tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post317072878071021578..comments2024-03-28T17:51:45.959-04:00Comments on the daily howler: Supplemental: Barbaro transforms himself at the Times!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-78532423761608945062015-06-18T14:49:15.195-04:002015-06-18T14:49:15.195-04:0012:04 PM,
For all things Al Gore, Wikipedia is un...12:04 PM,<br /><br />For all things Al Gore, <i>Wikipedia</i> is unreliable- too soon. Search <i>The Daily Howler,</i> instead. Just be sure, like Somerby and his analysts, to ignore anything posted in the comment section there.CMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481861530761114492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-14252466684439511612015-06-18T14:36:54.589-04:002015-06-18T14:36:54.589-04:00Riiiight.
Just quoting.
Not brimful of trollshi...Riiiight.<br /><br />Just quoting. <br /><br />Not brimful of trollshit. <br /><br />Such an assumption!<br /><br />Mmm hmm.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-60441571085488057552015-06-18T14:34:34.116-04:002015-06-18T14:34:34.116-04:00Bob to "Press Corps": Be More Tribal! Ha...Bob to "Press Corps": Be More Tribal! Hate the Other Side More!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-58976392675772906422015-06-18T12:04:14.178-04:002015-06-18T12:04:14.178-04:00Checking with Wikipedia as instructed by CMike:
&...Checking with Wikipedia as instructed by CMike:<br /><br />"Love Story (novel)<br /><br />From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia<br /><br />This article is about the novel. For the film, see Love Story (1970 film). For the musical, see Love Story (musical). For the radio play, see Juliet Ace#Love Story<br /><br />Love Story is a 1970 romance novel by American writer Erich Segal. .....<br /><br />Al Gore has often stated that the plot is based on his life at Harvard; in 1997 Segal explained that "only the emotional family baggage of the romantic hero... was inspired by a young Al Gore. But it was Gore's Harvard roommate, Tommy Lee Jones, who inspired the half of the character that was a sensitive stud, a macho athlete with the heart of a poet". Erich Segal had met both Mr. Jones and Mr. Gore at Harvard in 1968, when he was there on sabbatical.[2] Despite these claims, the book is essentially an updating of The Lady of the Camellias by Alexandre Dumas, fils, which was also the basis of Giuseppe Verdi's opera La traviata."<br /><br />So I am under the impression Al Gore and his friends cannot even get Wikipedia to correct the one exaggeration "that started it all."<br /><br />Anything else you want me to check at Wikipedia?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-38905852525721053092015-06-18T11:56:33.090-04:002015-06-18T11:56:33.090-04:00CMike, don't be so literal. It was just an ex...CMike, don't be so literal. It was just an expression. mmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-67041487199982145312015-06-18T11:51:20.233-04:002015-06-18T11:51:20.233-04:00"For the record, Candidate Gore ended up winn..."For the record, Candidate Gore ended up winning the state over Candidate Bradley."<br /><br />Yes, the War on Gore was not successful in New Hampshire.<br /><br />For the record, Candidate Gore ended up winning the nation over Candidate Bush. But he lost New Hampshire due to a number of voters who clearly saw him as "evil" and voted for Ralph Nader, whose life work Bob Somerby admires to this day.<br /><br />For the record, I got to witness Al Gore speak at very close range in 1988 when he first sought the Presidency. I found him stiff. Wooden. Dull. And politically phony in an effort to portray himself as the conservative Democrat with a southern Super Tuesday strategy.<br />I have seen little in the coverage of Kit Seelye reproduced here in the Howler that differed from the impression Mr. Gore left me with in person.<br /><br />For the record, I got to work with George Bush when he was Governor and Frank Bruni's portrayal is an accurate reflection of the person I worked with. One could, and I did, detest and oppose his policies without being put off by him personally.<br /><br />For the record, I had two college friends who became involved with Ralph Nader's Public Interest Research Group. To describe them as self righteous and possessed during that period would be an understatement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-73405163609266366692015-06-18T11:25:58.538-04:002015-06-18T11:25:58.538-04:00I don't know, CMike, "Ronaldo of Santa Ba...I don't know, CMike, "Ronaldo of Santa Barbara" is a pretty decent zinger, notwithstanding.stuart_zechmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14817215761981204304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-36657881950801615712015-06-18T11:23:19.402-04:002015-06-18T11:23:19.402-04:0010:41 AM,
