tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post3323444609989800147..comments2024-03-29T06:44:19.414-04:00Comments on the daily howler: RODEO CLOWNS: From Rush to Crump!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger90125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-82923018628885682242018-12-05T04:48:10.654-05:002018-12-05T04:48:10.654-05:00Hi Guys! once more I'm present with the latest...Hi Guys! once more I'm present with the latest iformation in connection with your deep interest in call girls. As always I've brought new team of teenager call girs ready to satiate your hunger of female companionship. Just click the links for guidance.<br />-----------------------------------------------------------------<br /><a href="https://www.kolkataescortsgirl.com/gallery.html" rel="nofollow">escorts in salt lake</a><br /><a href="https://www.kolkataescortsgirl.com/links.html" rel="nofollow">russian escorts in kolkata</a><br /><a href="https://www.kolkataescortsgirl.com/contact-us.html" rel="nofollow">kolkata escort service</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.hotladki.com/contact-us/" rel="nofollow">escort service in mumbai</a><br /><a href="http://www.hotladki.com/about-us/" rel="nofollow">escort services in mumbai</a><br /><a href="http://www.hotladki.com/gallery/" rel="nofollow">Chembur Escorts</a><br /><br /><a href="https://www.kolkataescortsgirl.com" rel="nofollow">escort service in kolkata</a><br /><a href="https://www.kolkataescortsgirl.com/about-us.html" rel="nofollow">escort services in kolkata</a><br /><a href="https://www.kolkataescortsgirl.com/rates.html" rel="nofollow">call girls kolkata</a>Archana The best Call Girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02076446961962110533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-82606786558740695692018-12-05T04:46:27.053-05:002018-12-05T04:46:27.053-05:00--------------------------------------------------...-----------------------------------------------------------------<br />Hi Guys! once more I'm present with the latest iformation in connection with your deep interest in call girls. As always I've brought new team of teenager call girs ready to satiate your hunger of female companionship. Just click the links for guidance.<br />-----------------------------------------------------------------<br /><a href="http://www.hotladki.com" rel="nofollow">mumbai escort</a><br /><a href="http://www.hotladki.com/gallery/" rel="nofollow">escorts in mumbai</a><br /><a href="http://www.hotladki.com" rel="nofollow">Chembur call Girls</a><br /><br /><a href="https://www.kolkataescortsgirl.com/gallery.html" rel="nofollow">call girls in salt lake</a><br /><a href="https://www.kolkataescortsgirl.com/links.html" rel="nofollow">college call girls in kolkata</a><br /><a href="https://www.kolkataescortsgirl.com/contact-us.html" rel="nofollow">college escorts in kolkata</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.hotladki.com/rate/" rel="nofollow">escorts mumbai</a><br /><a href="http://www.hotladki.com/blog/" rel="nofollow">escort mumbai</a><br /><a href="http://www.hotladki.com/about-us/" rel="nofollow">Call girls in Chembur</a>Archana The best Call Girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02076446961962110533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-85791549565300320302013-08-25T23:08:47.837-04:002013-08-25T23:08:47.837-04:00Anonymous @ 8:50P,
Since I obviously live for you...Anonymous @ 8:50P,<br /><br />Since I obviously live for your approval, I hope you realize what a relief it is that you've given me a second chance. Although I have to wonder why you bother given that the fact that I love the sound of my own voice is such a burden to you.<br /><br />I cringe at the thought you might not like what I write next, but, no, you don't get to dismiss coordinate clauses so that you can dismiss TDH's argument. TDH wants to know why Howard chose the symbol she did, and he has a theory about the answer. If you think he's wrong, that's fine. Sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting "LALALALALALA. I can't *hear* you." isn't much of a rebuttal.