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That's their tribe. The US consulate was attacked under a Democratic president, in response to a video. The demands to assign blame to the correct tribe would mean constant denial of responsibility on one part, and not on the other. That's coming through as clear as day. Only half of that story is not their tribe -- Susan Rice and the Democratic suits -- the part involving the crude Muslim-phobic film of suspicious origins is therefore meaningless, it happened but it doesn't assign blame correctly. It's very simple why this belief came about, sheer vanity. One could speculate as to the US role in the film, but that would open up the deep state to investigation, something both parties, and therefore their corporate backers, are trained to not do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-52242472700955067752012-11-26T18:58:14.533-05:002012-11-26T18:58:14.533-05:00Donald -- I think that you mean "David" ...Donald -- I think that you mean "David" Gregory.<br /><br />I'm Anonymous @2:50 p.m. Thanks, Anonymous @ 4:07, for your reply. But I don't really follow it. I'll assume that you're right that Rice "is a known liar" -- I don't believe Mr. Somerby is demanding that she be "given the benefit of the doubt." He's only asking that the media accurately describe what she said, rather than distort it because Republicans are doing so.<br /><br />In other words, criticize Rice all you want for what she actually said or did, but it's not really productive to fabricate misconduct by her and then criticize her for that. In fact, that's the sort of thing that lets the media avoid focusing on actual misconduct. I would think that you (and Donald) would want the media to clarify that the criticism of Rice regarding Benghazi is without substance, and instead to report on real issues.<br /><br />JonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-47219869098505993652012-11-26T16:47:08.401-05:002012-11-26T16:47:08.401-05:00Darn. I might have to start signing my name. I sa...Darn. I might have to start signing my name. I said something similar to this upthread.-- "It must be said, first of all, that Rice is, demonstably, a liar and an equivocator, as is Obama -- the same, of course, being true of everyone in national public office, most of the time and, in some cases, all of the time (Mitt Romney)." <br /><br />So there are several of us anonymous folk here (or at least two) who are in agreement. Rice is a liar because that's what the job is about--the US is often on the wrong side of human rights issues and so any defense of our policies is likely to involve lying. But the Dick Gregorys of the world don't care about that--they only care about manufactured political controversies regarding issues that don't make any sense. <br /><br />DonaldAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-20142925014112095832012-11-26T16:42:19.227-05:002012-11-26T16:42:19.227-05:00I'm no fan of Susan Rice and I jumped on both ...I'm no fan of Susan Rice and I jumped on both her and Bob a week or two ago (she told some disgusting lies denying any evidence for Israeli war crimes in the 2009 Gaza War), but it is interesting how the MSM chooses what is important. In Rice's case they go after her when she probably wasn't lying, on an issue where it is hard to see any coherent way to attack her, because Republicans are doing it, and they ignore all the BS that any high-ranking American diplomat spouts as part of the job. Nobody in the MSM cares if Rice lies about actual consequential issues involving human rights. They only care about fake ginned up controversies.<br /><br />Again, I don't have much sympathy for Rice. It's how the media functions that is interesting and Bob is right about that. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-8174373260643364162012-11-26T16:07:17.022-05:002012-11-26T16:07:17.022-05:00Anon 2:50
The problem here is that when all the p...Anon 2:50<br /><br />The problem here is that when all the players are liars, it's impossible to assess exactly what Susan Rice was trying to do. We can't, as it were, give her the benefit of the doubt, because she's a known liar, and her presentation wasn't as ambiguous as TDH wishes it were, notwithstanding the for-profit excesses of our benighted press corps. These people need stories, after all, or they're out of business.<br /><br />Is the Obama administration capable of making claims it knows are false or misleading for political gain? Of course. It's done so, many times. That's what make this dispute so hard to adjudicate and, in the end, of so little interest.<br /><br />The fact that major TV media is both venal and incompetent (David Gregory, among others, has protested, for example, that the pre- and post-war coverage of the invasion of Iraq was simply sterling, no apology necessary) doesn't of itself make the charges about Rice false. Those claims certainly *could* be true, and her presentation was ambiguous enough to invite that charge.<br /><br />For this kind of analysis to work, we need some truth value in the argument. And, unfortunately, you can't go to either Rice or Obama for truth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-52001621720298839382012-11-26T14:50:55.031-05:002012-11-26T14:50:55.031-05:00I don't think that's what Mr. Somerby is a...I don't think that's what Mr. Somerby is arguing. He's merely making what should be a non-controversial point -- that if the media are going to report a story, they should do so accurately, rather than acquiescing in bogus political spin. Do you disagree with that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-75930133438994970232012-11-26T14:15:59.026-05:002012-11-26T14:15:59.026-05:00The problem here is that the Howler is arguing tha...The problem here is that the Howler is arguing that the media shouldn't hold Rice to account-- When Rice says that we have to wait for the FBI investigation to know what happened in Benghazi, then we just have to wait. Maybe forever. Or maybe just til after the November elections, because Rice certainly throws around the "T" word now when referring to Benghazi. <br /><br />Did she get some new talking points? Or was the Howler taken for a ride?<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-3976068644313079332012-11-26T14:01:58.712-05:002012-11-26T14:01:58.712-05:00Benghazi is in the Congo?Benghazi is in the Congo?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-12640791155907526132012-11-26T14:00:56.441-05:002012-11-26T14:00:56.441-05:00Mitt Romney is not in national public office, and ...Mitt Romney is not in national public office, and hasn't been for quite some time...<br /><br />Complaining about the coverage is about all we *can* do as private citizens to hold the media or politicians to account.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-61000929806369237992012-11-26T13:51:01.505-05:002012-11-26T13:51:01.505-05:00It must be said, first of all, that Rice is, demon...It must be said, first of all, that Rice is, demonstably, a liar and an equivocator, as is Obama -- the same, of course, being true of everyone in national public office, most of the time and, in some cases, all of the time (Mitt Romney).<br /><br />In that light, David Gregory isn't really partisan. He just goes where power goes and where noise goes. Republicans make no end of noise about Rice? Then follow the money.... Scott Brown makes no end of noise about a box Elizabeth Warren checked 30(?) years ago and that's Gregory's first question, on a televised debate -- who cares about global warming, life and death, wealth distribution, civil liberties, foreign policy, etc.<br /><br />The trouble here is, those who complain about the Rice coverage aren't holding the media, or politicians, to account for all their *actual* lies and equivocations.<br /><br />Which is why you won't find Chomsky commenting on the Rice matter, because it's no more than a side-show, when Rice is allowed to lie, wholesale, on a bi-partisan basis, about U.S. foreign policy, and you don't hear as a much as a bleep from either David Gregory or THD.<br /><br />So can one be pardoned, for losing interest?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-63183049261696207552012-11-26T13:17:20.346-05:002012-11-26T13:17:20.346-05:00Meanwhile, back at the ranch, McCain is sticking t...Meanwhile, back at the ranch, McCain is sticking to his guns.<br /><br />You know how it is in the Wild West; <br /><br />Shoot first and ask questions later.gravymeisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16075831177588700301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-49058012766121164862012-11-26T13:04:09.046-05:002012-11-26T13:04:09.046-05:00tears of rage...?tears of rage...?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-19107202648860218182012-11-26T12:50:47.063-05:002012-11-26T12:50:47.063-05:00The term "Manufactured Consent" was the ...The term "Manufactured Consent" was the exact one running through my head as I continued to see the press push a bogus story. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-68236146219801993022012-11-26T12:09:17.393-05:002012-11-26T12:09:17.393-05:00It's not the 90's. It's now.
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