tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post2675909254119739604..comments2024-03-28T04:12:17.506-04:00Comments on the daily howler: IN SEARCH OF CERTAIN SKILLS: Does high-level cogency actually matter?<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-22456582133165397232021-08-12T14:43:21.552-04:002021-08-12T14:43:21.552-04:00My point is the people won't vote for someone ...My point is the people won't vote for someone who will do something about income disparity.<br />If the citizens wanted it, you know some craven politician would offer it.<br />Do you realize that too?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-6875019362872710912021-08-12T12:41:12.370-04:002021-08-12T12:41:12.370-04:00Yes - that's always been my point. Both sides....Yes - that's always been my point. Both sides. <br /><br />Thanks for finally realizing. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-60188437098585504882021-08-12T11:19:57.431-04:002021-08-12T11:19:57.431-04:00Sorry, 11:49. You'll just have to vote for Dem...Sorry, 11:49. You'll just have to vote for Democrats because they, at least, make life easier on the citizens than the GOP does <br />BTW, we probably don't have a political party that cares about income disparity, because it's not a political winner. They aren't going to care about income disparity just because me and you care about it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-45029242511281583172021-08-11T20:21:43.218-04:002021-08-11T20:21:43.218-04:00The question is not whether he defend Moore or not...The question is not whether he defend Moore or not - the question is if he defended him accurately or inaccurately. You can't provide proof he defended him inaccurately so your whole line of reasoning is lost in the wind. Gone. Proof of your ignorance is cemented and on display for the rest of time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-87968264563144518762021-08-11T17:23:25.937-04:002021-08-11T17:23:25.937-04:00Anon 9:31, thanks for the detailed description of ...Anon 9:31, thanks for the detailed description of Moore's repellent actions. Of course, the likes of Anon 11:09 will ignore that. Centristnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-19288653196890809052021-08-11T17:20:49.414-04:002021-08-11T17:20:49.414-04:00'He didn't say abuses of young girls do no...'He didn't say abuses of young girls do not matter because Trump might end the world though. You can't read. No wonder you say such idiotic things.'<br /><br /><br />I'm not anon 9:31, but unlike you, he's not such a 'Moore-on' as to post an incoherent message from Somerby and then tout it as some sort of proof. That is EXACTLY what Somerby seemed to claim, by saying the press should not cover Moore's past actions.<br /><br />Somerby most definitely defended Moore. As did other Trumptards. It seems like you're the one incapable of reading (but then defending Moore requires that, along with remarkable moral malleability). Centristnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-7686259475823058632021-08-11T17:19:33.520-04:002021-08-11T17:19:33.520-04:00'He didn't say abuses of young girls do no...'He didn't say abuses of young girls do not matter because Trump might end the world though. You can't read. No wonder you say such idiotic things.'<br /><br /><br />I'm not anon 9:31, but unlike you, he's not such a 'Moore-on' as to post an incoherent message from Somerby and then tout it as some sort of proof. That is EXACTLY what Somerby seemed to claim, by saying the press should not cover Moore's past actions. <br /><br />Somerby most definitely defended Moore. As did other Trumptards.Centristnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-81609629505856886732021-08-11T17:14:21.767-04:002021-08-11T17:14:21.767-04:00'He didn't ignore illegalities or support ...'He didn't ignore illegalities or support Trump'<br /><br />He most definitely defended Trump time and again. And he defended Moore. You asked when he defended Moore, I pointed it out and you completely ignored it. A true 'Moore-on'. Centristnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-72072223113914297262021-08-11T11:49:41.584-04:002021-08-11T11:49:41.584-04:00Income disparity and class issues are not only not...Income disparity and class issues are not only not a priority for corporate libs, they don't even mention it all except passing mentions in campaigns that are never followed up . It's not an issue they care about at all. It's all about race. Which is exactly as the plutocrats planned it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-27134633614966760952021-08-11T11:22:36.794-04:002021-08-11T11:22:36.794-04:00You'd think Republicans would support eating t...You'd think Republicans would support eating the rich to "own the libs". Instead they cheered along as Trump have the rich a HUGE tax break.<br />Right-wing priorities.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-9026274323862510842021-08-11T11:14:52.318-04:002021-08-11T11:14:52.318-04:00Income inequality isn't addressed or even ment...Income inequality isn't addressed or even mentioned at all in the blizzard of race and gender complaints of the new corporate fascist liberals. It doesn't exist. Such complaints would include "the Other" and the issue is complicated so it is disappeared. Which is exactly as the plutocrats planned it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-73494606880194379662021-08-11T09:40:36.360-04:002021-08-11T09:40:36.360-04:00Class doesn't cut across the categories of gen...Class doesn't cut across the categories of gender and race. It is correlated with them.