tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post3480701887624604670..comments2024-03-28T05:18:49.289-04:00Comments on the daily howler: John Lewis discusses the way he grew up!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-33999073851840693402020-09-16T05:42:08.656-04:002020-09-16T05:42:08.656-04:00Công viên băng giá Alaska Mỹ
Khám phá và du l...<a href="http://vemaybaydimygiare.blog.jp/archives/21117363.html" rel="nofollow">Công viên băng giá Alaska Mỹ</a><br /><a href="http://dulichhoaky.publog.jp/archives/1882277.html" rel="nofollow">Khám phá và du lịch Cầu Brooklyn Mỹ</a><br /><a href="http://sanvedimyre.blogo.jp/archives/1404687.html" rel="nofollow">Du lịch công viên nước Aqua Adventure Mỹ</a><br /><a href="https://www.behance.net/gallery/84280479/Ve-may-bay-di-My-thang-nao-re-nhat-United" rel="nofollow">Vé máy bay đi Mỹ tháng nào rẻ nhất United</a><br /><a href="https://linkhay.com/link/2203141/ve-may-bay-di-austin-my-chi-tu-400" rel="nofollow">Vé máy bay đi Austin Mỹ chỉ từ 400$</a><br /><a href="https://dulichmy.glitch.me/xin-visa-du-lich-my.html" rel="nofollow">Bí kíp xin visa thành công du lịch Mỹ</a><br /><a href="https://ve-may-bay--i-my.sitelio.me/dai-lo-danh-vong-hollywood" rel="nofollow">Đại lộ Danh vọng Hollywood Hoa Kỳ</a><br /><a href="https://vemaybaydimy-vnn.blogspot.com/2019/04/8-loi-khuyen-cho-du-khach-lan-au-en-san.html" rel="nofollow">8 lời khuyên cho du khách lần đầu đến San Francisco</a><br /><a href="https://conglyvaness.violet.vn/entry/nghe-thuat-am-nhac-duong-pho-usa-12753143.html" rel="nofollow">Nghệ thuật âm nhạc đường phố USA</a><br /><a href="https://vemaybaydimy-hcm.blogspot.com/2019/01/ve-may-bay-di-allentown-pennsylvania-gia-re.html" rel="nofollow">VÉ MÁY BAY ĐI ALLENTOWN - PENNSYLVANIA GIÁ RẺ</a><br />Chuyên trang đi Mỹhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02484510410452401130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-66732110788798563252013-04-02T20:47:43.915-04:002013-04-02T20:47:43.915-04:00Seems to me the main complaint is "Bob isn...Seems to me the main complaint is "Bob isn't loyal to the tribe". If he would only restrict his criticism to the other side, which is the truly horrible one, then all would be well. He could be forgiven of his heresy and apostasy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-45361704622931379462013-04-02T20:34:40.366-04:002013-04-02T20:34:40.366-04:00"Get off your a$$ and actually contribute&quo..."Get off your a$$ and actually contribute"<br /><br />Well, thank goodness you don't think you are morally superior to him or something.<br /><br />But yeah, the "liberal world" is more like "the left side of the M$M and the blogosphere" than it is an actual world, but there is no shortage of examples of TV pundits, writers and blog posts expressing "hatred for the others" to massive applause. Hate, it seems, sells about as much as sex.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-84923373064838827092013-04-02T13:32:22.053-04:002013-04-02T13:32:22.053-04:00Who said anything about Lewis screwing up? He does...Who said anything about Lewis screwing up? He doesn't follow the exacting, censorious, fussy Howlerian script. Bravo for that.Confusednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-39205101962581465282013-04-02T13:09:58.082-04:002013-04-02T13:09:58.082-04:00Because I personally can't think of any reason...Because I personally can't think of any reason NOT to hate people like this: http://wonkette.com/509692/tennessee-to-stop-feeding-its-dumb-kidsShirley you jestnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-56206445011193294162013-04-02T13:05:23.937-04:002013-04-02T13:05:23.937-04:00John Lewis is a better human than I'll ever be...John Lewis is a better human than I'll ever be.Shirley you jestnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-57509630330642537042013-04-02T12:52:03.461-04:002013-04-02T12:52:03.461-04:00What were those things?