<br /><br /><i>CRUMP!, the Musical</i> is your straw man production. And very droll, too, I never miss a performance. If Howard was influenced by Crump, that apparently, wouldn't surprise TDH. But even if she wasn't, TDH still documents that he tells lies, what TDH calls "fact-free"" statements. That's what I mean by independent. Even if TDH is wrong about Howard, he's not wrong about Crump.<br /><br />In your standard fashion, you didn't find the time or take the effort to comment on that part of the TDH message, but it would be hard to deny its truth.<br /><br />Keeping my fingers crossed that you haven't been disappointed ....deadratnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-17742699353521017802013-08-25T20:50:09.218-04:002013-08-25T20:50:09.218-04:00deadrat,
Well aren't you special! Blah, blah,...deadrat,<br /><br />Well aren't you special! Blah, blah, blah...goodness you do go on and on. Bless your heart. <br /><br /><b>"Howard tells us *that* she chose the hoodie as a symbol, but she doesn't tell us why she chose that one over another."</b> <br /><br />But, nothing. Full stop. Your further assertions after your "reasonably so..." statement are not worth adopting but, there's no need to apologize for them in any form or fashion, sincerely or not. Again, I'm not interested so thanks but no thanks though please feel free to ramble on. <br /><br />The introduction to the evil mastermind CRUMP! (insert villainous theme music here) is not an independent issue in this case, as it concerns this version of Bob's narrative but thanks for the irrelevant aside and rehash. I will give them all the consideration they deserve. From Bob:<br /><br /> <br /><b>"Here’s what we were struck by in this story:<br /><br />Howard seems to believe that Zimmerman found Martin suspicious because he was wearing a hoodie. It isn’t surprising that she would think that. Within a few weeks of the killing, attorney Crump was aggressively peddling that idea."</b> <br /><br />Yeah...that's a real independent issue. No, no wait, it's a very direct connection of his "seems" about Howard to evil mastermind CRUMP! (insert villainous theme music here). Now, since you asked so nicely for a second chance and promised to do better next time, I will happily grant you one! But please don't disappoint me again. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-25996807056933709522013-08-25T18:16:44.218-04:002013-08-25T18:16:44.218-04:00Anonymous @3:07P,
If you don't like my attitu...Anonymous @3:07P,<br /><br />If you don't like my attitude, you can just go fuck yourself. No, no, wait. That's not what I meant. I meant that I'm sorry for my offensive attitude, and I hope you'll accept this humble apology by giving me another chance. I promise to do better.<br /><br />Howard tells us *that* she chose the hoodie as a symbol, but she doesn't tell us why she chose that one over another. Reasonably so, as such an explanation would be peripheral to the point of her story. Dubious is in the eye of the beholder, I suppose. Given the uses that the infamous garment has been put to, I don't see TDH's inference as all that implausible. TDH's "seems" is a weaker statement than an outright attribution through mind reading, but the latter wouldn't be his style.<br /><br />If you don't find my assertions worth adopting, please see my abject apology at the top of this comment.<br /><br />The introduction to the evil Dr. Crump seems an independent issue. P^3 derides TDH's focus on Crump because Crump didn't originate the claims TDH says are bogus. But that's not what TDH is complaining about. His complaint is tthat Crump fueled the fires of misinformation, and P^3 is pretty much in agreement with that. TDH points to a piece by Crump that TDH calls "fact-challenged." Here's a portion<br /><br /><quote><br />Stand-your-ground laws were not enacted to allow aggressors the opportunity to get away with murdering an innocent person, although this is, unfortunately, what has happened. Law enforcement officers initially cited Florida’s stand-your-ground law in their refusal to arrest Trayvon’s killer, Zimmerman, in February 2012. In large part, this law permitted Trayvon’s killer to walk out of the courtroom and back into society.