<br /><br />Women tend to earn less than men.<br />Black people tend to earn less than white people.<br /><br />But if you address only income inequality, you do not solve the problems of discrimination on the basis of race or gender. Those will remain, so all three must be addressed: race, gender, economic class.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-38175141204781261042021-08-11T09:37:11.676-04:002021-08-11T09:37:11.676-04:00Getting together a white mob to extrajudicially ki...Getting together a white mob to extrajudicially kill a black person constitutes a lynching, whether you use a rope or not.<br /><br />"(of a mob) kill (someone), especially by hanging, for an alleged offense with or without a legal trial"<br /><br />The phrase "especially by hanging" implies that other methods can also be used.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-44135450632153884462021-08-11T09:31:22.752-04:002021-08-11T09:31:22.752-04:00Conservatives love to blame Dems for Trump.
Conser...Conservatives love to blame Dems for Trump.<br />Conservatives call liberals "self-impressed". They started this business of referring to political parties as tribes. Referring to support for Dems as a "stampede" is ridiculous and partisan (in favor of conservatives).<br /><br />You left out the part where Somerby said it was OK to date barely legal or illegal young women if the mamas approved. <br /><br />Men who "date" (or stalk) very young women and girls (those accusing Moore included several 14 year olds) dislike being called pedophiles, but that is what they are in common usage of that term. In fact, even the psychiatric use of the term pedophile includes 14 year olds. <br /><br />What did Moore do? He got himself asked to leave a mall by security because he was following around and harassing several 14-16 year olds. He went to a 16 year old's school and asked the administration to call her out of class because he wanted to ask her out. He rolled around on a picnic blanket in underwear with a 14 year old. He allegedly forced himself on a 14 year old when he offered to give her a ride home in his car after meeting her at a diner. His signature appears in the yearbook of a 16 year old (traditionally only classmates sign yearbooks). He himself says that he first noticed his future wife when she was in high school. His colleagues in the DA's office noticed his behavior and thought his interest in young girls was creepy.<br /><br />But Somerby says it is too much for Democrats to call this man a pedophile. The term refers to a man's sexual interests and fantasies not solely his behavior. Moore clearly had such interests, based on his reported behavior. Somerby was wrong to defend him against media reporting and wrong to try to excuse Moore's alleged actions as part of Southern tradition.<br /><br />It is outrageous for Somerby to say that abuses of young girls do not matter because Trump might end the world. And what does "working in our anthropological garden" even mean? Nothing. Trump did not become President because of how Roy Moore's perversions were covered by the Post. And saying so is part of why Somerby is a Trumptard, working hard to elect Trump and support his administration.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-42678224788264953262021-08-11T09:01:43.473-04:002021-08-11T09:01:43.473-04:00He didn't ignore illegalities or support Trump...He didn't ignore illegalities or support Trump. It is you who is the tard.<br /><br />"Because it's all anthropology now, the way we liberals stampeded in the wake of these supporting stories may tell us more about ourselves than it does about Roy Moore. With Donald J. Trump careering more and more toward his upcoming nuclear war, none of this really matters any more. But if we might borrow what Luther once said:<br /><br />If we knew Donald Trump would be ending the world today, we would continue to work in our anthropological garden.<br /><br />We think the Post showed some shaky journalistic judgment in the way it presented that first report. This helps explain why Donald J. Trump is now in a position from which he may soon end the world.<br /><br />As for our own self-impressed liberal tribe, we started our self-impressed "resistance" after Trump was elected and sworn. According to many anthropologists, we slept soundly for several decades before we started stampeding." Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-48605314871028826092021-08-11T09:01:27.158-04:002021-08-11T09:01:27.158-04:00' Somerby doesn't function at a high level...' Somerby doesn't function at a high level'<br /><br />You could have stopped at 'function' :)Centristnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-39393814839878897432021-08-11T07:40:43.049-04:002021-08-11T07:40:43.049-04:00Somerby didn't point out 'gross exaggerati...Somerby didn't point out 'gross exaggerations' when defending Moore. He spent a dozen odd posts before Nov 2017 suggesting that Moore's behavior was normal (it wasn't, he was likely banned from Gadsen mall) and ignoring illegalities. There were also accusations from women who were as young as 14 then of sexual assault. Perhaps 'accused pedophile' would be better. <br /><br />Furthermore, dating barely of age girls by a supposedly upright god fearing, 10 commandments supporter is certainly a news story by itself. <br /><br />Somerby's point was to defend Moore because he is a would be useful idiot (but as in this case really a useless idiot) for TrumpCentristnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-26387551873238523892021-08-10T23:13:09.762-04:002021-08-10T23:13:09.762-04:00When has Bob ever defended these people? All he do...When has Bob ever defended these people? All he does is point out gross exaggerations when they happen.<br /><br />Like calling Roy Moore a "pedophile." Or as Laurence O'Donnell called him, a "serial pedophile."<br /><br />He's not. But I know it thrills the tribe to think so. That's Bob's obvious point.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-52485748171281244902021-08-10T22:40:32.194-04:002021-08-10T22:40:32.194-04:00Sorry 5:24. These new fascist liberals never ever,...Sorry 5:24. These new fascist liberals never ever, ever discuss income inequality or class issues. It's too complicated and hard for them to come to terms with. This is because class issues interfere with their cherished tribal religion of race and gender - which keep things nice and black and white, nice and tribal. Easy. Class issues cut across that which is hard so they avoid the issue completely. They prefer to stay safe and warm in their womb of tribal comfort and ignorance. <br /><br />Let's please not discuss class or income inequality ever again so we can continue to hate the others, who are all racists, in peace. Forever. Amen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-26224866122632260892021-08-10T18:33:15.457-04:002021-08-10T18:33:15.457-04:00'We are passing a bipartisan infrastructure bi...'We are passing a bipartisan infrastructure bill today. That should give Somerby hope, not result in this type of doom and gloom diatribe,'<br /><br />Somerby is a Trumptard, so he is disappointed at the passing of the infrastructure bill since his hero Donald Trump couldn't get one passed in 4 yearsCentristnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-91502661501902192002021-08-10T18:29:56.047-04:002021-08-10T18:29:56.047-04:00"Does high-level cogency actually matter?&quo..."Does high-level cogency actually matter?"<br /><br />Of course it does. But Somerby doesn't function at a high level and he has no idea whether cogency exists there or not (for others).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-52447897289440911852021-08-10T18:15:24.718-04:002021-08-10T18:15:24.718-04:00Somerby seems to think that pointing out racial in...Somerby seems to think that pointing out racial inequities and disparities is race-baiting. But how are such civil rights issues to be addressed without someone calling attention to them? And these are legitimate news reports. Like this one:<br /><br />"Sentencing disparity prompts calls for reform after Black woman sentenced for embezzling $40,000 while a white woman got probation after stealing $250,000...<br /><br />... in this specific story, two women—one Black, one white—were convicted of the exact same crime. However, the two cases are not the same. One is worse than the other...<br /><br />...The white woman committed more crimes, over a longer period of time. She stole more money than the Black woman. She had 21 more charges and cost taxpayers six times more money [because she pled not guilty and was tried and convicted]. She was facing 60 years in prison while the Black woman’s maximum sentence was three years. Yet the Black woman received more prison time than prosecutors wanted her to spend in jail."<br /><br />The Root article concludes: <br /><br />"Nationwide, Black people convicted of crimes received 20 percent longer sentences than similarly situated whites who commit the same offenses, according to the U.S. Sentencing Commission. In Ohio, the state’s Black residents are imprisoned at 6 times the rate of Ohio’s white residents, according to the Sentencing Project. In 1999, a report from the Commission on Racial Fairness found that Black Ohioans are sentenced to prison at grossly disproportionate rates compared to their white counterparts. The study, requested by the Chief Justice of the Ohio Supreme Court, determined that “the consensus of the available research acknowledges that minorities are more frequently sentenced to prison and generally receive harsher penalties than do whites.”<br /><br />These statistics make this article a news report, not race-baiting. The facts of these two women's cases make this evidence of inequity, not race-baiting. <br /><br />Somerby's lack of concern for civil rights makes him a conservative, not a liberal. He himself affirms that when he claims that mention of racial injustice is tribalism. He is not in the right tribe and he is on the wrong side of history on this issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-33038676789951752512021-08-10T17:51:47.612-04:002021-08-10T17:51:47.612-04:00"In each case she investigated, law enforceme..."In each case she investigated, law enforcement officials ruled the deaths suicides, but the families said the victims had been lynched."