tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post4014933318716235246..comments2024-03-28T18:17:57.067-04:00Comments on the daily howler: RODEO CLOWNS: And a tow truck driver!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger79125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-83815955464128151282014-03-20T07:49:08.220-04:002014-03-20T07:49:08.220-04:00if you are going somewhere and suddenly the fuel o...if you are going somewhere and suddenly the fuel of your car was finished,then just a call us our <a href="http://chicago-tow.com" rel="nofollow">tow service</a> tow your car to nearest fuel pump Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04810179075290882350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-64657923113316973292014-03-20T06:57:47.859-04:002014-03-20T06:57:47.859-04:00Our tow truck service is the best in the business....Our <a href="http://chicago-tow.com" rel="nofollow">tow truck</a> service is the best in the business.just give us a call,and we comes to you always on time and make your day easier with our best and fast services Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04810179075290882350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-84768653220210612212014-03-13T01:44:35.146-04:002014-03-13T01:44:35.146-04:00If you are going to party or some other work,which...If you are going to party or some other work,which are important to you but you can't reached there for your vehicles failure at that time Give us a call or click to connect, (773) 234-2TOW. We guaranteed provide you to our tow truck service to help you to reach your destionation.<a href="http://chicago-tow.com/services/tow" rel="nofollow">tow truck service<br /></a>himanshuhttp://chicago-tow.com/services/townoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-3362077581959397832013-08-23T08:54:33.037-04:002013-08-23T08:54:33.037-04:00Thanks thanks, Gutnonymous, but I'm not "...Thanks thanks, Gutnonymous, but I'm not "rightish".<br /><br />I'm conservative through and through.CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-68705451857190350592013-08-22T12:49:14.825-04:002013-08-22T12:49:14.825-04:00Anon (Defender of Maddow),
Aren't you asking ...Anon (Defender of Maddow),<br /><br />Aren't you asking to have it both ways? You want Maddow's "they no longer support" formulation not to be taken literally, but cannot find "the R-word" in her crystal-clear portrait of Knox.<br /><br />But you really, really want to talk about "Moral Mondays." Well, it still strikes me as just uncritical cheerleading for a Democratic Party grass-roots initiative. You say that she's discussing voting rights, which transcends divisions, but it's part of this report because it's affecting Democratic strongholds.<br /><br />Now, I don't watch her, so I could be wrong on this, but with her comprehensive reporting on health care, did she ever explain why the Democratic Party were such horrible negotiators that they conceded single-payer so quickly that it wasn't even allowed in the earliest discussions? Because as someone interested in liberal policies, not necessarily just electing Democrats, I would like to understand that one.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-8634555423813327802013-08-22T11:00:23.308-04:002013-08-22T11:00:23.308-04:00Since certainly fewer than a dozen people are regu...Since certainly fewer than a dozen people are regular commenters here, I'd say the majority of folks who read this blog -- however few they too may be -- that majority not only do not comment, but having dipped their toes into the comments sections once or twice in the past, probably do not even bother to read them anymore, sticking only to Somerby's posts instead.<br /><br />And who could blame them?<br /><br />lowercaseguy and David in CA are the longest-running, clearly-identifiable frequent posters: their comments are, in the former case borderline insane, and in the second case reliably low-information libertarian trolling.<br /><br />The next-most common form of comment here is of the variety that says Somerby's entire project is illegitimate, liberal-media apologetics effectively: "liberal" media shouldn't be critiqued in this way -- either because right-wing media is worse, "liberal" media is irrelevant anyway, "liberal" media really isn't liberal, etc.<br /><br />Though there are some voices of sanity here both leftish (deadrat) and rightish (CeceliaMc) -- there's no denying that insanity, trolling and apologetics characterize the greater part of what occurs beneath the fold.Guynonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-15794874175037908982013-08-22T09:00:42.951-04:002013-08-22T09:00:42.951-04:00Still hung up about the first two minutes and pars...Still hung up about the first two minutes and parsing every word of it just to find something you can twist into an argument you think you can win, and you just keep digging your hole deeper and deeper.<br /><br />The point of this piece was clearly expressed by Somerby himself: "Part 3 -- R-bombs is us."