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Anyone who isn't a bigot, was repe...Correction:<br />Anyone who isn't a bigot, was repelled by the Republican Party before George W. Bush ever became a candidate.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-3278232037685110152022-01-07T07:25:49.892-05:002022-01-07T07:25:49.892-05:00You're so full of shit it's coming out of ...You're so full of shit it's coming out of your ears, David.<br /><br />David voted for a sitting president who, it has now been shown, tried to execute a coup for the first time in our nation's history. Every day we're learning more and more of that monster's multi-level plan to steal the election.<br /><br />Any remorse, any self-reflection? Any apology? No, what does David do? He tries to both sides the matter and slander the current president.<br /><br />David is Exhibit A in the case proving why TDH's thesis is so ridiculously manifestly absurd.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-64579173041364136632022-01-07T07:05:55.267-05:002022-01-07T07:05:55.267-05:00Anyone who isn't a bigot, was repelled by the ...Anyone who isn't a bigot, was repelled by the Republican Party before Trump ever became a candidate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-43608786219907190912022-01-06T23:23:58.689-05:002022-01-06T23:23:58.689-05:00Or we could just blame ni""as.Or we could just blame ni""as.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-68916626368670412272022-01-06T20:23:45.053-05:002022-01-06T20:23:45.053-05:00typo: are NOT governed by principles in the same ...typo: are NOT governed by principles in the same way...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-55380811581257024202022-01-06T20:20:55.471-05:002022-01-06T20:20:55.471-05:00It isn't only a matter of trusting authorities...It isn't only a matter of trusting authorities. People also compare what they hear to things they hear elsewhere, evaluate the motives and context of the information they get various places, and use common sense applied to new information. Further, there is a reason why people choose one source and not another. There is a push toward consistency of belief and behavior, and toward coherence of beliefs over time and place, so not just anything will be accepted. Previous lies will be remembered. I think this is more complicated than you want to make it. People aren't robots who believe and do what their chosen sources tell them to. And they aren't children, to trust without evaluation. <br /><br />And you have left out personality entirely. The sources someone chooses are those who provide information consistent with the personalities and needs of the listener. Personal "verification" is far from the only consideration.<br /><br />When I hear someone say something I know to be ignorant about Hillary Clinton, I know not to trust anything on any other subject from that person. That is a kind of personal verification.<br /><br />Your desire to reduce the differences between left and right to nothing more than listening to different sources strikes me as akin to what Somerby is doing when he suggests that the left listen to Fox News because mainstream media was wrong about a state line crossed. There is so much more to why people believe what they do, beyond what you are calling trust.<br /><br />What you are doing is also a kind of both-sides-ism, which equates Trump with Biden and Krugman with Friedman, as if they were both reasonable and valid choices, with only minor differences. That is far from true too. <br /><br />I was repelled by Trump before he ever became a candidate. He has nothing to recommend him as anyone I would consider serious even as a businessman. And that was before politics, back when he was a supposed Democrat and still a flaming narcissist and obvious misogynist (his glory days as Jeffrey Epstein's wingman and Howard Stern's BFF.)<br /><br />Unless you want to be fleeced on alternate days of the week, you must follow your reason and instincts about who to trust, and when you disagree with people, take your own concerns seriously, because anything less is a betrayal of your own integrity. <br /><br />But maybe conservatives are governed by principles in the same was as liberals. It wouldn't surprise me. When people disagree with me, I listen to them to see whether I should reconsider my opinions, and if they talk like ignoramuses, I stop listening. Because, in addition to trust, there is the matter of intelligence and knowledge and expertise to consider.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-72885484918174013532022-01-06T19:17:05.128-05:002022-01-06T19:17:05.128-05:00Did your mother have any kids that lived?Did your mother have any kids that lived?Jim Harmonhttp://jh1955.comcast.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-87758220000938416572022-01-06T19:11:17.745-05:002022-01-06T19:11:17.745-05:00Unfortunately almost everything we citizens know a...Unfortunately almost everything we citizens know about the world and the country is based on trusting somebody. We don't have a way to personally verify news. So, should we trust Bjorn Lomborg or Michael Mann? Paul Krugman or Milton Friedman? Donald Trump or Joe Biden? CNN or FoxNews?