tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post2622216580527669137..comments2024-03-29T02:22:59.827-04:00Comments on the daily howler: END-OF-YEAR MANIFESTATIONS: "Goddamn Karen" slaps old coot!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-75307981089456293152021-12-31T11:27:09.082-05:002021-12-31T11:27:09.082-05:00Oh, you you forgot that Cornwall was chiding the m...Oh, you you forgot that Cornwall was chiding the man over not wearing a mask while all the while wearing her mask under her nose. That’s a liberal to the bone, Anonymouse 10:26am. <br /><br />My only reaction to the elderly gentleman would have been to say, “ Right, and you ain’t Big Daddy.” <br /><br />Ceceliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15162272807640653299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-56758079392362104522021-12-31T04:57:28.834-05:002021-12-31T04:57:28.834-05:00People are getting into fights cause of the virus....People are getting into fights cause of the virus. It's bad on service workersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-17675410487383279402021-12-31T04:04:31.029-05:002021-12-31T04:04:31.029-05:00“ Black women cannot be Karens because our society...“ Black women cannot be Karens because our society has not permitted them to have the same sense of overblown entitlement and they might be jailed if they attempt it (except for Oprah).”<br /><br />Oh, good grief! <br /><br />How is it that you’ve gone your entire life without ever encountering a black woman?Ceceliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15162272807640653299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-72961862202136725092021-12-30T13:10:23.454-05:002021-12-30T13:10:23.454-05:00Speaking of narrative and storyline:
https://nomo...Speaking of narrative and storyline:<br /><br />https://nomoremister.blogspot.com/2021/12/conservatisms-master-narrative.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-75254293381925992062021-12-30T11:58:09.858-05:002021-12-30T11:58:09.858-05:005:28,
Maybe they'll compare her to the Right-w...5:28,<br />Maybe they'll compare her to the Right-wing's greatest intellectual, Sarah Palin, next.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-48393262615410254952021-12-30T11:43:27.558-05:002021-12-30T11:43:27.558-05:00"We'll admit that we've decided to tr..."We'll admit that we've decided to treat this week as the Irish allegedly do—as a full-blown Christmas week."<br /><br />Many companies take the whole week off between Christmas and New Year's but that isn't particularly Irish. The Irish engage in charity and community activities on Christmas Day and celebrate Boxing Day (St. Stephen's Day), as do the English, but didn't originate the practice of taking a whole week off. Kwanzaa, and very occasionally Hanukkah, falls during this period but mostly businesses close because people aren't very productive during that week.<br /><br />Notice that the Irish are not mentioned at all in this article about the week between Christmas and New Year's<br /><br />https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2021/12/christmas-new-years-dead-week-romjul/621098/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-32673961703121670242021-12-30T11:30:41.847-05:002021-12-30T11:30:41.847-05:00""Bitch" just wouldn't sit down...""Bitch" just wouldn't sit down:"<br /><br />This initial phrase of Somerby's essay implies that he sees this situation as a power struggle between a woman and a man, and not as an unruly passenger who was refusing to cooperate with a flight attendant to the point where she irritated other passengers who also tried to get her to cooperate. A struggle between a recalcitrant individual and the community is very different than a gendered power struggle between a man and a woman, as Somerby tries to frame things.<br /><br />So, the question is, which is it? The woman and the man have no relationship whatsoever. Further the woman initiates the conflict by making several offensive remarks (pussy, Rosa Parks), and by not complying with an authority (actually a worker just trying to do her job). How does this then have anything to do with gender roles? The person asking her to sit down was also female. The man was called a name when he tried to support the attendant and the remaining passengers waiting for beverage service. I just don't see this Somerby's way, as a gender-related power struggled. <br /><br />So, the question then is why Somerby sees it this way. He could be someone who frames all male-female encounters in terms of a power struggle, because of his history with his mother. Or he could be doing this for political reasons, to turn liberal support for gender equity against liberals who tend to support the man and not the woman (calling her a Karen). Or he could be criticizing the press who saw this woman as wrong (as did the authorities who charged her at the end of the flight). Somerby