<br /><br />Regardless of whether you or Somerby personally approved of how she spent the first two minutes of a 15-minute segment, even there she didn't throw any R-bombs. She pointed out an incident, widely publicized in Winston-Salem, as the reason the local GOP <br /><br />Then she moved into a discussion about how there is a systematic effort underway to suppress voter turnout in the remaining Democratic strongholds in North Carolina, including college towns like Winston-Salem. She then spoke of the growing citizen protests across the state against the hard-right turn taken by the state legislature on several issues, including voting rights.<br /><br />You know what's really sad. Given all the blood that has been shed over voting rights -- from the Revolutionary War through the Civil Rights movement -- you would think this would be one issue that would transcend liberal/conservative labels. What could be more fundamental to a democracy than voting rights?<br /><br />But we don't want to go there, do we? That would mean actually discussing the substance of Maddows report.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-43067355418601055072013-08-22T01:13:28.621-04:002013-08-22T01:13:28.621-04:00Right, Anon10:52, that list is just so much more e...Right, Anon10:52, that list is just so much more expansive than "an entire press corps gone mad".<br /><br />CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-47877435007537976572013-08-22T01:12:17.515-04:002013-08-22T01:12:17.515-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-18714754009378122042013-08-22T00:58:48.570-04:002013-08-22T00:58:48.570-04:00No, Anon10:58pm, by suggesting that the Republican...No, Anon10:58pm, by suggesting that the Republicans "no longer support" Knox and that Knox "just lost the support of his local Republican Party", when there is no evidence that the local GOP ever supported him in the first place, Maddow is misleading her viewers. <br /><br />Support from a political party generally comes in the form of money and man-power.<br /><br />There is no evidence that Knox got either. There's no evidence that he was ever chosen, vetted, invited, or funded.<br /><br />The story of Knox and his racism has no logical tie-in with DNC strength in the area. Knox and his racism are not indicative of how low the party had to go in order to get a candidate, because Knox was never their choice in the first place.<br /><br />The story of Knox and his racism has no logical tie to voter suppression since turn-out in not a matter of concern in a virtually uncontested race.<br /><br />This was an opportunity to tell a tale about a Republican racist, without even the knowledge that the man is anyone more political than a local who might have a beef with the mayor.<br /><br />If Knox had merely been a drunk, Maddow would have never have mentioned this unconnected crank. <br /><br />However, the devolution of politics into racial and gender issue bomb-throwing made it much too compelling an opportunity for Maddow to pass up a story about a guy who had signed up to be the Republican candidate and then used the n-word.<br /><br />It's that devolution that was the point of this piece.<br /><br /><br /><br />CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-14661040675683664272013-08-21T22:58:06.642-04:002013-08-21T22:58:06.642-04:00So Cecelia, who then is Maddow saying is, your wor...So Cecelia, who then is Maddow saying is, your words, "representative of Republicans"?<br /><br />James Lee Knox? The Forsythe County Republican Party who not only publicly disavowed him but, his words, stabbed him in the back? Both? Or perhaps neither?<br /><br />Maybe she is just reporting what happened, and using that story to demonstrate how strong the Democratic Party is in areas where there is an effort to suppress voter turnout.<br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-60273302023499229402013-08-21T22:52:11.257-04:002013-08-21T22:52:11.257-04:00Oh my, they're everywhere, they're everywh...Oh my, they're everywhere, they're everywhere!<br /><br />So one headline is proof of "hyperbolic headline writers." And so on and so on.<br /><br />You have learned from your master well, grasshopper.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-46871642460747146392013-08-21T21:06:51.557-04:002013-08-21T21:06:51.557-04:00No, just the hyperbolic headline writers, selectiv...No, just the hyperbolic headline writers, selective story tellers, and people who type things like "is this supposed to bolster a case of an entire press corps gone mad?"CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-60759063687523796582013-08-21T20:47:50.424-04:002013-08-21T20:47:50.424-04:00The GOP in NC NEVER avowed Knox in the first place...The GOP in NC NEVER avowed Knox in the first place.<br /><br />That's why he's superfluous to her story in every way.CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-76215868701567102092013-08-21T20:44:42.924-04:002013-08-21T20:44:42.924-04:00"In no way, shape or form did she even hint t...<br />"In no way, shape or form did she even hint that he was "representative of Republicans." <br /><br /><br /><br />Oh,sure,Anon8:21.<br /><br />That's why she said this:<br /><br />The Forsythe County Republican Party has announced that they no longer support James Lee Knox in his bid to become the next mayor of Winston-Salem.CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-62618649313987724732013-08-21T20:21:56.359-04:002013-08-21T20:21:56.359-04:00Sigh.
