tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post344844216726310751..comments2024-03-19T07:13:54.443-04:00Comments on the daily howler: Contempt for cops: Would you want this job?<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger63125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-82706679350004545862012-05-25T13:06:04.552-04:002012-05-25T13:06:04.552-04:00The word 'coons' is an antiquated term. Pe...The word 'coons' is an antiquated term. People still use the N word all the time (both -er and -a versions). Most racists are not shy about using it.Bradnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-63677856327601466632012-05-25T11:58:33.291-04:002012-05-25T11:58:33.291-04:00Sorry Braintree, you will have to read more carefu...Sorry Braintree, you will have to read more carefully. I compared Bob to people who are MADER at pushy liberals than people who believe in slavery. Subtle but distinct difference, but the south is filled with them.Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288008924419574934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-63446716661454451552012-05-25T10:53:19.595-04:002012-05-25T10:53:19.595-04:00Even shorter comment:
Can't wait for tomorrow...Even shorter comment:<br /><br />Can't wait for tomorrow's load of sweet hay.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-39552524380767298292012-05-25T09:02:02.635-04:002012-05-25T09:02:02.635-04:00HB, how soon before charges were filed did you det...HB, how soon before charges were filed did you determine that the case against Zimmerman was not nd could not ever be "rock solid"? And how much of that early opinion was based on actual "evidence" that you were privvy to?<br /><br />Heavens to Betsy, let us not even entertain the notion that the Corey and an army of investigators actually did their job well and there may be lots of things about this case that you don't know yet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-19091668900123322012012-05-25T08:49:47.764-04:002012-05-25T08:49:47.764-04:00Well, you are talking about two different MSNBCs. ...Well, you are talking about two different MSNBCs. Back when Phil Donahue was canned in 2003, they were still on the model that Jack Welch built and still searching for that niche audience. Remember that they replaced Donahue with Keith Olbermann? And gave Joe Scarborough and Michael Savage prime time slot?<br /><br />Olbermann's "Countdown" started as pretty much a news show, not such an opinion-oriented program, with its formatted segments. Although it is wise to take everything Olbermann says with a grain of salt, he said that in those very early days, he was frequently criticized by MSNBC brass for having too many liberals on his show.<br /><br />It wasn't until American public opinion had long started turning against the Iraq invasion that Olbermann sewed on a pair of balls, and MSNBC started noticing that he was attracting an audience.<br /><br />Donahue's problem was that he had a national platform and was asking serious questions about the invasion long before it was cool to do so. <br /><br />If an accurate history of that era is ever written, the runup to the war should go down as some of the darkest days in the history of American journalism as just about everybody fell in line with the Bush administration.<br /><br />In my opinion, the performance of the White House press corps in that final, nationally televised press conference before the bombs started dropping was the single worst performance of the U.S. media in history.<br /><br />And that performance makes MSNBC's "behavior" on the Trayvon Martin case look like Peabody and Emmy award winning material.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-14800501514069166762012-05-25T08:40:25.330-04:002012-05-25T08:40:25.330-04:00Even the prosecution doesn't agree with my cha...Even the prosecution doesn't agree with my characterization of the shooter and what he said on the tape, but I'm an Unknown idiot, so I stick by it.Unknownnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-11621641763731623912012-05-25T08:24:41.880-04:002012-05-25T08:24:41.880-04:00Oh, I don't think it's too difficult a str...Oh, I don't think it's too difficult a stretch to imagine that the actions of a lot of people -- including George Zimmerman -- could have been much different had Trayvon Martin been Joe Martin, white captain of his high school football team and honor student headed to college.<br /><br />You see, it's much easier to sell all these imagined scenarios in which the unarmed kid becomes the thug and the perp and the guy who shot him becomes the victim when the dead kid is black.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-40938242480012439572012-05-25T08:18:06.841-04:002012-05-25T08:18:06.841-04:00"'No channel has behaved more more egregi..."'No channel has behaved more more egregiously' does not preclude others having behaved as egregiously."<br /><br />Wow! Talk about a weasly way to try to wriggle out of a stupendenously stupid statement.