doesn't clairfy his own intentions. It is clear that Somerby's interpretation is the right-wing one, not the liberal one. Based on comments above, our own conservative commenters consider Cornwall a babe and the guy a jerk and want to dismiss the whole incident as two jerks exchanging words, even though she punched him in the face and spit on him (both assaults). They seem to think that jerks are entitled to assault people, especially if they are good-looking and the incident can be construed as humorous. I'm sure the other passengers didn't consider it funny at all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-41192226828095341672021-12-30T10:26:07.135-05:002021-12-30T10:26:07.135-05:00Yes, and when people want to claim that they are R...Yes, and when people want to claim that they are Rosa Parks, thus belittling a civil rights hero, we should just shine that on too, because it doesn't matter what bigots say about either. This guy was initially polite but pointed out that she was not a black lady on a bus in Alabama protesting segregation. <br /><br />I personally don't believe that someone is being a jerk when they defend the importance of civil rights from entitled white women who disparage people like Rosa Parks. <br /><br />I would guess that this woman is a great deal like our own Cecelia, who thinks that her sarcastic jokes about libs are funny and expects people here to applaud them, forgetting that Somerby may be conservative but many of the commenters here are actual liberals. This woman may have forgotten that not everyone on that plane agrees with her knee-jerk Republican quips and many will find them offensive.<br /><br />But you seem to want to label the people who call out jerks as jerks too. I don't think that's correct or fair to someone who was standing up to right=wing casual racism. (As if what Rosa Parks did is equivalent to having to sit down while the beverage cart goes by.)<br /><br />All behavior comes from beliefs, attitudes and assumptions and these are revealed in that behavior. That is why it is possible to analyze this situation. Is it worthwhile to analyze a white sense of entitlement and flippant attitudes toward racism? Somerby says no. Liberals tend to say yes. You seem to be saying "what's the big deal" thereby showing a lack of understanding about why racism still exists as a problem in our society. But you are correct that there are lots of jerks around, maybe more than two.<br /><br />This woman was arrested and can be sentenced to prison for assault and up to $25,000 for interference with airline attendants during their work. That makes the context far from trivial. You might ask yourself why your reaction is to brush it off.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-55962048330026530852021-12-30T10:14:11.643-05:002021-12-30T10:14:11.643-05:00He did it because she made an offensive racist ref...He did it because she made an offensive racist reference to herself as Rosa Parks. He first objected to that. Then she insulted him by calling him a pussy. He himself was perhaps one of the people waiting to be served. People get stressed on planes.<br /><br />Somerby makes an idiotic comment about this being a "wine-soaked" event, but the beverage cart was only then moving down the aistle on a one-hour flight (which means the attendants had limited time to serve everyone and no time to deal with foolishness). How could anyone get drunk without receiving any beverages yet, much less receiving seconds on wine?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-23797994192647690062021-12-30T09:26:18.205-05:002021-12-30T09:26:18.205-05:00good points, Greggood points, GregAC/MAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15472077052251486957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-8632293003607547062021-12-30T08:10:23.280-05:002021-12-30T08:10:23.280-05:00I personally think everyone is WAAAYYYY overanalyz...I personally think everyone is WAAAYYYY overanalyzing this. Is it possible that we simply have a situation where two jerks acted poorly/made poor decisions. The female passenger by not just letting the cart pass (it's like Bruce Lee always said, be the water, take the seat and get on with your day) and the male passenger for throwing fuel on the fire by getting involved (did he really think he would help the situation by name-calling...especially someone that seems like a total idiot in the first place, no, that could only incite). Whatever the underlying motivations will probably never be known, and really don't matter all that much, they were both jerks and made an inconvenience situation (waiting for the bar cart to pass) into an internet sensation and the latest controversy for everyone to overanalyze. I would venture to guess that both are a ton of fun to talk to at parties.