tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post3246487736186362089..comments2024-03-28T06:43:21.546-04:00Comments on the daily howler: The topics you'll never hear discussed in our own tribe's cable news!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-8272128945612725252022-01-27T11:25:52.080-05:002022-01-27T11:25:52.080-05:00No, Frenchie, TDH tends to worry about the high nu...No, Frenchie, TDH tends to worry about the high numbers of black and brown kids who are not preforming at their grade level. <br /><br />It’s the elites who plot ways to shoehorn a certain number of “special” minorities into prestigious high schools so they can pat themselves on the head over “equity”. <br /><br />If they start by focusing on helping the average kid in the average school they might see some progress made as to the racial disparity in their creme de la creme schools too, rather than inevitably changing the standards there. <br /><br />It would take a generation, but focusing on the obvious would help more kids and have more of a societal impact. <br /><br />Unfortunately, politics is no longer about the long game. Ceceliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15162272807640653299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-73416699999853525882022-01-27T08:05:34.491-05:002022-01-27T08:05:34.491-05:00Frankly, I'm disgusted by her abuse of lambs.Frankly, I'm disgusted by her abuse of lambs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-74034044867027366112022-01-26T21:03:54.201-05:002022-01-26T21:03:54.201-05:00Psychologically, what she does is very, very diffi...Psychologically, what she does is very, very difficult. A lot of celebrities are needy even while being pampered and fawned over. Maybe because the positive approval comes from something she knows is an act. She has a hole that probably can't ever be filled. She comes across as very neurotic and shattered inside. I don't know why but it is very hard to do what she does.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-34200074966990768352022-01-26T20:54:05.055-05:002022-01-26T20:54:05.055-05:00Amen.Amen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-84310445741235801372022-01-26T20:44:41.244-05:002022-01-26T20:44:41.244-05:00“This is who, and this is what, our cable news sta...“This is who, and this is what, our cable news stars really are.”<br /><br />Followed by<br /><br />“The interests of black kids don't exist in our world. Setting our posturing to the side, this is who we actually are.”<br /><br />He claims to know what “our” cable stars really are, then he shifts to saying ‘that is who “we” really are.’<br /><br />You cannot judge the values of millions of people by a handful of “cable news stars”.<br /><br />And anyone who claims that liberals don’t care about black kids cannot be taken seriously. It is garbage. <br /><br />It’s the same kind of thing as saying that Republicans are all a bunch of racists. <br /><br />But Somerby is willing to say shit like this about liberals. mhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08937133532381705347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-60396374949891497582022-01-26T20:23:54.102-05:002022-01-26T20:23:54.102-05:00Why would she be "needy" with a constant...Why would she be "needy" with a constant stream of positive approval?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-91082521265989626032022-01-26T20:22:30.868-05:002022-01-26T20:22:30.868-05:00Can anyone seriously believe Bob cares about inner...Can anyone seriously believe Bob cares about inner city Black or Hispanic youth? It’s a gimmick he trots out when he’s in an especially lazy mood, or he’s feeling cornered by reality ( Trump). <br /> Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288008924419574934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-23181651479416607122022-01-26T20:21:52.257-05:002022-01-26T20:21:52.257-05:00Cecelia, this isn't about letting average blac...Cecelia, this isn't about letting average black kids into special classes for academically talented kids with science interests. It is about letting in highly talented black kids who are being screened out by an unfair admission test, so that they can pursue their interests in the same way as highly talented asian and white kids are doing.<br /><br />Imagine for a second that there exist such talented black kids. They do not have gaps. They have test anxiety or they are not being allowed to show what they can do because of discriminatory procedures for identifying them. <br /><br />There are many highly talented black students. One went on to become a scientist and invented a covid vaccine. Others have become highly successful in each of the sciences. There might be more of them if more talented black high school kids were admitted to these special classes, where they can do their best work.<br /><br />The assumption here that removing the admission test might allow unqualified black kids into special classes rests on the idea that no talented black kids exist. That is untrue. Exceptional talent is distributed across all races, SES statuses and geographic regions. <br /><br />Somerby seems to think that the desire to admit more black kids to special schools is politically motivated and that such kids don't exist (because there are wide gaps among average kids). He is wrong. The gaps among the average kids say nothing whatsoever about what happens in the tails of a distribution of talent. <br /><br />There are black kids capable of rising to the top in science. They should have a chance to do so without being screened out by unfair admission tests.Not a rodenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02216459357112547141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-62426966367896755572022-01-26T20:19:02.782-05:002022-01-26T20:19:02.782-05:00Who does care about black kids, if you want to ask...Who does care about black kids, if you want to ask a real question.FDRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06987676214157655750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-10456606780246028892022-01-26T20:12:33.335-05:002022-01-26T20:12:33.335-05:00It’s also insulting to suggest that all the black ...It’s also insulting to suggest that all the black advocates that get face time on MSNBC (a lot) are indifferent to their kids. Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288008924419574934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-60214068818567994522022-01-26T19:36:50.362-05:002022-01-26T19:36:50.362-05:00Anonymouse 6:49pm, I meant that Somerby’s focus ha...Anonymouse 6:49pm, I meant that Somerby’s focus has been to critique the direction of NY politicos (and so the media) on their particular focus on local education. <br /><br />He feels it’s emblematic and he’s right. <br /><br />There’s are TDH blogs in the archive on education issues where there are links to news stories. Ceceliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15162272807640653299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-36565122804071939902022-01-26T19:29:02.301-05:002022-01-26T19:29:02.301-05:00Anonymouse 6:48pm, I think the prudent thing to do...Anonymouse 6:48pm, I think the prudent thing to do would be to focus on the regular public schools that most students attend. That’s where the gaps start. Ceceliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15162272807640653299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-11891479021307403462022-01-26T19:24:34.512-05:002022-01-26T19:24:34.512-05:00No. I don’t think she’s emotionally dysfunctional ...No. I don’t think she’s emotionally dysfunctional or particularly conflicted.<br /><br />It’s evident that she’s found a mother figure in her partner and she thrives in the culture she inhabits. Ceceliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15162272807640653299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-36665457146003846452022-01-26T19:11:52.776-05:002022-01-26T19:11:52.776-05:00Can you imagine the pure hell of her inner life?Can you imagine the pure hell of her inner life?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-15683556305847362202022-01-26T19:11:06.836-05:002022-01-26T19:11:06.836-05:00"She wants you to ruffle her hair and coo tha..."She wants you to ruffle her hair and coo that she’s a precious child prodigy, but in her case this need for approval also means that she’s willing to make other people the goat as a contrast."<br /><br />Definitely. She is very, very insecure and needy which turns into something of a bully and a liar. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-84626423414712671882022-01-26T19:05:38.503-05:002022-01-26T19:05:38.503-05:00Nobody is perfect. Nobody.