<br /><br />Sadly, imo nobody is completely trustworthy. That leaves us guessing and hoping we're right. One corollary imo is that I don't look down on people who disagree with me. They're not ignoramuses. They're just trusting people different from the ones I trust.David in Calhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10222355423128534221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-85593211255403728362022-01-06T16:28:16.307-05:002022-01-06T16:28:16.307-05:00All we have to do is get the right polling data to...All we have to do is get the right polling data to Russia and the election will be ours. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-24506665306011501772022-01-06T15:51:02.174-05:002022-01-06T15:51:02.174-05:00The left feared that a violent clash might give Tr...<em>The left feared that a violent clash might give Trump an excuse to invoke martial law or use troops against the lawmakers doing their job at the Capitol building.</em><br /><br />Exactly. That was part of the dumb orange fascist's plan. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-4023473572258721832022-01-06T15:32:58.339-05:002022-01-06T15:32:58.339-05:00We aren't arguing with any dembots here, dear ...We aren't arguing with any dembots here, dear Corby. Reasoning with dembots is not possible. We merely asked for an explanation for your 1:12 PM. <br /><br />Never mind; carry on. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-34557931348048533912022-01-06T15:15:16.326-05:002022-01-06T15:15:16.326-05:00Corby left the building, Mao. You are arguing with...Corby left the building, Mao. You are arguing with someione else...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-5840258852331498462022-01-06T15:14:38.016-05:002022-01-06T15:14:38.016-05:00https://www.rawstory.com/jan-6-pro-trump-interview...https://www.rawstory.com/jan-6-pro-trump-interview/<br /><br />This guy was interviewed at Mar-a-Lago today claiming that antifa and the FBI organized the insurrection. He is the organizer of a pro-Trump rally outside Mar-a-Lago. He isn't the only one to claim this. It is a common belief on the right among Q-Anon types.<br /><br />There is evidence that the insurrection organizers expected and prepared for anti-Trump protesters to create turmoil, but the left spread the word not to attend and the anti-Trump protest never materialized. No antifa presence has been identified at the Stop-the-Steal rally or the insurrection. The left feared that a violent clash might give Trump an excuse to invoke martial law or use troops against the lawmakers doing their job at the Capitol building. That hasn't stopped the right from trying to blame antifa, and now the FBI, for what happened. Anyone can see the videos and read the descriptions of what happened, in the insurrectionists' own words. You have to deny a whole lot to see this as anything cooked up by the left, but that doesn't stop people trying to put across these Big Lies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-6679144859568288702022-01-06T14:44:13.905-05:002022-01-06T14:44:13.905-05:00We've heard allegations that the event was pro...We've heard allegations that the event was <i>provoked</i> by antifa, dear Corby. As far as we're aware, no one has ever claimed that a significant portion of the participants were antifa. <br /><br />Are you acting willfully ignorant, dear Corby, or is it plain stupidity? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-3833851204911645622022-01-06T14:15:49.611-05:002022-01-06T14:15:49.611-05:00Mao seems to be claiming selective prosecution of ...Mao seems to be claiming selective prosecution of Trump supporters after the 1/6 insurrection! Talk about cons.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-83884767911907887402022-01-06T14:14:01.362-05:002022-01-06T14:14:01.362-05:00If you had been paying attention, you would have h...If you had been paying attention, you would have heard quite a few prominent Republicans (in and out of Congress) trying to blame the 1/6 insurrection on antifa, even while video of folks in MAGA hats were on TV.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-36625121069029198072022-01-06T14:02:10.057-05:002022-01-06T14:02:10.057-05:00The Feds have chosen to prosecute a bunch of Flori...The Feds have chosen to prosecute a bunch of Floridians. What does it have to do with antifa, dear Corby? Without word-salads this time, please. If possible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-29732110580600851612022-01-06T13:51:42.943-05:002022-01-06T13:51:42.943-05:00Mao is obviously pretending that prosecutions and ...Mao is obviously pretending that prosecutions and convictions can happen in the absence of evidence of wrongdoing. Mao, there is video that the insurrectionists took themselves and posted to their social media sites. What does it mean that so many came from Florida? You tell me. Is it a coincidence that Trump moved to Florida? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-88658847939084793242022-01-06T13:48:49.687-05:002022-01-06T13:48:49.687-05:00Playbook: “For those who always despised him, feel...Playbook: “For those who always despised him, feel betrayed by him, or fear his return to power, today is about remembering — never forgetting — his lowest point as president: the day he incited a mob to attack Congress while it affirmed Joe Biden’s clear victory, the final desperate move in a plot to overthrow an American presidential election.”<br /><br />“For those who love him, merely tolerate him, or crave his return to the White House, today is a media stunt: a contrived anniversary of an insignificant event boosted by Democrats and the press to punish Republicans and cynically advance Biden’s legislative priorities.”