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Here’s his contact Call/WhatsApp: +2347038832903, Email: agbadado@gmail.com...Roy Fundshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09253934347073766665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-32741917584600678682017-09-22T20:52:25.445-04:002017-09-22T20:52:25.445-04:00While I'm at it, and I know, I'm way off t...While I'm at it, and I know, I'm way off topic, but I don't care, thanks to Raven as well for past encouragements.<br /><br />In order to stay on topic, one of the most under-reported facts re: Gaddafi was that he was attempting to create a regional, gold-backed currency system with other North African countries. He had tons of it (gold). It would have totally freed regional governments from the hegemony of the petro-dollar, and removed the collar of western intervention in the region. I’m convinced that this was the main impetus behind his ouster. In that context, it’s no puzzle that those in control of our global economy desired such an outcome. Such independence was unacceptable. As Somerby likes to say, in a much different context, “Dearest Darlings! It simply can’t be done!”<br /><br />Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s nothing new.<br /><br />Cheers, dammit!<br /><br />Leroy<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-47053513865492733882017-09-22T20:51:43.412-04:002017-09-22T20:51:43.412-04:00Congratulations on your successful embed Leroy. As...Congratulations on your successful embed Leroy. As for Asimov, he made everything easy to understand except for those mutton chops.<br /><br />7:49 PM,<br /><br />In the matter of Riyadh's position on the Libyan Civil War, <i>Wikipedia</i> says <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_military_intervention_in_Libya" rel="nofollow">LINK</a>: <br /><br />[QUOTE] <i>12 March 2011: The Arab League "called on the United Nations Security Council to impose a no-fly zone over Libya in a bid to protect civilians from air attack." The Arab League's request was announced by Omani Foreign Minister Yusuf bin Alawi bin Abdullah, who stated that all member states present at the meeting agreed with the proposal. On 12 March, thousands of Libyan women marched in the streets of the rebel-held town of Benghazi, calling for the imposition of a no-fly zone over Libya.</i> [END QUOTE]<br /><br />Funny, the humanitarian Saudis (and Americans) aren't advocating for protecting civilians in Yemen from air attacks.<br /><br />And, of course, Gaddafi was not winning the civil war when he fled Tripoli. However, he was winning the civil war before NATO's intervention. That's the whole point.<br /><br />If you think Graham-Cassidy was introduced because of Sanders' Medicare-for-all bill you are hopelessly confused. CMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481861530761114492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-10193076802233633762017-09-22T19:49:33.894-04:002017-09-22T19:49:33.894-04:002013 is still not 2014, CMike. Somehow Clinton tak...2013 is still not 2014, CMike. Somehow Clinton takes the Bernie-blame for Obama's presidency. Clinton rules again. There is no reason Graham- Cassidy should have been introduced and it should fail as miserably as the previous versions. If it doesn't Bernie is definitely to blame.<br /><br />Gaddafi was not winning the civil war when he was killed. He had retreated to his home town after being kicked out if the capital by rebels. You can pretend that NATI forces are not NATO if the US is involved but the rest of the world is quirky and thinks their efforts matter too. Unless Riyadh runs NATO now, including them is a red herring. But that's how you think -- in memes and stereotypes fed to you by your Bernie-approved sources. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-69076232157256113402017-09-22T19:31:18.506-04:002017-09-22T19:31:18.506-04:00Damn Cmike, you’re on a tear in this thread. Are y...Damn Cmike, you’re on a tear in this thread. Are you an actual historian, or a (very good) amateur? Always love reading your stuff.<br /><br />I posted the above quote as unattributed at the time, because I had it in my mind but couldn’t recall the author. Imagine my surprise when I searched it – I’ve been a fan since my teens.<br /><br /><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/9658-violence-is-the-last-refuge-of-the-incompetent" rel="nofollow">LINK</a><br /><br />I’ll be damned, I think it worked! Thanks for the instruction, and your erudition.<br /><br />Peace,<br /><br />Leroy<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-21298799383625992812017-09-22T16:48:00.054-04:002017-09-22T16:48:00.054-04:0011:23 AM,
Clinton left her cabinet post on Februa...11:23 AM,<br /><br />Clinton left her cabinet post on February 1, 2013. Your point 4 needs some work, it is in contradiction to the last line of the <i>Wikipedia</i> text you pasted.CMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481861530761114492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-56549863712971391522017-09-22T16:35:21.799-04:002017-09-22T16:35:21.799-04:00The story the Wikipedia entry is telling, however ...The story the Wikipedia entry is telling, however unclearly, is that the U.S. led NATO bombing campaign and arms supply arrangements reversed the fortunes of the largely regional Libyan civil war from a route by Gaddafi's government forces into a victory by the various rebel factions.<br /><br />Riyadh wanted Gaddafi out. Washington and Paris had long standing scores to settle with Gaddafi. It turns out that once Gaddafi abandoned his nuclear program his days were numbered.