tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post3316411820017250526..comments2024-03-28T17:08:40.848-04:00Comments on the daily howler: AVOIDING THE GAPS: Large test score gains!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger81125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-31714331428478268462014-06-24T01:23:53.753-04:002014-06-24T01:23:53.753-04:00Greetings to every one that is reading this testim...<br />Greetings to every one that is reading this testimony...<br /><br />I am Malissa Delh by name, currently living in New jersey city, USA. I am a widow at the moment with three kids and i was stuck in a financial situation in June 2014 and i needed to refinance and pay my bills. I tried seeking loans from various loan firms both private and corporate but never with success, and most banks declined my credit. But as God would have it, I was introduced to a Man of God a private loan lender who gave me a loan of $85,000USD and today am a business owner and my kids are doing well at the moment, if you must contact any firm with reference to securing a loan without collateral , no credit check, no co signer with just 2% interest rate and better repayment plans and schedule, please contact Mr James Lewis. He doesn't know that am doing this but am so happy now and i decided to let people know more about him and also i want God to bless him more.You can contact him through his email: lewisloancompany@yahoo.comAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01514047395521178720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-12764924608112488092014-06-24T01:23:33.910-04:002014-06-24T01:23:33.910-04:00Greetings to every one that is reading this testim...<br />Greetings to every one that is reading this testimony...<br /><br />I am Malissa Delh by name, currently living in New jersey city, USA. I am a widow at the moment with three kids and i was stuck in a financial situation in June 2014 and i needed to refinance and pay my bills. I tried seeking loans from various loan firms both private and corporate but never with success, and most banks declined my credit. But as God would have it, I was introduced to a Man of God a private loan lender who gave me a loan of $85,000USD and today am a business owner and my kids are doing well at the moment, if you must contact any firm with reference to securing a loan without collateral , no credit check, no co signer with just 2% interest rate and better repayment plans and schedule, please contact Mr James Lewis. He doesn't know that am doing this but am so happy now and i decided to let people know more about him and also i want God to bless him more.You can contact him through his email: lewisloancompany@yahoo.comAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01514047395521178720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-50403115280207321192014-05-30T23:37:11.373-04:002014-05-30T23:37:11.373-04:00I was average, not exceptionally smart but excelle...I was average, not exceptionally smart but excelled anyway due to expectations by my parents whose values I internalized and whose opinion I care about. I wish they were drunks with multiple divorces like 6:59's because I probably would have done even better.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-23453182111306931252014-05-30T22:01:59.892-04:002014-05-30T22:01:59.892-04:00Excellent essay @ 1:21. Bob should observe your t...Excellent essay @ 1:21. Bob should observe your terse, to the point, accurate style.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-49718626485956508322014-05-30T19:10:54.100-04:002014-05-30T19:10:54.100-04:00I think you have it about right, deadrat. Just wis...I think you have it about right, deadrat. Just wish things were different.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-52378866734062648842014-05-30T18:59:36.541-04:002014-05-30T18:59:36.541-04:004:03 my parents were drunks with previous failed ...4:03 my parents were drunks with previous failed marriages before the one which produced me collapsed.<br />I excelled in high school because it was easy and college because I was smart.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-17791878546245671272014-05-30T18:56:58.290-04:002014-05-30T18:56:58.290-04:00Aside from the conversations between David in Cal ...Aside from the conversations between David in Cal and deadrat, who besides KZ generates the least bit of iterest around here? You think it's Somerby?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-68702127732921375872014-05-30T16:03:46.578-04:002014-05-30T16:03:46.578-04:00I excelled in high school because my lower middle ...I excelled in high school because my lower middle class parents expected it and did what they could do facilitate it and I knew it. I excelled in college because my parents expected it and would have kicked me out of the house and stopped supporting me if I didn't but mostly because it never occurred to me to let them down. Dysfunctional as all that sounds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-41383163441864100422014-05-30T13:21:27.192-04:002014-05-30T13:21:27.192-04:00Apparently not available on Newsmax, Newsbusters, ...Apparently not available on Newsmax, Newsbusters, Breitbart of daily Caller.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-12535463212108675472014-05-30T12:17:15.371-04:002014-05-30T12:17:15.371-04:00KZ and his sockpuppets are trolls unwelcome on any...KZ and his sockpuppets are trolls unwelcome on any blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-4352143483039099422014-05-30T12:13:40.176-04:002014-05-30T12:13:40.176-04:00The trolls aren't "adding data". The...The trolls aren't "adding data". They are complaining that different topics weren't explored and pulling more data out of the source cited to go in their own wayward directions, as if that contradicted the blogger. It is an annoying waste of time intended to disrupt discussion of what the blogger actually said.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-46577049746313645092014-05-30T11:59:54.373-04:002014-05-30T11:59:54.373-04:00He says: ". . . black kids seem to have made ...He says: ". . . black kids seem to have made substantial progress IN READING [emphasis added] and math."<br /><br />Why doesn't he give us reading scores? Because black kids haven't made substantial progress in reading in the time frame he chose.<br /><br />Go look it up for yourself. Not that you would. After all, Somerby does all that heavy lifting for you. We'll just cede our own critical thinking skills to him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-70266615382186093082014-05-30T11:56:09.554-04:002014-05-30T11:56:09.554-04:00And who died and appointed you God?