<br /></quote><br /><br />Let's see. SYG laws were written by the NRA and enacted by their dupes with the specific purpose of broadening the use of firearms by anyone, including aggressors. Zimmerman is not guilty of murder, and there is no evidence that makes Martin innocent, in the sense that he had no culpability in starting the altercation. Zimmerman was arrested, although he wasn't charged. SYG requires an affirmative defense, an opportunity Zimmerman declined, and the case was decided on the basis of reasonable doubt concerning lethal force used in self-defense.<br /><br />I can't see how "fact-challenged" doesn't apply.<br /><br />deadratnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-54807017337091586012013-08-25T15:07:13.670-04:002013-08-25T15:07:13.670-04:00deadrat,
Putting your haughty tude' aside, I&...deadrat,<br /><br />Putting your haughty tude' aside, I'm sorry but that's kind of silly. We don't need to ask Howard anything because she told us quite explicitly why she chose the hoodie as a symbol. That's why Bob's "seems" is weak at best and your "shading" isn't much help for him. <br /><br />You can try and finesse it or explain it or rework it all you like as you did with your "it strikes TDH...." but, I'm not interested. So, thanks but no thanks. In the end, there's Bob's actual words and Howard's actual statements and the two don't match Bob's dubious interpretation. <br /><br />Also, of course you leave out that Bob used that "seems" connection to launch into one of his favorite routines...da, da, da....here comes evil mastermind CRUMP! (insert villainous theme music here) which as PPP has pointed out above has serious problems as well. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-29488510712616229452013-08-25T14:15:57.411-04:002013-08-25T14:15:57.411-04:00Gee,drat. You jumped in between Cecelia and my re...Gee,drat. You jumped in between Cecelia and my response to her. My response to you was to your answer first question. I didn't bother to answer the Skittles question because I thought the trademark problem would be a tad too obvious. And of course race hustlers avoided it because of the all too obvious Drank connection.<br /><br />And, yes. Yours was good methaphor indeed.<br /><br />PPPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-22260119309594321032013-08-25T12:42:47.211-04:002013-08-25T12:42:47.211-04:00Martin wasn't wrongfully killed.Martin wasn't wrongfully killed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-23893414198907044572013-08-25T12:40:01.444-04:002013-08-25T12:40:01.444-04:00Thanks. You've more than proven my point.
PP...Thanks. You've more than proven my point.<br /><br />PPPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-3095819634837205302013-08-25T12:35:00.343-04:002013-08-25T12:35:00.343-04:00P^3,
Thanks for giving me two possible answers to...P^3,<br /><br />Thanks for giving me two possible answers to a question I didn't ask.<br /><br />Not everyone who stirs the shit pot is a troll, but I'm reserving judgment on the "pud pulling" part. <br /><br />TDH criticizes mind reading, but I don't think he requires the intellectual straight jacket of literal mindedness. Yes, Howard never explicitly says that she thinks Zimmerman targeted Martin because of the hoodie, perhaps because that point is tangential to her account of self martyrdom. But she has clothed her account with the symbolic garment that others have used to declare Zimmerman's motivations.<br /><br />("Clothed her account" Ha! Pretty good in the metaphor department, dontchathink?)<br /><br />Why don't you think it's a fair inference that she adopted the hoodie as her rallying symbol in just that way? And since it's always possible that her choice was arbitrary, a tossup between it and a bag of skittles, why do you think inappropriate TDH's hedging use of "seems"?deadratnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-81836511022840910142013-08-25T10:59:35.012-04:002013-08-25T10:59:35.012-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-18155595520617617112013-08-25T10:27:33.724-04:002013-08-25T10:27:33.724-04:00Actually, you're a troll, poo.Actually, you're a troll, poo.CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-18095522352673028972013-08-25T10:23:36.838-04:002013-08-25T10:23:36.838-04:00No.