<br /><br />As to that last point, it's not a lesson the West should have been so anxious to teach the rest of the world.<br /><br />As to whether Obama was the party bearing the ultimate responsibility for this policy catastrophe, of course he was. It was Iraq all over again, with the hawks patting themselves on the back for having created another wasteland but this time on the cheap as far as U.S. blood and treasure was concerned.<br /><br />As to whether "it's never a good time to introduce single payer," we shall see. The idea that McCain would vote for Graham-Cassidy because of Sanders' Medicare-for-all bill and not because the governor in his home state stripped McCain of his cover for taking that route is, shall we say, an unsophisticated one. Should Graham-Cassidy end up going down, you then, no doubt, will concede under that scenario it will have turned out Sanders did the right thing for someone committed to bringing about universal single-payer healthcare.<br /><br />As to where you and the other corporate Democrats are on most issues @11:23, that cat has long been out of the bag. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsg0gfNi424" rel="nofollow">LINK</a>CMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481861530761114492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-54791599439701420902017-09-22T16:15:37.019-04:002017-09-22T16:15:37.019-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.CMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481861530761114492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-2021916603697579262017-09-22T11:23:37.357-04:002017-09-22T11:23:37.357-04:00Here is what Wikipedia says:
"In early 2011,...Here is what Wikipedia says:<br /><br />"In early 2011, a civil war broke out in the context of the wider "Arab Spring". The anti-Gaddafi forces formed a committee named the National Transitional Council, on 27 February 2011. It was meant to act as an interim authority in the rebel-controlled areas. After the government began to roll back the rebels and a number of atrocities were committed by both sides,[9][10][11][12][13] a multinational coalition led by NATO forces intervened on 21 March 2011, ostensibly[14] to protect civilians against attacks by the government's forces.[15] Shortly thereafter, the International Criminal Court issued an arrest warrant against Gaddafi and his entourage on 27 June 2011. Gaddafi was ousted from power in the wake of the fall of Tripoli to the rebel forces on 20 August 2011, although pockets of resistance held by forces loyal to Gaddafi's government held out for another two months, especially in Gaddafi's hometown of Sirte, which he declared the new capital of Libya on 1 September 2011.[16] His Jamahiriya regime came to an end the following month, culminating on 20 October 2011 with Sirte's capture, NATO airstrikes against Gaddafi's escape convoy, and his killing by rebel fighters.[17][18]"<br /><br />1. The people had risen against Gaddafi as part of Arab Spring and had pushed him out of office. He was on the run.<br />2. NATO wanted him out of office.<br />3. Regardless of what Clinton and others may have advised, Obama made the decision.<br />4. He was killed by a US airstrike in 2011.<br /><br />It has been difficult for the factions arising after Gaddafi's overthrow to form a unified government and a new civil war started in 2014. You want to attribute that to Clinton but she left office in 2012. <br /><br />But all of this is smoke and mirrors designed to distract us from Bernie's current actions. If he had waited to introduce his single-payer bill, as asked by the Democrats, we wouldn't have the Republicans using Bernie's bill to threaten recalcitrant GOP members into voting for their repeal/replacement bill.<br /><br />They are saying, if you don't vote for this you will have single-payer. If Bernie had waited, they would be saying, if you don't vote for this you will have Obamacare. That is OK with many GOP senators, whereas single-payer is not and gives them an excuse to vote for the very bad Republican health care bill.<br /><br />That is on Bernie because he wouldn't wait until after Sep 30 to make his big introduction. He is not only "not a team player," but he may be the reason our health care goes away. Even if Dems get in and fix this later, it will affect a lot of people with current health issues and it will be entirely Bernie's fault.<br /><br />But lets not talk about that -- let's talk about how bad Clinton was in Libya.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-84198561001664506082017-09-22T00:37:42.797-04:002017-09-22T00:37:42.797-04:00All of this recollection of the American process o...All of this recollection of the American process omits the international community and more importantly the rebellion in progress and the desires of the Libyans in their struggles against Gaddafi. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-3416720852874679712017-09-21T23:23:49.169-04:002017-09-21T23:23:49.169-04:00"But we stopped being a commonwealth of carin..."But we stopped being a commonwealth of caring citizens a long time ago."<br /><br />A ragtag group of 330 million people, each trying to fuck over the person next to them, before the person next to them fucks them over. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-73933141663166376842017-09-21T23:19:51.041-04:002017-09-21T23:19:51.041-04:00[QUOTE] In contemporary political debates, the Lib...