstition.deadrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02828198094140822987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-23582331835969824032019-10-17T12:56:40.838-04:002019-10-17T12:56:40.838-04:00How could one quote Paradise Lost and advocate ath...How could one quote Paradise Lost and advocate atheism?<br /><br />How could one stand being an atheist, the most banal of all the beliefs?<br /><br />Try mysticism or satanism. Rationality will drive you crazy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-87020708708888775282019-10-17T12:24:34.389-04:002019-10-17T12:24:34.389-04:00Traditional Christian doctrine teaches that God is...Traditional Christian doctrine teaches that God is longsuffering, NOT “tolerant”. <br /><br />He will not stop trying to perfect us until such a time comes where he judges that we will never accept more of him and that his striving has become sheerly an infringement of our will. <br /> Ceceliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15162272807640653299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-64530236285380988972019-10-17T09:29:53.682-04:002019-10-17T09:29:53.682-04:00From the Right-wing playbook which says Hillary is...From the Right-wing playbook which says Hillary is a phony, who will say anything to get elected, we bring you "Warren not pandering to religious extremists is a big mistake during election season."<br /><br />Listening to the whining of the Right is the biggest mistake any candidate can make.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-11411552227138855232019-10-17T09:24:48.292-04:002019-10-17T09:24:48.292-04:00"But intolerance is not part of any legitimat..."But intolerance is not part of any legitimate Bible teaching or church."<br /><br />in the words of 4:48 PM above: <br />"You're naive. Bye sucker!"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-6760299053664385782019-10-17T09:19:41.486-04:002019-10-17T09:19:41.486-04:00Of course Cecelia is going to support political co...Of course Cecelia is going to support political correctness. She's a Right-winger, and political correctness is a tenet of their faith. I know this, because they accuse the Left of being too politically correct all the time. <br />And<br />Every Right-wing accusation is a confession.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-73770769027834512782019-10-17T09:13:35.621-04:002019-10-17T09:13:35.621-04:00"Men are folks too."
Folks, like treaso..."Men are folks too."<br /><br />Folks, like treason, are in the eye of the beholder.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com