Not wrong that I felt solitary with people ma...No.<br /><br />Not wrong that I felt solitary with people marching in the streets after the Zimmerman verdict, and felt compelled to make a gesture too.<br /><br />Not wrong where I would leave a job rather than lose a controversial symbol.<br /><br />Not wrong that I would suggest that Zimmerman was lying or should not have defended himself with deadly force, as has been said here.<br /><br />No, I think Martin's death was tragic and unfortunate. Not wrong.CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-32866633467044972592013-08-25T09:33:17.583-04:002013-08-25T09:33:17.583-04:00Well drodent, there can be only two possible answe...Well drodent, there can be only two possible answers to your question. Either I am a pud pulling troll, which seems to me to be the most intellectual response I can extract from the mind of CeceliaMc, or I am the one true Bobfan who wants the blogmaster and his loyal commentariat to live up to the standards he advances. Both are possible. We just don't know.<br /><br />PPPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-51564742350858941172013-08-25T09:28:17.955-04:002013-08-25T09:28:17.955-04:00Gee CeceliaMc, if you were going to disregard my r...Gee CeceliaMc, if you were going to disregard my request that you let others play BOB with your written work, you could at least have answered the question. Instead you muddy it futher. I wasn't asking you for further interpretation of the thoughts and/or meaning of Brenda Howard.<br />I was asking whether others sensed you felt Trayvon Martin's death was NOT wrong.<br /><br />If you were going to jump in, the least you could have done was shed light on the answer to the question raised by your correct quote and corrected the two instances where you distored Howard or totally invented things.<br /><br />Was the death of Tryavon Martin wrong?<br /><br />PPP<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-14665956128936743372013-08-25T08:06:14.485-04:002013-08-25T08:06:14.485-04:00You ever hear the old saying, "Things are not...You ever hear the old saying, "Things are not always what they seem"?<br /><br />You've already made your mind up about how this poor women was led down such a path to giving up her job by the vile Benjamin Crump and the evil lies he told about the hoodie.<br /><br />As I read it, Benjamin Crump didn't cross my mind at all. But for at least one blogger, that's the first thing he "seems" to think of as he "seems" to read it, then "seems" to advance his own narrative about this case one more time.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-71741400661907435862013-08-25T06:50:48.698-04:002013-08-25T06:50:48.698-04:00Brenda Hoard wrote:
"Last month, when a jury...<br />Brenda Hoard wrote:<br /><br />"Last month, when a jury found Zimmerman not guilty in Martin’s death, it wasn’t the end of the story. People young and old, black and white, took to the streets from coast to coast. For Zimmerman, too, much was not resolved; whatever you may think of him, he can’t be happy that he killed a young man on the cusp of adulthood, with dreams and goals and loving parents who presented the most graceful bearing of grief I’ve ever seen.<br /><br />I needed to do something. The Monday after the trial ended, I went to my job at a small doctor’s office and made my computer desktop wallpaper (which was not viewable to the public) an image of a hoodie. This image had sprung up on the Internet and social media as an expression of support for the Martin family. It is meant as an acknowledgement that this senseless death had not gone unnoticed."<br /><br />and<br /><br />"There was no room for discussion between him [her boss] and me or me and them. There would be no way to explain, to anyone who felt frightened or threatened by what I had done, that I wasn’t making some call to arms, or a black-power salute, or in fact trying to express any anger at all. It was merely an image of a piece of clothing worn by a young man who was wrongfully killed. By displaying it, I was simply saying that I was sad."<br /><br /><br />The progression of Howard's thoughts was that Zimmerman was found not guilty, but it wasn't over. People took to the streets. Howard felt compelled to do something too. She put up a hoodie screensaver.<br /><br />Later, Howard leaves work rather than taking the hoodie down. She says it's not a symbol of black power, or of her anger, or a call to arms ( by which she could mean violent protests, since she's already expressed emotional solidarity to the people who "took to the streets" after the Zimmerman verdict).<br /><br />It SEEMS that Howard could feel that Martin's death was an injustice. That he was "wrongly" and "senselessly" killed unjustly. It SEEMS that she identified with the people who marched after the not guilty verdict, to the point where she incorporated the hoodie symbol and left her job over it.