[QUOTE] In contemporary political debates, the Libya intervention tends to be remembered as an intra-administration soap opera, focused on the role Clinton — or Susan Rice or Samantha Power — played in advising Obama to go through with it. Or it’s addressed offhandedly in reference to the 2012 terrorist attacks on the U.S. special mission and CIA annex in Benghazi.<br /><br />But it would be far more pertinent to treat Libya as a case study for the ways that supposedly limited interventions tend to mushroom into campaigns for regime change. Five years on, it’s still not a matter of public record when exactly Western powers decided to topple Qaddafi.<br /><br />To more fully comprehend what actually happened in Libya five years ago, let’s briefly review what the Obama administration proclaimed and compare that with what actually happened.<br /><br />On March 28, 2011, U.S. President Barack Obama addressed the nation: “The task that I assigned our forces [is] to protect the Libyan people from immediate danger and to establish a no-fly zone.… Broadening our military mission to include regime change would be a mistake.” Two days later, Assistant Secretary of State Philip Gordon declared, “The military mission of the United States is designed to implement the Security Council resolution, no more and no less.… I mean protecting civilians against attacks from Qaddafi’s forces and delivering humanitarian aid.”<br /><br />The following day, Clinton’s deputy, James Steinberg, said during a Senate hearing, “President Obama has been equally firm that our military operation has a narrowly defined mission that does not include regime change.”<br /><br />From the Defense Department, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Michael Mullen informed David Gregory of Meet the Press, “The goals of this campaign right now again are limited, and it isn’t about seeing him go.” Meanwhile, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates echoed the administration line: “Regime change is a very complicated business. It sometimes takes a long time. Sometimes it can happen very fast, but <i>it was never part of the military mission.”</i> (Emphasis added.)<br /><br />Now, contrast Gates’s assertion in 2011 with what he told the New York Times last month:<br /><br />“I can’t recall any specific decision that said, ‘Well, let’s just take him out,’” Mr. Gates said.“I can’t recall any specific decision that said, ‘Well, let’s just take him out,’” Mr. Gates said. Publicly, he said, “the fiction was maintained” that the goal was limited to disabling Colonel Qaddafi’s command and control. In fact, the former defense secretary said, “I don’t think there was a day that passed that people didn’t hope he would be in one of those command and control centers.”<br /><br />This is scarcely believable. Given that decapitation strikes against Qaddafi were employed early and often, there almost certainly was a decision by the civilian heads of government of the NATO coalition to “take him out” from the very beginning of the intervention.<br /><br />On March 20, 2011, just hours into the intervention, Tomahawk cruise missiles launched from a British submarine stationed in the Mediterranean Sea struck an administrative building in Qaddafi’s Bab al-Azizia compound, less than 50 yards away from the dictator’s residence. (This attack occurred just 100 yards from the building that Ronald Reagan authorized to be bombed by F-111s a quarter-century earlier in retaliation for a Berlin discothèque bombing ordered by the Libyan leader.) Just as the dictator somehow survived the attack on his personal residence in 1986, he also did in 2011.... [END QUOTE] <a href="http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/03/22/libya-and-the-myth-of-humanitarian-intervention/" rel="nofollow">LINK</a>CMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481861530761114492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-25988482957453787652017-09-21T23:06:53.668-04:002017-09-21T23:06:53.668-04:00You're entitled to quote The Nation's opin...You're entitled to quote The Nation's opinion but that doesn't make it fact. This is the problem with getting your info from narrowly partisan sources.Not mmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-82266434012555946012017-09-21T22:51:50.737-04:002017-09-21T22:51:50.737-04:00I'll stick by my assertion. See for instance:
...I'll stick by my assertion. See for instance:<br /><br />[QUOTE] ...Was regime change really necessary? The report takes serious issue with the idea that Qaddafi was on the verge of committing a mass slaughter. The Select Committee <i>[of the UK's Pariliament]</i> notes: “Despite his rhetoric, the proposition that Muammar Gaddafi would have ordered the massacre of civilians in Benghazi was not supported by the available evidence.”<br /><br />Indeed, only days before the launch of military action by the West, Qaddafi addressed the rebels, telling them: “Throw away your weapons, exactly like your brothers in Ajdabiya did. They laid down their arms and they are safe. We never pursued them at all.” Which, as the report observes, is true.<br /><br />Disturbingly, all of this was clear by the time President Obama addressed the situation in Libya on March 18, 2011, when he told the nation that if “left unchecked…Qaddafi would commit atrocities against his people. Many thousands could die. A humanitarian crisis would ensue. The entire region could be destabilized, endangering many of our allies and partners.” <br /><br />But this bow to unreality was not nearly enough for prominent cheerleaders of military intervention like <i>The New Republic’s</i> Leon Wieseltier, who groused, “The situation was even worse, and more urgent, than [President Obama] allowed: left unchecked, Qaddafi already had committed atrocities against his people.”