The reason I think Ma...Nobody is perfect. Nobody. <br /><br />The reason I think Maddow chafes Bob (because he’s Bob) is that there is a quality of neediness in Rachel that renders her less than reluctant to call out a posse on someone else in order to burnish her glow at the tribal fireside. <br /><br />She wants you to ruffle her hair and coo that she’s a precious child prodigy, but in her case this need for approval also means that she’s willing to make other people the goat as a contrast. <br /><br />Bob has trust issues. He sees her right thru to that. He can’t stomach it. Ceceliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15162272807640653299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-36871846614130291542022-01-26T19:01:14.428-05:002022-01-26T19:01:14.428-05:00She's also fake and obsequious to other hosts ...She's also fake and obsequious to other hosts when she throws to them and fake and obsequious to her guests. That chick makes me want to puke. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-77911975837758520552022-01-26T18:54:23.412-05:002022-01-26T18:54:23.412-05:00She's performing. And she comes across as an i...She's performing. And she comes across as an insecure, fake poser in doing so. To me. I know many people can't see through her phony persona and think she's acting real, and with their best interests in mind. <br /><br />Somerby is SO CORRECT to call her out. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-58694097496423375652022-01-26T18:51:03.656-05:002022-01-26T18:51:03.656-05:00That's all I mean. The "gestures, pauses,...That's all I mean. The "gestures, pauses, smiles, laughs, frowns" come across as fake - and they are - it's a scripted performance. Men do it too. Tucker Carlson, her former partner and buddy, comes across as fake to me too. Not as fake and false as Maddow though. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-11288951399291336162022-01-26T18:50:58.731-05:002022-01-26T18:50:58.731-05:00Yes, and you are making this up. It isn't as h...Yes, and you are making this up. It isn't as hilarious as you seem to think it is. Some might call it lying.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-30909623040759442962022-01-26T18:49:40.763-05:002022-01-26T18:49:40.763-05:00I didn't see that link. Can you point it out? ...I didn't see that link. Can you point it out? The actual NY Times articles doesn't have that in it. It is the only link in today's essay by Somerby.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-13622257599065638752022-01-26T18:48:27.719-05:002022-01-26T18:48:27.719-05:00Cecelia, if you read the article, it says that the...Cecelia, if you read the article, it says that the city is thinking about balancing the demographics by removing the admission tests. Those are the barrier they have identified. There is a large literature (e.g., actual studies, research) on the way that such tests disadvantage black and Hispanic students and do not fairly or objectively measure their ability to succeed at such schools.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-73965130902536214892022-01-26T18:47:24.841-05:002022-01-26T18:47:24.841-05:00Apparently Maddow and her partner were giving the ...Apparently Maddow and her partner were giving the lambs laughing gas which is an illegal activity in most states. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-68647822228127272162022-01-26T18:46:08.660-05:002022-01-26T18:46:08.660-05:00And where is your evidence that all cable news hos...And where is your evidence that all cable news hosts do not do the same thing? This seems like an accurate description of how a TV personality prepares to present news. Being prepared isn't "fake". Some writer characterized this as a performance of a Rachel figure, but where is your evidence that the writer wasn't similarly misogynist in his or her implication that she came across as phony because she wasn't being genuine? Are men ever accused of being fake? Wouldn't it sound odd to call out Somerby for sounding phony in his impersonation of a stand-up comedian? Unfunny would be appropriate, but no one calls men phony for being bad comedians.<br /><br />Women get called this as a not-so-subtle reminder that they are somewhere that they don't belong. Somerby calls for her to be fired almost every time he writes about her. Despite her ratings and popularity. She is obviously succeeding with her audience, but he still thinks she shouldn't be on the air.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-78383595211924660372022-01-26T18:38:48.105-05:002022-01-26T18:38:48.105-05:00Frenchie, transparently fake” isn’t an paintball e...Frenchie, transparently fake” isn’t an paintball epithet such as “Karen”. <br /><br />When a man calls a woman transparently fake it could mean that women can be transparently fake and that people with “y”chromosomes are capable of ascertaining that fact. <br /><br />Ceceliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15162272807640653299noreply@blogger.com