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-5359994427188985412021-12-30T07:59:33.424-05:002021-12-30T07:59:33.424-05:00I don't know too much about what happen in thi...I don't know too much about what happen in this instance (and honestly the female passenger does seem like a loud-mouth, just take the seat and wait for the cart to pass) but you have to ask why did this second, male passenger feel the need to get involved? Let the flight attendant handle it. All the second passenger did was throw fuel on the fire and make a marginally bad situation worse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-74567468601038592772021-12-29T21:34:04.140-05:002021-12-29T21:34:04.140-05:00I heard he signed some kind of sponsorship deal wi...I heard he signed some kind of sponsorship deal with Prell.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-18670232044777903992021-12-29T21:19:23.081-05:002021-12-29T21:19:23.081-05:00Greg,
Yes, Michael Brown didn't comply with th...Greg,<br />Yes, Michael Brown didn't comply with the cop who was shaking him down.<br />I bet if he hadn't been murdered by a blood-thirsty cop, that controversial minx wouldn't even wear a mask in public, just to show he wasn't a sheep.<br />Say what you will, but Michael Brown had that all-American individualistic spirit. Such a shame he got sniffed out by a thug.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-43068693111763898782021-12-29T19:01:20.283-05:002021-12-29T19:01:20.283-05:00But talking about that stuff might come dangerousl...But talking about that stuff might come dangerously close to being media criticism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-52945108047407237562021-12-29T19:00:39.790-05:002021-12-29T19:00:39.790-05:00A serious story might discuss the increase of assa...A serious story might discuss the increase of assaults on planes with covid and its connection to stress, the wisdom of serving alcohol on planes, the complaints by airline crews about the lack of protection from passenger misbehavior and its impact on their own burnout rates, and the plea for the FAA to protect crews and take this problem seriously. These assaults are not jokes, just as Karens in real life have the potential to get innocent black people shot for doing nothing wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-74874432408814497162021-12-29T18:56:36.450-05:002021-12-29T18:56:36.450-05:00David is trolling today. By commenting on Cornwall...David is trolling today. By commenting on Cornwall's appearance he hopes that liberal commenters will complain that he is discussing her in gendered terms, since no one has mentioned R.S.M's attractiveness (except Somerby who called him an old white coot). <br /><br />It would make more sense to comment on her size, since she was unable to sit down anywhere and was blocking the beverage cart. No matter how gorgeous her body, her personality seems pretty ugly. I'm thankful I don't have any friends who would pull this shit on a plane.<br /><br />Or maybe David does just think about women in terms of their appearance, like Cecelia and her friends here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-61032339935722323552021-12-29T18:51:05.563-05:002021-12-29T18:51:05.563-05:00The official complaint makes it clear that she cal...The official complaint makes it clear that she called him a pussy first. Does that change anything for you guys who think women shouldn't be called names such as "bitch"? Pussy is a gendered term if bitch is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-57845744171323542552021-12-29T18:43:03.567-05:002021-12-29T18:43:03.567-05:00Yep. Bob puts his hand on the scale again. As on m...Yep. Bob puts his hand on the scale again. As on matters with race, he insists we only call racism in the most flagrant cases. When the arise, he laughs them off. Being drunk was once considered a weak excuse for bad behavior. Now Bob tries to use it where it’s not in evidence. Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288008924419574934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-4240450435468095472021-12-29T18:40:03.985-05:002021-12-29T18:40:03.985-05:00The Link is to the Bitch Manifesto, an early essay...The Link is to the Bitch Manifesto, an early essay in second wave feminism, copyrighted in 1970.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-89529410232830164572021-12-29T18:36:20.180-05:002021-12-29T18:36:20.180-05:00@2:19