<br /><br />But the president’s decision to finally intervene in Libya left others exultant. Former State Department official Anne Marie Slaughter e-mailed Hillary Clinton in the days following Obama’s decision, writing, “I cannot imagine how exhausted you must be after this week, but I have never been prouder of having worked for you.” Slaughter continued, “Turning POTUS around on this is a major win for everything we have worked for…”<br /><br />Nor was Slaughter alone in her enthusiasm. The Daily Beast’s John Avlon felt the frisson of a history-making moment, declaring that Clinton, national-security adviser Susan Rice and UN Ambassador Samantha Power’s successful push for war was “historically significant.” According to Avlon, their successful lobbying of the president represented “a small mark of our constant evolution toward a more perfect union, even within our civilian-led military.”<br /><br />...the cost of the regime-change war in Libya in lives and treasure has been immense. Libyan GDP collapsed from $75 billion in 2010 to just over $41 billion on 2014, while its place on the UN’s index of human development slid from 53rd (in 2010) to 94th (in 2015). The report points out that by 2016, out of Libya’s 6.3 million people, “3 million have been impacted by the armed conflict and political instability and that 2.4 million require protection and some form of humanitarian assistance.”[END QUOTE] <a href="https://www.thenation.com/article/the-uks-devastating-new-report-on-natos-regime-change-war-in-libya/" rel="nofollow">LINK</a>CMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481861530761114492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-32436014957095856212017-09-21T22:45:35.205-04:002017-09-21T22:45:35.205-04:00POOMA
(slang, vulgar) abbreviation of Pulled out o...POOMA<br />(slang, vulgar) abbreviation of Pulled out of my ass, or more politely pulled out of mid-air: describing information for which no supporting data or attribution is offered or shown.David in Calhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09068188536758619565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-72190968466798006782017-09-21T21:58:26.432-04:002017-09-21T21:58:26.432-04:00The revolution had not failed. Wikipedia and most ...The revolution had not failed. Wikipedia and most other sources disagree with you.Not mmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-12127645007232331992017-09-21T21:57:01.975-04:002017-09-21T21:57:01.975-04:00Violence is the last resort of the incompetent.
-...Violence is the last resort of the incompetent.<br /><br />- Unattributed<br /><br />LeroyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-28183748215903949122017-09-21T21:10:31.451-04:002017-09-21T21:10:31.451-04:00Here's the request I made of you mm: LINKHere's the request I made of you mm: <a href="http://dailyhowler.blogspot.com/2017/09/where-deplorables-are-all-over.html?showComment=1506027183610#c7412407485715492251" rel="nofollow">LINK</a>CMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481861530761114492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-76145064654883980912017-09-21T21:00:45.987-04:002017-09-21T21:00:45.987-04:00CMike, you're such a tedious and predictable l...CMike, you're such a tedious and predictable little runt. Any opportunity to take cheap shots at the Democratic Party nominee, Secretary Clinton, and you crawl out from under your rock. Join hands with Comrade Mao. Your hatred for this good woman with a lifetime of achievements and advocacy and blood sweat and tears working for the most needy in this country is something you share with the vandals and barbarians who have taken over all branches of our government, like Comrade Mao. You make me sick.<br /><br />You might have noticed, if you had bothered to take a breath from your feverish hatred for Secretary Clinton, that I had intentionally not expressed an opinion on the actions in Libya. I only bothered to smack that smirking little chimp for his blatant hypocrisy.<br /><br />Do I agree with Comrade Mao's insane rant? Is that what you're asking?mmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-63915303831028982582017-09-21T20:52:17.779-04:002017-09-21T20:52:17.779-04:00Not mm,
No, Gaddafi was not deposed by a popular ...Not mm,<br /><br />No, Gaddafi was not deposed by a popular revolution. The revolution had failed, Gaddafi was deposed by a U.S. intervention which used as its explicit cover story that the U.S. was not there to achieve regime change.<br /><br />Keep rinsing and keep repeating, it's been the American way since the Spanish-American War, before that actually <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Overthrow-Americas-Century-Regime-Change-ebook/dp/B000Q67L00/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1506041178&sr=8-1&keywords=overthrow" rel="nofollow">[LINK]</a>. CMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481861530761114492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-53107725088856781972017-09-21T20:30:48.029-04:002017-09-21T20:30:48.029-04:00Gaddafi was deposed in a popular revolution. The p...Gaddafi was deposed in a popular revolution. The power vacuum has been the ongoing difficulty because it has been difficult establishing a unity government. It is hard to argue that dictators must be left undisturbed because the process of forming an alternative government is difficult. This situation has arisen all over the middle east, in places where the US intervened, such as Iraq, and places where it did not, such as Egypt. Mao is a troll. Not mmnoreply@blogger.com