And why, if they in fact...What were those things? <br /><br />And why, if they in fact were "tribal and divisive," would it be relevant? It wouldn't prove anything other than that Lewis can screw up. So?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-23601536513827868532013-04-02T08:37:20.168-04:002013-04-02T08:37:20.168-04:00John Lewis has had some downright tribal and divis...John Lewis has had some downright tribal and divisive things to say about the tea baggers and the GOP.Confusednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-3007178453046431762013-04-02T08:36:03.785-04:002013-04-02T08:36:03.785-04:00Oh, Greg, don't you know by now: the zinger is...Oh, Greg, don't you know by now: the zinger is the whole point of every post. He's like my tedious mother in law: all of her windy tales and parables lead to one destination: how much she hates her husband.<br /><br />I was shocked he didn't somehow work The Liberal World into his post on Rabbi Schacter.Confusednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-69083713190163758892013-04-02T05:59:04.750-04:002013-04-02T05:59:04.750-04:00There's one zinger that didn't make it int...There's one zinger that didn't make it into the discussion, so I'll toss it in now.<br /><br />How'd being nonviolent work out personally for Gandhi and Dr. King?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-91432657769619700532013-04-02T01:17:30.470-04:002013-04-02T01:17:30.470-04:00My two cents (i'm anon 2:14) is that I can see...My two cents (i'm anon 2:14) is that I can see wanting Bob to be tracking the echo chamber into the mainstream. I get that.<br /><br />I appreciate ,however, his focus on criticizing the corporate left. As well as his increasing criticism of liberals in general. <br /><br />In part I think the focus is useful because one day a Republican will once again be in the White House. And, at that moment I suspect we will want better liberal media champions that the ones we have now. And we will want a media culture that is better able to call BS, better able use logic and reason. Because, I believe, we actually do have better ideas when they can actually be articulated.<br /><br />So, that's what works for me about Bob's focus now. I actually think he's taking a somewhat longer view of things than just when a Dem's in charge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-50092724085430219832013-04-02T00:36:04.638-04:002013-04-02T00:36:04.638-04:00So you want him to pay attention to stuff King sai...So you want him to pay attention to stuff King said that doesn't help him make his larger point? Why, exactly? <br /><br />I agree King was complex and divisive at times. But that doesn't mean I'm obligated to tackle the whole of his complexity to make a point about what I think is a good way to approach politics or political thought. What King said in 1957 isn't undone by what he said in 1968. I don't necessarily see that as cherry picking. Isn't that just how one makes a point when tackling a complex subject. Unless you want to write a thesis about it? What you have Bob say if he wanted to laud King's statement and make the same basic point?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-52168009954010453482013-04-02T00:29:30.157-04:002013-04-02T00:29:30.157-04:00Well I don't think he's decided on his own...Well I don't think he's decided on his own that those are the most influential mainstream media "liberal" voices. We're talking about a cable news network and the New York Times. Both routinely define the "liberal" viewpoint in mainstream discourse. If you're to the left of the NYT op ed page or MSNBC you're essentially a commie in mainstream discourse. And, even, Krugman gets written off as the most liberal of a "left leaning" op ed page.<br /><br />Maybe the media landscape has changed substantially and you feel like you want Bob to catch up to that. I can see that POV. The NYT ain't what it was in terms of influence.<br /><br />But, I still don't see what it is you want him to do exactly. Just talk about whatever publications he randomly picks up? That's a different blog, no?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-85513710438566030292013-04-02T00:08:51.473-04:002013-04-02T00:08:51.473-04:00You don't give Somerby his due. There were not...You don't give Somerby his due. There were not blogs like his back in Clinton and Gore's time in office. The crap the Times was printing back then was horrid journalism and there was very little pushback from the moderate left. The Clinton scandals outside of Monica were all fabricated and by the time Monica came around there was a well-endowed special prosecutor with wiretapping power on a well-endowed witch-hunt while being fed false leads by a Clinton-hating FBI head Louis Freeh. You severely underestimate how much worse the right-wing arrogance was in Clinton's Presidency compared to Obama's. Newt Gingrich and Contract for America make Ryan and Boehner look moderate. Remeber too that much of the moderate Democrat base mocked Hilary for her 'vast right-wing conspiracy' statement. They weren't laughing a few years later when Bush and Cheney started fucking things over. <br />Anyway, it's much harder for the Times to get away with the Whitewater-style crap nowadays because of people like Bob. Look at the way he and Glen Greenwald and others abused and humiliated the Judith Miller type reportage in the build-up to Iraq. That was a good thing. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-52709043488433951112013-04-01T23:38:19.468-04:002013-04-01T23:38:19.468-04:00So Bob has decided that the most influential media...So Bob has decided that the most influential media voices are those on MSNBC and the NYT op-ed pages? And those are the only voices worthy of his scrutiny?<br /><br />I couldn't put the problems with what this blog has devolved into better than that.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-4485339014270526942013-04-01T23:29:08.870-04:002013-04-01T23:29:08.870-04:002:14. since you want to engage in a discussion (as...2:14. since you want to engage in a discussion (as opposed to 6:43 who wants to wallow in his own smug self-righteousness), what I really want this blog to be is what it once was back when more than 300 or so people were reading it.