You're under the impression that th...10:41 AM,<br /><br />You're under the impression that the Borgias handed down the bishopric of Rome from one family member to the next in uninterrupted succession for decades. You ought to check with Wikipedia before delivering any more zingers.CMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481861530761114492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-3183490243290966932015-06-18T11:01:46.425-04:002015-06-18T11:01:46.425-04:00I didn't say it always worked, but I wouldn...I didn't say it always worked, but I wouldn't bet against Jeb (!). That crime family can get pretty nasty when they feel some heat. Ask John McCain.mmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-2507548292937095072015-06-18T10:41:39.547-04:002015-06-18T10:41:39.547-04:00Which is why, of course, Pope George H.W. Bushia l...Which is why, of course, Pope George H.W. Bushia lost two races for the U.S. Senate, the primary race for the Republican nomination in 1980, and the Presidency he inherited from Ronaldo of Santa Barbara after a single term.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-39453217746451072962015-06-18T10:33:26.691-04:002015-06-18T10:33:26.691-04:00Can he answer "female" if someone asks i...Can he answer "female" if someone asks if Caitlyn Jenner if he is a male or a female? No, unless he wants everyone to think he's constantly lying.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-8017768817311544272015-06-18T07:06:40.371-04:002015-06-18T07:06:40.371-04:00I think it's obvious that the NY Times is putt...I think it's obvious that the NY Times is putting their chips down on Jeb (!). The Bush mob Family are like the Borgias - they will do whatever it takes to win. That is their history.mmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-89760293564841043032015-06-18T00:20:51.931-04:002015-06-18T00:20:51.931-04:00Quotation marks because I was quoting the terms us...Quotation marks because I was quoting the terms used by Bob Somerby to describe the reporters and/or their work.<br /><br />Your assumption they were anything other tells us all we need to know about you. Except you pretend to watch trolls instead of consoling crying analysts. But we got that from the name you chose.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-9465832472586697522015-06-17T21:48:39.166-04:002015-06-17T21:48:39.166-04:00Populism covers a lot of ground.Populism covers a lot of ground.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-11092204628556872642015-06-17T17:58:42.835-04:002015-06-17T17:58:42.835-04:00Scare quotes because you think it really wasn'...Scare quotes because you think it really wasn't crackpot reporting. <br /><br />"Poor dear Al" because the only reason you can see to mention the coverage is a personal attachment to Gore.<br /><br />Thanks, tells us what we need to know about you, Anonymous 4:22.Trollwatchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-82044516395456709242015-06-17T16:50:01.602-04:002015-06-17T16:50:01.602-04:00Hard to say.
But since Somerby is suggesting &quo...Hard to say.<br /><br />But since Somerby is suggesting "transjournalism" involving the two gay men, let's compare work from two women working for the Times:<br /><br />2000: <br /><br /><br />THE 2000 CAMPAIGN: THE POPULIST APPEAL; The Inside Outsiders Behind John McCain<br /><br />By ALISON MITCHELL<br />Published: February 6, 2000<br /><br />2015<br /><br />POLITICS<br /><br />Hillary Clinton’s Vows to ‘Fight’ Evoke a Populist Appeal and a Contrast With Obama<br /><br />By AMY CHOZICK JUNE 15, 2015Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-54669436035517344012015-06-17T16:29:47.677-04:002015-06-17T16:29:47.677-04:00In a more serious nation, there would be rioting i...In a more serious nation, there would be rioting in the streets about the New York Times' pitiful child, Michael Barbaro....the pitiful child is asked to report Romney's Meet the Press appearance....At the Washington Post, Bill Turque, a big-boy reporter, did a much better job with this topic. He explained the hollowness at the core of Romney's pledge, in the way a big boy would. Spankernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-27400711818392774302015-06-17T16:22:12.561-04:002015-06-17T16:22:12.561-04:00Bob seems to have a problem with the "fawning...Bob seems to have a problem with the "fawning" gay men the NY Times assigns to cover Republicans compared to the "crackpot reporting" of the woman "assassin" they assigned to poor dear Al.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-21037813013659789112015-06-17T16:18:25.392-04:002015-06-17T16:18:25.392-04:00What parts were written by Alison Mitchell? What parts were written by Alison Mitchell? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-19794186292650959912015-06-17T16:18:12.498-04:002015-06-17T16:18:12.498-04:00The Howler has continually done a great service wh...The Howler has continually done a great service when it comes to detailing these types of biases, and I remember being appalled "in real time" by the horrible treatment of candidate Gore. But at the risk of entering "conspiracy theory" territory, I'd be interested in knowing Somerby's thoughts on CIA "Operation Mockingbird"-like influences on the media, despite this from Wikipedia: "In February 1976, George H. W. Bush, the recently appointed Director of the CIA, announced a new policy: 'Effective immediately, the CIA will not enter into any paid or contract relationship with any full-time or part-time news correspondent accredited by any U.S. news service, newspaper, periodical, radio or television network or station.'" Yeah, sure. It seems like there is often a concerted effort to drive public opinion that can't be chalked up to just coincidence ("narrative all the way down"). I remember it seemed fishy when so many news anchors and pundits all started using "gravitas" when describing Cheney when Cheney selected himself as W's veep. Some of these memes seem to have origins in right-wing think tanks (like turning "liberal" and "politically correct" into perjoratives). Maybe the only thing to do is call out on an individual basis, as Somerby does, but it may be systemic and not simply many individual cases of "bad journalism" like the many "lone nuts" who've altered America's political landscape. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-4123466018342354422015-06-17T15:59:17.180-04:002015-06-17T15:59:17.180-04:00"But while Mr. Bush was courting the crowds, ..."But while Mr. Bush was courting the crowds, his campaign staff spent much of the day dealing with an onslaught of questions about Mr. Bush's admission the day before that he had been convicted 24 years ago for driving while intoxicated in Kennebunkport, Me.<br /><br />.......<br /><br />Until this week Mr. Bush had spoken only in general terms about past problems with alcohol and said he had once been ''young and irresponsible.'' He had also talked about his decision after his 40th birthday to stop drinking. He was grilled in the summer of 1999 when he was fresh on the campaign trail.<br /><br />Ms. Hughes, in an impromptu news conference, said that the one time that Governor Bush had been asked whether he had ever been arrested for drinking was in October of 1996, and he replied, ''I do not have a perfect record as a youth.'' For a second day, she said he had not been more explicit because he wanted to be a role model for his daughters.<br /><br />During the news conference at the airport in Grand Rapids, Mich., Ms. Hughes several times repeated that Mr. Bush's arrest was an episode from his youth. She was asked if 30 years old, which was Mr. Bush's age at the time, qualified as young.<br /><br />The news of Mr. Bush's troubles reverberated in Texas today. At the request of news organizations, an Austin judge, David Crain, ordered the release of a jury questionnaire filled out by an aide to Mr. Bush in October 1996 when Mr. Bush was called for jury duty. On the form, several questions were left blank, including one that reads: ''Have you ever been accused in a criminal case?'' There was a space next to the word ''accused'' that was to be checked if the answer was ''yes.''<br /><br />Dan Bartlett, a Bush campaign spokesman, said the questionnaire was filled out by the governor's personal assistant, Israel Hernandez. He said Mr. Hernandez left questions, including Mr. Bush's Social Security number, blank because he did not know the answers and handed the form to the governor shortly before he arrived for jury duty.<br /><br />Mr. Bush was excused from serving on the jury after his lawyer, Alberto R. Gonzales, argued that the governor could be asked someday to pardon the defendant.<br /><br />Even at the end of the long day, Mr. Bush appeared unbowed at a boisterous rally here in Morgantown, summoning a fiery voice to tell West Virginia residents that he was on a path to victory even here, a state that traditionally votes Democratic in presidential elections.<br /><br />''Who would have thought, five days to go, that the Republican candidate for president would be able to say this -- I'm going to carry West Virginia,'' he thundered.<br /><br />As the crowd chanted ''No More Gore,'' Mr. Bush told supporters, ''I want to thank you and urge you to keep going for the next five days. Work as hard as you can.''<br /><br />www.nytimes.com/2000/11/04/us/the-2000-campaign-the-texas-governor-attacks-grow-sharp-as-time-dwindles.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-40551439695869875342015-06-17T15:36:19.125-04:002015-06-17T15:36:19.125-04:00Hillary Clinton made many promises in her campaign...Hillary Clinton made many promises in her campaign speech last weekend, including a vow to “make the economy work for everyday Americans, not just those at the top.” Unlike many politicians who cast the income-and-wealth gap as a result of impersonal forces, Mrs. Clinton rightly noted that growing inequality also comes from “choices we’ve made as a nation, leaders and citizens.”<br /><br />Clinton also promised to create new jobs by developing clean energy and financing projects to improve the nation’s roads, railways, bridges, airports, ports and broadband system, although they would require a Congress willing to help. If Clinton’s policy statements, when they come, are as powerful as her promises, they would amount to a meaningful economic agenda.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com