Men call women bitches and cunts all the ti...@2:19<br /><br />Men call women bitches and cunts all the time, especially when together with other men (or without women present). This daintiness seems performative to me. <br /><br />You might read this to see how feminist women feel about being called a bitch:<br /><br />https://www.jofreeman.com/joreen/bitch.htm<br /><br />mh didn't write the comment at 12:12, I did. <br /><br />Many women feel that courtliness and protectiveness by men is part of the set of restrictions that prevented women from fully participating in work and politics and other venues outside the home. Such gallantry is intended to restrict women, not help them. The word itself is not inherently bad (female dog?), but the use of it often displays male anger, often because they feel that women have overstepped their place in society. THAT is what women object to, not the word.<br /><br />In this case, Cornwall was clearly abusing any civility the flight attendant extended. She did this by interfering with their performance of their job and consequently denied other passengers their drinks. The male passenger's anger was justified, in my opinion, and had nothing whatsoever to do with any gender issue. A man doing the same thing would have provoked the same anger, rightly in my opinion.<br /><br />Being called a bitch is no different than being called a son of a bitch. Throwing a hissy fit because feminine womanhood has been disrespected is not just a legacy of Victorian times, but it is part of the white supremacist creed, which fights for the purity of white women and their return to family duties and childrearing. Republicans come dangerously close to that same view of womanhood, which I consider to be pernicious and much more of an insult to women than a word like bitch.Not a rodenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02216459357112547141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-52390261664467460842021-12-29T18:34:54.533-05:002021-12-29T18:34:54.533-05:00Should be “substitutes.”Should be “substitutes.”Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288008924419574934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-64216868761274580032021-12-29T18:33:26.447-05:002021-12-29T18:33:26.447-05:00“Passing matters” is mostly what Bob writes about ...“Passing matters” is mostly what Bob writes about these days, and once you give one side a “pass” on electing a psycho gangster as leader of the free world and refuse to examine said in any serious way, it’s all one big passing matter, right? <br /> I tend to agree with most of what Bob says here. The Rosa Parks line strikes me as another example of our jokey society encouraging unfunny jokers. <br /> If Bob was still serious about what he was doing, he might consider how the media looks for gotcha clips substantiate for stories that give us insight into the actual nature of things. The old Bob might have noted this. Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288008924419574934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-10506572811544688382021-12-29T18:25:06.155-05:002021-12-29T18:25:06.155-05:00Micheal Brown did not comply with the rules? You m...Micheal Brown did not comply with the rules? You mean when he brazenly shoplifted, then rushed a cop and tried to take his gun away? Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288008924419574934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-7913115573945720452021-12-29T18:17:51.052-05:002021-12-29T18:17:51.052-05:00Our Somerby isn't very accurate in presenting ...Our Somerby isn't very accurate in presenting the facts of this situation. Following is a quote from the official complaint against Cornwall:<br /><br />"R.S.M. advised CORNWALL then turned her attention towards R.S.M. R.S.M. stated he told<br />CORNWALL to “sit down Karen” to which CORNWALL responded, “sit down pussy”. Additional<br />derogatory comments were made by both parties involved. CORNWALL then struck R.S.M. with<br />a closed fist, striking R.S.M. about the head, causing visible injury. CORNWALL then spit in<br />R.S.M.’s face and head area."<br /><br />Somerby's headline says she slapped the man (R.S.M.) but this complaint (supported by video and the flight attendant) says that Cornwall hit him with a closed fist in the face. That is punching, not slapping. It also says she spit on him, an assault in these days of covid (was she not wearing a mask herself that she could spit like that?). And here is another part Somerby left out. She called him a pussy. That makes it harder for Somerby to suggest that his name calling (bitch) was gender-based when she called him a pussy first, again initiating the conflict.<br /><br />Not surprising that Somerby would omit facts that are inconsistent with his own storyline. He does that so frequently that it is wise to look at his sources before believing anything he says.<br /><br />Ms. Cornwall was taken by on-board security and restrained until the end of the flight. That suggests that she was perceived as the troublemaker in this situation, not the man she assaulted. Somerby didn't mention that either, pretending that this was a he said-she said type of situation in which both parties were wrong. Not so, according to the complaint describing the incident. But it is hard to portray someone as a victim after mentioning that they had to be restrained after committing physical assault on another passenger.Not a rodenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02216459357112547141noreply@blogger.com