<br /><br />Somerby could have said, "MSNBC's behavior with the Trayvon Martin case was every bit as bad as Fox's behavior during the run up to the Iraq invasion." But he didn't. <br /><br />You know why? Because THAT would have been the "daily howler" and utterly indefensible.<br /><br />Instead, he threw sweet hay to his few newfound readers from the George Zimmerman Fan Club. <br /><br />These people are very important to him, which is why he still posts on Martin/Zimmerman on practically a daily basis about things MSNBC hosts said two months ago.<br /><br />They are the replacement for those people who thought Somerby jumped the shark when he spent months claiming that Bush didn't lie to the American people in the State of the Union address when he said Saddam was trying to buy uranium from Africa as he sought to build a case for his morally reprehensible doctrine of "preemptive" war.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-18263022383395126152012-05-25T08:03:57.274-04:002012-05-25T08:03:57.274-04:00I don't see where gravymeister made any claims...I don't see where gravymeister made any claims about the Sanford PD's handling of this investigation. How could he know at this point, or Somerby for that matter, who seems to be hanging his hat on yet another hook that they handled this as well as could be expected.<br /><br />What he is saying is that you can set the bar low enough that even George W. Bush can reach it.<br /><br />And Somerby has seemed to set a mighty low bar for the Sanford PD.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-37216942473834463962012-05-25T04:17:19.406-04:002012-05-25T04:17:19.406-04:00Oops. That should, of course read, "Then plea...Oops. That should, of course read, "Then please substantiate your claim."<br /><br />Schmuck.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-66438257676113433002012-05-25T04:16:16.941-04:002012-05-25T04:16:16.941-04:00HB here.
Um, gravymeister,exacty what are you wil...HB here.<br /><br />Um, gravymeister,exacty what are you willing to say the Sanford PD did wrong here? Then please compare it to the job done by the news media. In other words, please stantiate your claim.<br /><br />Or you could just shut up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-85150779162706846642012-05-25T04:11:44.960-04:002012-05-25T04:11:44.960-04:00HB here,gyrfalcon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P...HB here,gyrfalcon.<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projectionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-2088715218249601092012-05-25T04:09:42.802-04:002012-05-25T04:09:42.802-04:00HB here,
Well,gyrfalcon, what do you think we sho...HB here,<br /><br />Well,gyrfalcon, what do you think we shold call jerkwads who have promiscuously accused those of us who used our critical thinking skills to notice that the case against Zimmerman was not the rock-solid thing we were told it was of being racists?<br /><br />The fact that you object more to the term "race pimps" than what is now another obvious and needless black eye to liberalism's good name--thanks to yet another Duke lacrosse-style,left-wing cluster eff--speaks volumes about where you're coming from.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-21321430723821706132012-05-24T23:21:51.730-04:002012-05-24T23:21:51.730-04:00PS: There is nothing "homophobic" about ...PS: There is nothing "homophobic" about the term "fluffer." Women act as fluffers on pornography sets all the time, Anonymous. Your mother for example.Hieronymus Braintreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05303938809800287873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-24060026308515488752012-05-24T22:58:09.431-04:002012-05-24T22:58:09.431-04:00Another thought: If Zimmerman has been an open cri...Another thought: If Zimmerman has been an open critic of the Sanford Police Dept. would that not be motivation for the Sanford PD to be less than kind to him in regards to Martin? They could screw over a perceived foe while scoring anti-racist brownie points with Sanford's citizenry. Win, win.Hieronymus Braintreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05303938809800287873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-17406450873716299282012-05-24T22:16:15.089-04:002012-05-24T22:16:15.089-04:00"'He also contended the department covere..."'He also contended the department covered up the beating of a black homeless man by the son of a white officer.'"<br /><br />Well, if that doesn't prove that Zimmerman's a racist scumbag, it's hard to see what will. <br /><br />I'd like to reply to the previous post but I have to go to work.Hieronymus Braintreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05303938809800287873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-2011865940178543322012-05-24T22:12:31.313-04:002012-05-24T22:12:31.313-04:00http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgR7gCxXQYg