<br /><br />Although Howard defends herself against a straw man definition of what the hoodie means---black power, "a call to arms" (which must mean something more intense than her "taking to the streets--which did happen), it SEEMS she could be embracing the hoodie myth that Martin is dead because he was racially profiled.<br /><br />Poop, for you to argue that the word "seems" here is an example of "mind-reading" and "hypocrisy" and "weasel" on the part of Somerby or anyone else is just biscuit-eating disingenuous. Especially in the context of an op-Ed so carefully worded it could have been written by an attorney.<br /><br />Let me just say that I'm not surprised that you solicited assistance in responding to my post. tag-teaming is a proud troll tradition. <br /><br />It could never be enough that you proudly your shit platters. Now you must demand that everybody dig in.<br />CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-49780411291062871902013-08-24T18:34:22.456-04:002013-08-24T18:34:22.456-04:00P^3,
Why the fine parsing of CeceliaMc's comm...P^3,<br /><br />Why the fine parsing of CeceliaMc's comments, and why do we have to rely on readers to interpret her thinking? Ask her what you want to know.<br /><br />As far as I can tell, Howard doesn't post comments here, so it's a little harder to ask her. She's written what the hoodie isn't about, anger; and what the hoodie is about, sadness. She written that "It was merely an image of a piece of clothing worn by a young man who was wrongfully killed." Isn't it fair to ask why that image is a particularly apt one, especially in light of its use by others? Why not a bag of skittles?deadratnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-72991400478048785482013-08-24T18:09:22.685-04:002013-08-24T18:09:22.685-04:00DAinCA,
What's the point in my posting little...DAinCA,<br /><br />What's the point in my posting little time-saving notes for you, if you won't pay attention to them?<br /><br />I'm not saying anything the extremity of about Rushbo's performance about Fluke. That's a given. I'm saying that his assumption that Fluke's sex life would drive up the costs of birth control is ignorant. The cost would be unrelated to the frequency with which she had sex. <br /><br />My second point explicitly assumes that insurance companies that pay for birth-control have lower payouts than those that don't. On average, if birth control is cheaply available, fewer expensive babies arrive on the scene.deadratnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-3107206677143641252013-08-24T17:47:29.239-04:002013-08-24T17:47:29.239-04:00Poo Poo Platter (On Slow Saturdays: Serving Ceceli...Poo Poo Platter (On Slow Saturdays: Serving CeceliaMc)<br /><br />I've had a day to reflect on what Chief Bobfan, demonstrates in reaction to a beautiful op-ed piece written by Brenda Howard. <br /><br />Three statements from her, none involving her penchant for simple, if usually stale and repetitive personal insults, stand out.<br /><br />"(Howard) merely bemoaned the fact that Zimmerman WRONGFULLY shot and killed Martin."<br /><br />"Howard obviously does seem to embrace the mythology of the hoodie or she would not have seen it as a symbol for Marin being "wrongfully" killed."<br /><br />"In an op-ed where Howard says that the president is uniquely qualified to discuss Martin having been wrongly killed...."<br /><br />Bob Somerby deserves my applause for calling my attention to Howard's piece. Cecelia demonstrates every flaw Bob seems devoted to deploring in the press.<br /><br />Only once in her piece does Ms. Howard use a derivative of the word "wrong" as an adjective to describe the death of Trayvon Martin. Only one other time does she use any adjective at all. She calls his death "senseless."<br /><br />CeceliaMc uses wrongful or wrongly three times in separate comments, and in two out of three she either twists the context or flat out erroneously misconveys what Ms. Howard said.<br /><br />This fixation with "wrongful" leads me to the Boblike desire to ask some "seem" questions on a blog where so much space is devoted to the difference between words like "invented" and "created." Does Cecelia seem to think Martin's death was not wrong? <br /><br />Howard did not use any adjective to describe Zimmerman's act of killing Martin, so I'm not asking anyone to discuss justifiable homicide. Quote numbe 1 is not an issue. Howard also never said anything at all about Obama addressing the rightness or wrongness of the homicide. CMc made that up out of whole cloth, so I'm not asking other readers to weigh in on that third quote either.