<br /><br />Bob was both a pioneer and brilliant when he was exposing how right-wing echo chamber narrative so easily made it into the pages of the so-called "mainstream media" and actually had a stranglehold on the "American discourse".<br /><br />We actually have a guy sitting in the White House who has, if not destroyed all that, then certainly overcome it through charisma and above all else, competence in office, something his predecessor sorely lacked. They've thrown their worst at him, and he's still standing.<br /><br />But Bob has missed all that. Instead, he's like an aging '70s band that keeps playing old "hits", hence how everything eventually is about the Election of 2000, and the book he's never quite gotten around to finishing.<br /><br />And the only new tunes he signs is the easy target about how horrible awful these whippersnappers are who seemed to have gone from blogging to MSNBC, while he sits in front of his computer blogging to an ever dwindling audience.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-35507855728676754692013-04-01T22:44:38.773-04:002013-04-01T22:44:38.773-04:00Sad that in this post, worthwhile as it is, you fe...Sad that in this post, worthwhile as it is, you feel the closing zinger about the Liberals coming a mile away. Too bad Dr. King didn't live a little longer. Then, like Bob, He could have seen "Easy Rider" and learned the truth about those dirty Devil worshiping hippies.Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288008924419574934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-85555088051584282422013-04-01T21:41:54.727-04:002013-04-01T21:41:54.727-04:00Wait, Anonymous, do you mean to suggest that King ...Wait, Anonymous, do you mean to suggest that King might've dropped the R-bomb? Horrors! You mean he might have pointed out racism where it existed? And called it racism?<br /><br />What dumb politics. Surely King must've known this would hurt LBJ and the Democrats! Surely he must've known this was no way to advance progressive interests.Confusednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-71109265501725226492013-04-01T21:35:01.527-04:002013-04-01T21:35:01.527-04:00Bob cherry picks the aspects of King that support ...Bob cherry picks the aspects of King that support his points and ignores the parts of King that were more divisive and condemning of The Other Side. King is a more complex and even contradictory man than Bob acknowledges. He'd have had a field day with King's more divisive rhetoric.Confusednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-71815397762252584542013-04-01T20:11:04.072-04:002013-04-01T20:11:04.072-04:00So you want Bob to point to Esquire too? That'...So you want Bob to point to Esquire too? That's the problem with TDH for you? He spends too much time criticizing two of the largest, most influential media institutions (not just in terms of civilian audience, but in terms of who others in the media look too as well) that also happen to carry the Liberal mantle for pundits and readers alike.<br /><br />It's great that analysis happens in Rolling Stone, and GQ, and Vanity Fair. But, again, widening his scope and focusing on those less influential publications seems like you just want him to write a different blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-72076401798969127142013-04-01T20:06:38.273-04:002013-04-01T20:06:38.273-04:00Well, contextually, this was the speech that peopl...Well, contextually, this was the speech that people talk much less about because it was 1968 and he protesting the Vietnam War and taking on poverty. <br /><br />And wasn't this also the speech in which he suggested a work stoppage in Memphis. And after this speech he led a march that turned into the only violent protest of his career - that he was totally ashamed of.<br /><br />I agree King is whitewashed if you don't include his objections to the war and capitalism. But, I'm not clear what your argument is or how it relates to Bob.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-58917200235386970912013-04-01T18:43:05.200-04:002013-04-01T18:43:05.200-04:00Oh look, man!
"What irritates" Our Own...Oh look, man! <br /><br />"What irritates" Our Own Anonymous (who's been hanging around here forever despite multiple past promises to shove off...) is that Somerby's swipes at the "liberal world" hit a little too close to home. <br /><br />Yup. <br /><br />Our Anonymous is a himself a hater, plain and simple and doesn't like seeing that mode of liberal loathing called out by Somerby.<br /><br />His piss-fits are boilerplate at this late date.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-45349261376267127382013-04-01T18:41:10.121-04:002013-04-01T18:41:10.121-04:00Anon 2:29,
When someone sends me an email that cla...Anon 2:29,<br />When someone sends me an email that claims FBI homicide weapons stats show more Americans are killed by baseball bats than guns, you can bet your sweet patootie I feel smarter than them.<br /><br />Now, I don't hate them but I do have a bit of controlled rage for the shithead that authored that email. (Pardon my French.)<br /><br />If the wingnut fits, screw it on.gravymeisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16075831177588700301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-19903865431610236102013-04-01T18:27:28.608-04:002013-04-01T18:27:28.608-04:00What a fascinating and moving testimony a generati...What a fascinating and moving testimony a generation and a people.<br /><br />I wouldn't presume upon the hardship of Lewis and company to appreciate this,but there's an irony and a sadness in the fact that as bad as things were then, today's society has lost something true and good from the past.CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-21734002857493505902013-04-01T18:13:10.105-04:002013-04-01T18:13:10.105-04:00An example of "liberal" analysis that Mr...An example of "liberal" analysis that Mr. Somerby should be happy about but doesn't cover, stuck too much in NYT and MSNBC, as "liberals" flocked only there for information and analysis:<br /><br />http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/atlanta-school-reform-scam-040113mchnoreply@blogger.com