Cecelia, you certainly would wear out the p...Sigh.<br /><br />Cecelia, you certainly would wear out the patience of Job.<br /><br />Maybe, maybe, just entertain this notion for a second, that Maddow found it "necessary" to bring up the n-word incident because THAT WAS THE REASON THE LOCAL GOP DISAVOWED HIM as documented in the local media.<br /><br />In no way, shape or form did she even hint that he was "representative of Republicans." Once again, she very quickly pointed out that the LOCAL GOP DISAVOWED HIM. How on earth could anybody possibly glean from that that she was trying to paint Knox as "representative of Republicans"?<br /><br />As for your hypothetical, I can think of no reason Maddow wouldn't have reported that the LOCAL GOP DISAVOWED HIM because he was the town drunk, and he was the only Republican candidate who would run for mayor. <br /><br />But then again, you'd be here saying that Maddow was really, realy saying that the town drunk was representative of Republicans.<br /><br />So Cecelia, since you can't get a single thing right about the first two minutes, do you have anything to say about the next 13? Or did you watch the segment at all? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-20435136386690937682013-08-21T19:47:52.709-04:002013-08-21T19:47:52.709-04:00Thanks, Anon7:07, you are correct.
Maddow knew th...Thanks, Anon7:07, you are correct.<br /><br />Maddow knew that Knox was not sought, vetted, or asked to run by the GOP. That he was only there on the ballot because he signed himself up. And she still felt it necessary to point out that he had used the n-word.<br /><br />Just the fact that the GOP hadn't found an official candidate would have been enough to communicate the fact that the town is Dem nominated.<br /><br />What's more, Knox' candidacy makes no statement about voter suppression, he's not an endorsed candidate, and his candidacy is no threat to the mayor.<br /><br />She merely wanted to tell the tale of a guy who uses the n-word signing onto the Republican ticket. She merely wanted to suggest that he is representative of Republicans.<br /><br />If he'd been the town drunk who'd spent three days drying out in jail, she'd have never bothered.CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-89474554408538958922013-08-21T19:23:10.511-04:002013-08-21T19:23:10.511-04:00Anon 6:32, you've yet to answer why Maddow nee...Anon 6:32, you've yet to answer why Maddow needed to lead off a story on Dem domination in parts of NC with a story about a local crackpot who had no connection with the local GOP.<br /><br />(pssstt..she was trying to link him to them.)<br /><br />You have not answered why this local crank's story should be told in order to support a change of voter suppression either. <br /><br />(pssst...Maddow is suggesting Knox is the typical GOP candidate and that's why they must suppress voters to win.)<br /><br />As to your other comments. You are as correct as usual. I'm a conservative. I"m only here to have my ears tickled about Al Gore, corporate malfeasance, the ill-treatment of the Clintons, the genesis of political tribalism via Fox News, and the scourge of various Republican pariahs.<br /><br />I'm so militant that I find criticism a political threat. that's why I'm here brainlessly tag-teaming Somerby with my fellow brain dead Somerby denouncers.<br /><br />You got me.CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-70812184976382868692013-08-21T19:07:28.768-04:002013-08-21T19:07:28.768-04:00"suggesting that Knox had been a chosen GOP c..."suggesting that Knox had been a chosen GOP candidate"?<br /><br />Cecelia, my dear child, Maddow said the exact opposite! She stated explicitly that nobody asked Knox to run, and the only reason he was the sole candidate on the GOP primary ballot is because they couldn't find any candidate at all to run for the office.<br /><br />And no, she didn't "link him to the local GOP." She was quite clear and quick in stating he was disavowed by "the local GOP." You'd know that if you actually watched the segment like you said you did.