tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post4783140756178295654..comments2024-03-28T12:21:11.379-04:00Comments on the daily howler: Some facts about Texas minority kids!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-1628711181554793642013-06-06T02:50:53.857-04:002013-06-06T02:50:53.857-04:00Good day! Do you know if they make any plugins
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I don't know where Bob explained al...@fairleft<br /><br />I don't know where Bob explained all that but, unlike The Howler, I'm willing to offer a correction, or at least a partial one.<br /><br />The crucial factor in SAT scores appears to be the participation rate. Some states are as low as 3%, while others near 100%. Obviously, the more kids who take the test, the lower the average scores will be.<br /><br />In the case of Texas, participation is fairly high -- it ranks 18th. So comparing Texas to states with higher scores but much lower participation is meaningless. For a true comparison, you would need 100% in all states.<br /><br />However, it's also important to note that Hispanics populations between states can't be usefully compared without noting the percentage of native English speakers, which appears to be somewhat higher in Texas than other states with large Spanish-speaking populations.<br /><br />In any event, the Texas SAT scores aren't as bad as they look, based on the higher than average participation rate in Texas.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-40743553236880991012012-06-12T01:28:50.554-04:002012-06-12T01:28:50.554-04:00The NAEP is the gold standard for comparing school...The NAEP is the gold standard for comparing school systems. The SAT is not but you've decided instead to focus on it. <br /><br />As Bob has explained, of course, you at least need to account for the vastly higher than average number of English as a Second Language students taking the SAT in Texas. And, as with the NAEP, another thing you should do to slightly repair interpretation of SAT scores is to compare ethnicity by ethnicity. Are, for example, Hispanics in Texas doing better or worse than Hispanics in Arizona or California? But, in the end, you have that excellent measure of schooling quality, the NAEP, why not just use that?fairlefthttp://my.firedoglake.com/fairleftnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-25942903939731306122012-06-12T01:06:15.612-04:002012-06-12T01:06:15.612-04:00If they do well on the NAEP, why don't more of...If they do well on the NAEP, why don't more of them go on and take the SAT? Why don't more of them go to college? Something is odd here, and it goes way beyond the inanity of Gail Collins and Rachel Maddow.TILhttp://til.xxxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-11120752072604467582012-06-11T19:24:59.042-04:002012-06-11T19:24:59.042-04:00Bob, isn't it time you admitted that you hate ...Bob, isn't it time you admitted that you hate Gail Collins because she's Irish?majnebnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-66250689030659974242012-06-11T17:35:31.757-04:002012-06-11T17:35:31.757-04:00Region: 10 County: DALLAS COUNTY District: RIC...Region: 10 County: DALLAS COUNTY District: RICHARDSON ISD (057916) Campus: ALL (ALL )<br /><br />Ethnicity<br /> <br /><br />Student Count<br />Black or African American 8,564<br />American / Indian or Alaska Native 128<br />Asian 2,544<br />Hispanic 14,329<br />Native Hawaiian/Other Pacific 43<br />Two or More Races 882<br />White 10,554 <br /><br />Region: 10 County: COLLIN COUNTY District: PLANO ISD (043910) Campus: ALL (ALL )<br /><br />Ethnicity<br /> <br /><br />Student Count<br />Black or African American 6,106<br />American / Indian or Alaska Native 179<br />Asian 11,363<br />Hispanic 12,223<br />Native Hawaiian/Other Pacific 41<br />Two or More Races 1,880<br />White 23,867 <br /><br />Region: 10 County: COLLIN COUNTY District: FRISCO ISD (043905) Campus: ALL (ALL )<br /><br />Ethnicity<br /> <br /><br />Student Count<br />Black or African American 4,219<br />American / Indian or Alaska Native 241<br />Asian 5,365<br />Hispanic 6,033<br />Native Hawaiian/Other Pacific 49<br />Two or More Races 1,081<br />White 23,135 <br /><br />Region: 10 County: COLLIN COUNTY District: ALLEN ISD (043901) Campus: ALL (ALL )<br /><br />Ethnicity<br /> <br /><br />Student Count<br />Black or African American 1,959<br />American / Indian or Alaska Native 118<br />Asian 2,627<br />Hispanic 2,596<br />Native Hawaiian/Other Pacific 66<br />Two or More Races 830<br />White 11,309Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-46364227556825207612012-06-11T17:28:16.263-04:002012-06-11T17:28:16.263-04:00SAT scores? If I recall correctly, SATs are only ...SAT scores? If I recall correctly, SATs are only given to college-bound High School seniors; how could they be any kind of accurate measure of how well Texas schools are doing in general, unless your only criterion is production of college-bound graduates at the end of the process? Meanwhile the NAEP is given to 4th and 8th graders, who seem to be doing quite well; so maybe one can conclude that Texas HIGH SCHOOLS stink, if anything can be concluded from SAT scores.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-85414505211109246532012-06-11T17:20:00.357-04:002012-06-11T17:20:00.357-04:00The statistic is accurate. You can get a report h...The statistic is accurate. You can get a report <a href="http://ritter.tea.state.tx.us/adhocrpt/adste.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.<br /><br />2011-2012 Student Enrollment<br />Totals by District for District: 057905<br />[ TEA Home Page ] [ Standard Reports Home Page ]<br /><br />Region: 10 County: DALLAS COUNTY District: DALLAS ISD (057905) Campus: ALL (ALL )<br /><br />Ethnicity<br /> <br /><br />Student Count<br />Black or African American 38,497<br />American / Indian or Alaska Native 636<br />Asian 1,758<br />Hispanic 108,318<br />Native Hawaiian/Other Pacific 172<br />Two or More Races 743<br />White 7,451 <br /><br />I don't have statistics, but probably most of the white kids do go to private schools (mostly religious academies, I'd guess); also there is a lot of "white flight" to the northern suburbs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-3767935159555662532012-06-11T16:27:33.794-04:002012-06-11T16:27:33.794-04:00@Camcambo:
I don't believe these figures are ...@Camcambo:<br /><br />I don't believe these figures are as current as they might be, but according to the Texas State Controller, Texas is #49 in verbal SAT scores in the nation (493) and #46 in average math SAT scores (502). <br /><br />If this is "kicking the keister" of the rest of the nation, what does failure look like?<br /><br />Now, maybe there's an explanation for these numbers, and that Bob is right after all: Texas is doing significantly better than the national average, despite these dismal, rock-bottom numbers. <br /><br />As for Collins', we (and Bob Somerby) have no way of knowing what she looked at in Texas, because nobody's read her book. In fairness, one would be surprised to find she did commendable job, but one also have hoped that a post of several hundred words devoted to revealing what a clown Collins is, based on her claims about Texas, would at least attempt establish the actual results in Texas.<br /><br />Of course, when the first priority is going after Collins, yet again, such inconveniences tend not to get in the way at The Daily Howler.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-30325441255542209242012-06-11T15:16:50.811-04:002012-06-11T15:16:50.811-04:00Anonymous @ 12:25
Wouldn't the burden be on C...Anonymous @ 12:25<br /><br />Wouldn't the burden be on Collins to reconcile the good NAEP scores with her preferred narrative that education in Texas is a total disaster?<br /><br />(Oh, and seven points is significant on the NAEP, as Somerby points out. It's not "slightly above average.")<br /><br />(Oh, and one other thing: most of the questions in your second paragraph can by answered by following the link to the NAEP Data Explorer that Bob so thoughtfully provided you with.)cacambonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-81600484992566257922012-06-11T14:57:08.516-04:002012-06-11T14:57:08.516-04:00@Matt in the Crown
It it takes a troll to want to...@Matt in the Crown<br /><br />It it takes a troll to want to know the actual facts of the matter, as opposed to whether someone is an idiot or a moron in the view of The Daily Howler, then there are probably more than few trolls hanging about.<br /><br />But you can congratulate yourself for not being one of them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-31126459534235891412012-06-11T14:03:13.013-04:002012-06-11T14:03:13.013-04:00In Chicago the percentage of Caucasian kids is 9%....In Chicago the percentage of Caucasian kids is 9%. Does this make the Dallas Houston numbers look any different?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-81769461885950305812012-06-11T13:37:56.980-04:002012-06-11T13:37:56.980-04:00We confess, we don't know anything about the T...<i><b>We confess, we don't know anything about the Texas school system or the NAEP and can't answer any of these questions.</b></i><br /><br />Or anything else, outside of how to troll blog comment sections.Matt in the Crownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02083162679471045642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-32742644043900613552012-06-11T12:32:01.332-04:002012-06-11T12:32:01.332-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.CMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481861530761114492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-81844542689903334572012-06-11T12:25:04.820-04:002012-06-11T12:25:04.820-04:00We read this post and our analysts confess to puzz...We read this post and our analysts confess to puzzlement. (True, there's only one of us but, like Bob, we're partial to the royal "we".)<br /><br />How good or bad *are* Texas schools? What do slightly above average results on one math test, administered to one grade, mean? How useful are state-to-state comparisons anyway? What kind of populations are being compared? What percentage of children in any even system, regardless of race or ethnicity, are native English speakers?<br /><br />*Do* Texas high-school children perform poorly on SATs? If so, do poor scores indicate that SATs are of little or no value in assessing academic performance, because a test administered to the eighth grade is, in the view of some, the "gold standard" and the best overall measure of the success of a school system, in which case, Texas is slightly above average?<br /><br />We confess, we don't know anything about the Texas school system or the NAEP and can't answer any of these questions. <br /><br />We further confess that we didn't learn anything about it here. <br /><br />What we did learn is that Gail Collins is an idiot, in case we might have missed any of the previous thousand posts on that very vital subject.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-51801028374043820832012-06-11T11:41:00.175-04:002012-06-11T11:41:00.175-04:00I know this isn't really the point of the post...I know this isn't really the point of the post, but holy moley! Only 4 percent of students in the Dallas school system are Anglo? How is that possible?<br /><br />Do all the white kids go to private schools? Have white families all moved out of the Dallas school district? That statistic begs for an explanation.Quaker in a Basementnoreply@blogger.com