I gott...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgR7gCxXQYg<br /><br />I gotta admit, it does sound like Zimmerman says "[effing] coons," (2:21) which is rather disturbing. However, he has previously described Martin as running away (2:09). A few seconds later there is some distortion that appears to indicated Zimmerman is moving. This is when police dispatch asks him if he's following Martin (2:23) whereupon Zimmerman says yes. Police dispatch then tells Zimmerman that they don't need him to do that whereupon Zimmerman agrees. That part of the conversation ends at the 2:29 mark. Zimmerman spends the rest of the conversation arranging to meet up with police until the call ends at about 4:05.<br /><br />That's almost two whole minutes that Martin has had to run away. Calling a black person an effing coon is pretty disgusting racism but the police recording (does anyone still use tape?) still overwhelmingly supports Zimmerman's side of the story. Also, until you hear from Zimmerman, you can't rule out the possibility that the distortion already present in the recording affected the sound to make it seem that Zimmerman said something other than what it presently sounds like. <br /><br />And even if Zimmerman did call him all that, it still doesn't give Martin the right to attack him or deny Zimmerman the right to defend himself.Hieronymus Braintreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05303938809800287873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-70678656282287560202012-05-24T21:35:07.258-04:002012-05-24T21:35:07.258-04:00Um, Greg, last we chatted, you compared Bob Somerb...Um, Greg, last we chatted, you compared Bob Somerby to people who supported slavery even though you also acknowledged that Bob was largely accurate. Now, you're mocking whites for thinking that lefties are often anti-white racists?<br /><br />Lefties like Greg are worth a hundred Limbaughs. Limbaugh smears lefties but Greg validates Limbaugh by proving that the smears are often true. Way to help the Repugs, guy. <br /><br />Tell me, Greg, what's it like living the life of an unintentional self-parodying stereotype?Hieronymus Braintreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05303938809800287873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-28003689516538808812012-05-24T21:27:11.848-04:002012-05-24T21:27:11.848-04:00Apparently, Anonymous at 4:50 PM, you have some re...Apparently, Anonymous at 4:50 PM, you have some reading comprehension problems. Anonymous at 3:58 PM is exactly right. "No channel has behaved more more egregiously" does not preclude others having behaved as egregiously. Calling those of us who note this very simple, easy-to-identify-and-understand piece of factual reality does not make us "fluffers." However, calling those of us who understand plain English "fluffers" does make you an inanely vindictive, name-calling a-hole. <br /><br />Frankly, if I were in your shoes, I'd be too upset about the loss of face and credibility by being on the side that's been so spectacularly wrong about the whole Martin/Zimmerman business to take much pleasure in such petty and stupid trifles.Hieronymus Braintreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05303938809800287873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-84379153034850807032012-05-24T21:20:30.080-04:002012-05-24T21:20:30.080-04:00I use the word "fluffers" to give a litt...I use the word "fluffers" to give a little variety - pornographic (with a naughty touch of homophobia), rather than just calling everyone "racist." Yes, I am incapable of making a substantive argument.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-87346507704734124482012-05-24T19:34:01.352-04:002012-05-24T19:34:01.352-04:00The n word is not last century. No one under your ...The n word is not last century. No one under your grandpas age uses coon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-27050040260045754642012-05-24T19:32:09.680-04:002012-05-24T19:32:09.680-04:00The lengths they go to shoehorn race into an incid...The lengths they go to shoehorn race into an incident in which race was irrelevant...insane.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-41152344987976515452012-05-24T19:16:19.989-04:002012-05-24T19:16:19.989-04:00The wisdom of the biased is always refreshing, and...The wisdom of the biased is always refreshing, and we can relax knowing that no one can now speak the N word since it is just so last century.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17516065349693480312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-1157989623521582752012-05-24T19:05:27.472-04:002012-05-24T19:05:27.472-04:00The doctor is in, and I have news for you: There h...The doctor is in, and I have news for you: There has been bias among Blacks based on lighter vs darker skin for eons. And being partially a hated race or ethnic group can itself exacerbate the antipathy.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17516065349693480312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-12541348531798933582012-05-24T18:11:03.156-04:002012-05-24T18:11:03.156-04:00Shorter comments:
The most important thing to kno...Shorter comments:<br /><br />The most important thing to know about the atrocious, biased, terrible and unrepentant coverage MSNBC has provided on the Martin/Zimmerman case is this: Bob Somerby may have been hyperbolic in stating how egregious it was.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com