<br /><br />Now did she "need" Knox to make a point about Dem domination in Winston-Salem? I suppose not. She might have found another way to do it. But I think she did it quite effectively with Knox. For about two minutes, before moving on to the next 13.<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-31846055985477899652013-08-21T19:02:06.453-04:002013-08-21T19:02:06.453-04:00Well, then start making arguments rather than mere...Well, then start making arguments rather than mere contradictions, Anon.CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-77078176499740140182013-08-21T18:59:29.672-04:002013-08-21T18:59:29.672-04:00Anon 6:28, that's an interesting summation bec...Anon 6:28, that's an interesting summation because it agrees with Somerby's contention that Maddow was suggesting that Knox had been a chosen GOP candidate and had been avowed by the party before he used a racist epithet.<br /><br />None of that is true. <br /><br />Maddow didn't need Knox to make a point about the Dem domination in Winston-Salem and she didn't need him to make a point about voter suppression in a town where the mayor is essentially unchallenged.<br /><br />She told Knox' story in order to link him to the local GOP and with Republicans in general.CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-80540168646787727092013-08-21T18:35:51.898-04:002013-08-21T18:35:51.898-04:00Honest to God, Cecelia, you are the living example...Honest to God, Cecelia, you are the living example of that old Monty Python bit about the guy who paid to have an argument, and got only contradiction.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-6552497508441466502013-08-21T18:32:24.996-04:002013-08-21T18:32:24.996-04:00Oh and Cecilia, not only was it AN answer, but it ...Oh and Cecilia, not only was it AN answer, but it was THE answer as any fair viewing of the entire segment would demonstrate.<br /><br />You know, John Oliver said on the Daily Show last night that the Internet was the place people go to read opinions they already agree with.<br /><br />Is that why you are such a devoted fan of Somerby?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-16722465517582635722013-08-21T18:28:45.414-04:002013-08-21T18:28:45.414-04:00Uh, Cecelia? Are you really this dense?
OK, maybe...Uh, Cecelia? Are you really this dense?<br /><br />OK, maybe the 10th time it's been said is the charm.<br /><br />Knox's "tale of racism" (if you insist on continuing to focus on those few seconds of a 15-minute report) illustrates the point that the GOP in Winston-Salem would rather leave the ballot blank than to have this guy as their standard-bearer for mayor. And the "Dem domination" in that city is so secure that they can't find any other GOPer to run for mayor.<br /><br />Capiche?<br /><br />Now please, go watch the other 13 minutes of that report and comment on anything there. Are you able to since Bob hasn't given you his take on it yet? Because you sure are twisting yourself into a pretzel trying to avoid it.<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-15135665746327206582013-08-21T18:17:43.763-04:002013-08-21T18:17:43.763-04:00Cecelia, please.
The unfortunate headline doesn&#...Cecelia, please.<br /><br />The unfortunate headline doesn't "imply" what you says it implies. It directly states it.<br /><br />Please, before you throw around a word you love to throw around, at least know what it means.<br /><br />My complaint is that this is just another numbskull Walsh piece that probably got read two or three more times because of the link Somerby provided that really wasted the time it took for me to read it.<br /><br />And it leaves me with asking, "So what? Is this supposed to bolster a case of an entire press corps gone mad? Or is this just another case of Somerby going after the low-hanging fruit?"<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com