Is this the ...And who died and appointed you God? <br /><br />Is this the way you deal with people who don't agree with you completely in real life? No wonder you have so many friends.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-38470243602666253172014-05-30T11:53:56.899-04:002014-05-30T11:53:56.899-04:00All that is available, David.All that is available, David.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-50974685730229871282014-05-30T11:53:11.838-04:002014-05-30T11:53:11.838-04:00Here's a clue for you, junior. A blog post fro...Here's a clue for you, junior. A blog post from a self-proclaimed "education expert" that cherry-picks data so cllumsily is hardly worth discussing. And there really aren't more than a handful of people discussing it.<br /><br />But let's forget all that. Let's focus instead on the "trolls" who provide more data that adds badly needed context, and then call them schizophrenics when they blow Somerby out of the water.<br /><br />And let's pretend it is the "trolls" who are driving people away, not the boring, sloppy, pointless, repetitive and half-baked nature of this blog.<br /><br />Now it's time for: "Oh yeah? Then why are you still here?"<br /><br />Simple. I love to read sheep cry like babies every time the guy who does their thinking for them is exposed as a fraud.<br /><br />Which happens with great regularity.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-80374578337465484072014-05-30T11:51:06.025-04:002014-05-30T11:51:06.025-04:00I wish we had statistics by sex and economic class...I wish we had statistics by sex and economic class. I believe the black middle class is growing. That alone, could account for some portion of improving black educational results. But, how much improvement is there for an average member of the black middle class or black lower class? It would also be interesting to compare girls and boys. <br />David in Calnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-60022920137284409182014-05-30T11:37:59.664-04:002014-05-30T11:37:59.664-04:00KZ, you can have your own blog. Just go to Blogspo...KZ, you can have your own blog. Just go to Blogspot. You don't need to fill up the comments here with your daily garbage. Better yet, go see your doctor and get him to change your meds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-68407499660309249062014-05-30T11:24:56.404-04:002014-05-30T11:24:56.404-04:00Yes, instead of reporting the entire NAEP findings...Yes, instead of reporting the entire NAEP findings in his brief blog posts, Somerby selects only the statistics that support the point he is currently discussing. Fie.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-24094679019550886542014-05-30T11:23:39.454-04:002014-05-30T11:23:39.454-04:00Comments dominated by schizophrenics and hostility...Comments dominated by schizophrenics and hostility toward the content of this blog stifle any opportunity for discussion. Please moderate these comments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-28507191623346283812014-05-30T11:05:17.566-04:002014-05-30T11:05:17.566-04:00Yes, boo hoo. I just can't stand people from a...Yes, boo hoo. I just can't stand people from another tribe.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-36100662976838703082014-05-30T10:29:04.880-04:002014-05-30T10:29:04.880-04:00Bob -- please ban these trolls.Bob -- please ban these trolls.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-36980105897068153822014-05-30T09:37:25.844-04:002014-05-30T09:37:25.844-04:00Last January when Drum took Somerby apart over his...Last January when Drum took Somerby apart over his "legitimate traffic study" nonsense, it was often repeated in the ensuing discussion that, "I stopped reading Somerby regularly when became completely unglued about Rachel Maddow, but he is still good on education."<br /><br />After reading this horrible use of data bent out of all context and recognition to fit the pleasing story Somerby wants to tell his rubes, I'm not so sure that "still good on education" applies any more.<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-50697401463276127582014-05-30T08:29:27.326-04:002014-05-30T08:29:27.326-04:00"It has to be the greatest news you’re not al..."It has to be the greatest news you’re not allowed to hear. Over (let’s say) the past twenty years, black kids seem to have made substantial progress in reading and math."<br /><br />Excuse me but where is the reading data? Bob won't tell you because reading scores for all racial/ethnic groups -- including black kids -- at each grade level tested by the NAEP Long Term have remained flat for (let's say) the past twenty years.<br /><br />And contrary to Bob's assertion the gains that black kids have made on both of the NAEP tests has hardly been hidden. A simple google search will reveal a plethora of information -- including stories in the mainstream press -- concerning the gains that black kids have made.<br /><br />Unfortunately, this information is presented in the context that Somerby wants to hide. Yes, black kids have made gains in NAEP scores. So have white kids and so have Hispanic kids.<br /><br />And they also note the presence of the elephant in the living room that Somerby wishes us to ignore -- despite some marginal closing over a long period of time, the "achievement gap" between white kids and black kids, and white kids and Hispanic kids continues to persist.<br /><br />There is also a wealth of information cautioning amateur analysts from over-interpreting NAEP data and thinking that the test measures more than it was designed to measure.<br /><br />In other words, it's a fool's errand to proclaim any one test -- let alone one part of two forms of one test then focus on one subject at one grade level -- as the "gold standard" when there is a multitude of other testing models and data that also provide additional data.<br /><br />This is not to say that the NAEP isn't extremely valuable. It certainly is. But it also is what it is, and shouldn't be used as the sole source to reach any definitive conclusion.<br /><br />And as has been pointed out, Somerby not only cherry-picks the one form of the NAEP that supports his narrative, he cherry-picks from that one point, choosing his years of comparison, his subject and his grade level very carefully.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-90721863290667798992014-05-30T03:34:10.391-04:002014-05-30T03:34:10.391-04:00You are under the impression that high school is f...You are under the impression that high school is for academic learning. It's not. High school has two purposes: it keeps kids out of the job market until they're 18, and it socializes kids. To that latter end, high school is there to teach the following important lessons:<br /><br />1. It is better to be rich than poor.<br />2. It is better to be pretty than ugly.<br />3. It is better to be popular than not.<br />4. If you're poor or ugly or unpopular, it's better not to be noticed<br />5. Authority is ridiculous.<br /><br />A high-school kids' peers will teach him the first 4; the faculty and administration are masters at teaching the last.deadratnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-67247301406900508952014-05-30T01:13:42.232-04:002014-05-30T01:13:42.232-04:00No, KZ is here because he is a black kid and think...No, KZ is here because he is a black kid and thinks Somerby is a white missionary liberal imperialist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com