<br /><br />I'm asking what readers believe CeceliaMc seems to think regarding the only accurate use she made of Howard's actual words, which was in the second comment. Why would the word "wrongful" be singled out for quotation marks? Is it because another word would better describes Trayvon's death? What do readers think? Would "senseless," a word Howard used elsewhere, have been better and not proven Howard had adopted the mythology of the hoodie symbol. Is that what CMc "seems to be saying?" Or would "tragic" be best, creating an air of sympathy without implying guilt on anyone's part to those who have taken a tribal view of this case. Or is "rightful" killing best, a sentiment other readers have expressed in comments. Anything is possible. We just don't know.<br /><br />Oh, and I would hope CeceliaMc respects the process she has defended Bob using in this post and refrains from comment. Like Ms. Howard, her words have been written. It is up to us, the readers, to interpret what she "seems' to be thinking and what myths in this case she has adopted or tribe she identifies with. <br /><br />Bon appetit. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-72867214497777782682013-08-24T16:23:05.807-04:002013-08-24T16:23:05.807-04:00deadrat, I basically agree with you that Limbaugh ...deadrat, I basically agree with you that Limbaugh went way overboard regarding Sandra Fluke. However, there's a logical hole in your last paragraph. Your argument implicitly assumes that if birth control isn't covered by insurance, people won't use birth control at all.David in Calnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-10846752327272926152013-08-24T14:30:12.615-04:002013-08-24T14:30:12.615-04:00Anonymous @1:38P,
4 minutes is evidence of 240 se...Anonymous @1:38P,<br /><br />4 minutes is evidence of 240 seconds. What more do you think it is?deadratnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-46934129917959953682013-08-24T14:07:52.500-04:002013-08-24T14:07:52.500-04:00DAinCA,
Just a little time-saving note for you: ...DAinCA,<br /><br />Just a little time-saving note for you: you can pretty much count on my being right when I'm having a discussion with you. <br /><br />The example I'm citing is Rush Limbaugh's tirade about Sandra Fluke, the law student whose supposedly over-active sex life would have raised the costs of the rest of the subscribers to her health plan. You know, when Rush suggested that it would be appropriate for her to post sex videos to repay all the extra cost she imposed. <br /><br />In any case, given that health plans cover both delivery and treatment for the complications of pregnancy, any form of birth control is a winner for insurance companies.deadratnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-41912097856450905012013-08-24T13:38:38.431-04:002013-08-24T13:38:38.431-04:004 minutes is evidence4 minutes is evidenceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-18813751171083070392013-08-24T12:14:50.514-04:002013-08-24T12:14:50.514-04:00Anonymous @11:42,
Your narrative has taken you by...Anonymous @11:42,<br /><br />Your narrative has taken you by the neck and shaken you until you can't think straight.<br /><br />It's bad enough that you have assumed Martin was a "thug" and that he started the fight. There is no reliable evidence as to who started the fight or whether the person who started it was legally justified in doing so. There is no evidence that the fight was so violent that any sane person would fear that the next blow would be fatal. We have no evidence that Martin knew Zimmerman was armed or that Zimmerman feared that his own gun would be used against him.<br /><br />We do know that a jury decided that there was reasonable doubt that a reasonable person had to conclude that lethal force was unnecessary.<br /><br />Statement of fact: At some point that night, Z and M stood face to face.<br /><br />Statement of fact: At some later point, the two got into a fistfight resulting in minor injuries to Z.<br /><br />Statement of fact: At some even later point, Z shot and killed M.<br /><br />Statement of fact: The person who returns a broken nose and two scalp lacerations with a fatal gunshot elevated the level of violence. By definition.<br /><br />The law in Florida does not base the legality of lethal force on a post hoc judgment about the injuries sustained by the killer. The law requires that a reasonable person believe, even if mistakenly, that his life is in danger. And further that the state prove otherwise beyond a reasonable doubt to sustain a charge of illegal homicide.<br /><br />There is no inconsistency in stating that Z escalated the violence at the end. He did. There's no inconsistency in also believing that Martin escalated the violence at the beginning. He may have. They both may have been legally justified.deadratnoreply@blogger.com