<br /><br />“Americans often have a shared understanding about big traumatic national events. That is not the case with Jan. 6, which is why the cliché about our politics feeling like a civil war has more and more resonance.”<br /><br />How do you think Somerby feels about today's activities? He seems to believe there is a widening gap that needs to be addressed, but he thinks the way to do that is for the liberals to "listen" to Trump supporters. He clearly doesn't believe that today's speech and commemoration are important, so he appears to fall into the group regarding it as a stunt by the left to manipulate the right into supporting Biden's initiatives. He has supported Manchin's intransigence here, although not Sinema (except when her clothing was being discussed). <br /><br />I have never heard Somerby urge Republicans to repudiate the violence of 1/6, to join forces with Democrats to enact laws that will protect the validity of our elections and the rights of voters to cast their votes. I have never heard him dispute the Big Lie about the 2020 election, no matter how many times he suggests that Trump is perhaps mentally ill for his narcissism and psychopathy. I have only heard him justify the complaints of Southern right-wingers about CRT and a parent's right to choose how schools teach their kids. I've heard him object to the 1619 project and historical views about slavery. But never heard him object to the way the right views 1/6 and the insurrection. <br /><br />When folks like Somerby, who pretend to be liberal, instead model the craven behavior of Republicans, how can any of us prevent our slide into authoritarian regimes that will repeal every civil rights advance made since the 1960s? The people arguing as Somerby does while calling themselves liberal curmudgeons (and similar lies) are not helping this situation in any way -- they are selling our country down the river, and us with it.<br /><br />Some liberals believe that they will be able to flee to more liberal countries as immigrants, should the worst happen here. Covid has complicated such plans. Many other countries have tightened their residency requirements and are no longer allowing Americans free access (beyong the 6 months allowed on a tourist visa). We need to see the seriousness of current events, especially today, and work to defend our democracy. And Somerby is not our friend in that fight.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-62213887694158695622022-01-06T13:48:31.792-05:002022-01-06T13:48:31.792-05:00Republicans planned the 1/6 insurrection in plain ...Republicans planned the 1/6 insurrection in plain sight too. We should take a lesson from that.Not a rodenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02216459357112547141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-33027813989689392902022-01-06T13:40:04.339-05:002022-01-06T13:40:04.339-05:00Oh, dear. You can call them whatever you like to c...Oh, dear. You can call them whatever you like to call them, dear Corby.<br /><br />We're just trying to understand the logic of your 1:12 PM, dear. The Feds choose to prosecute a bunch of Floridians of the Jan 6 incident, and therefore - what?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-10851833484607114842022-01-06T13:37:08.230-05:002022-01-06T13:37:08.230-05:00"Dan Pfeiffer: “The fact Republicans are movi..."Dan Pfeiffer: “The fact Republicans are moving ahead with a plan to steal the election in 2024 without fear of consequence is frightening and depressing. The political winds heading into the midterms are at their backs. Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema remain more interested in protecting their centrist credentials than American democracy. Too much of the political media has normalized election theft as a legitimate political strategy in a fruitless attempt to avoid accusations of bias.”<br /><br />“The time, place, and plan for perhaps the greatest crime in American history have been identified. We have three years to stop it. Yet, our political leaders are either unwilling or unable to intervene.”Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-54864186020005771052022-01-06T13:34:13.396-05:002022-01-06T13:34:13.396-05:00“The threat continues. And it’s very important, if...“The threat continues. And it’s very important, if you look at what’s happening today in my party, the Republican party, rather than reject what happened on 6th, reject the lies about the election and make clear that a president who engaged in those activities can never be president again, unfortunately too many in my own party are embracing that former president, are looking the other way, are minimizing the danger. That’s how democracies die, and we simply cannot let that happen.”<br /><br />— Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY), in an interview with NBC News."<br /><br />If all Republicans had the courage to tell the truth, the way Liz Cheney has, we wouldn't be in this predicament today. Democrats need Republicans to help fix this problem of their own creation. Soon!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-78531059841431006762022-01-06T13:31:39.625-05:002022-01-06T13:31:39.625-05:00Calling the legitimately elected President of the ...Calling the legitimately elected President of the US a rapist over accusations that were thoroughly investigated and found to be untrue should reveal you for the scum that you clearly are. Crawl back under your rock and leave the decent people here alone.Not a rodenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02216459357112547141noreply@blogger.com