<br /><br />This is a pattern, not a single instance. <br /><br />"A year later, Roy Veal, was found hanging from a pecan tree near Woodville, Miss. Relatives said Veal was found with a hood over his head. A state police spokesman told reporters Veal’s death was “consistent with suicide.” Relatives said they believed Veal, who had returned to Mississippi to fight for his family’s land, was lynched. "<br /><br />Why would someone hang himself with a hood over his own head? Why was the motive ignored? It makes no sense to consider this a suicide.<br /><br />"Frederick Jermaine Carter was found hanging from a tree limb in a White neighborhood in Greenwood, Miss...The day before Carter was found dead, he had been working with his stepfather on a painting project. Relatives said he disappeared after his stepfather went to buy more paint."<br /><br />Why would this man hang himself in a white neighborhood? Are there no trees near his own home? Does that sound like an opportune moment to go commit suicide, in the middle of a home improvement project?<br /><br />"Phillip Carroll was found hanging from a tree in Jackson, Miss. Police called the death a suicide. Early reports said Carroll had been found with his hands tied behind his back. Police denied that account."<br /><br />Repeatedly, police and other investigators are saying they could find no evidence to prove that a homicide had occurred. That is not the same as saying that this was confirmed as suicide or that these men were not lynched. It means the police had too little evidence to prosecute anyone. This has been the case in outright murders, such as the killing of three freedom riders (Cheney, Goodman & Schwerner).<br /><br />Labeling a death suicide should require as much affirmative evidence as labeling it homicide, especially given that "suicide" tends to defame the deceased and his family and friends.<br /><br />The circumstances of all of these deaths seem suspicious to me. Somerby's willingness to believe that these are suicides, even when it makes no sense, tells me all I need to know about Somerby's own prejudices.<br /><br />The manner is which these deaths are investigated leaves a lot to be desired in terms of professionalism. The similarity in laxness is suspicious itself, suggesting a lack of interest in knowing what actually happened, despite insistence by each family that this was a lynching. <br /><br />Talk about tribal thinking and herd mentality on the part of police! They cannot conceive that there might be wrongdoing involved, even when a victim is wearing a hood or has his hands tied behind his back. Who hangs himself that way?<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-48007661215920155162021-08-10T17:33:39.949-04:002021-08-10T17:33:39.949-04:00Came across this while researching these incidents...Came across this while researching these incidents:<br /><br />JUSTICE DEPARTMENT SETTLES RACE DISCRIMINATION LAWSUIT AGAINST CRACKER BARREL RESTAURANT CHAIN<br />https://www.justice.gov/archive/opa/pr/2004/May/04_crt_288.htm<br /><br />Again, this isn’t tribal narrative. It is reality. mhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08937133532381705347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-843051262199340192021-08-10T17:24:46.680-04:002021-08-10T17:24:46.680-04:00In countries that pay everyone a minimum income, t...In countries that pay everyone a minimum income, there is dramatically less crime and homelessness because no one is in poverty. Our crime rates and poverty rates both decreased with the covid relief payments and unemployment supplements last year.<br /><br />Murders are up 25% but still are about half the rate at the end of the 20th century. They are concentrated in disadvantaged inner cities that have traditionally struggled with drug-related gang violence. The current rise is attributed to greater availability of guns.<br /><br />"Homicide rates were higher during every month of 2020 – even before pandemic-related shutdowns started in March, the analysis found. But there was also a “structural break” in the data in June, indicating “a large, statistically significant increase” in the homicide rate, around the same time as the mass protests that followed the murder of George Floyd.<br /><br />So far, there’s a lot of political rhetoric, and relatively little data or hard evidence, about how substantially different factors may have contributed to the 2020 increase.<br /><br />Alongside a global pandemic, and a major protest movement against police violence and systemic racism, the US saw a historic rise in gun sales during 2020.<br /><br />A preprint study from researchers at the University of California, Davis, which has not yet been peer-reviewed, suggested that a spike in gun purchases during the early months of the pandemic was associated with a nearly 8% increase in gun violence from March through May, or 776 additional fatal and nonfatal shooting injuries nationwide. The researchers found that states that had lower levels of violent crime pre-Covid saw a stronger connection between additional gun purchases and more gun violence."<br /><br />https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/30/us-crime-rate-homcides-explainedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com