tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post4872374044398056801..comments2024-03-28T12:25:01.094-04:00Comments on the daily howler: First Niall Ferguson, then Bob Shrum!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-33853766811904311232012-08-24T08:06:40.107-04:002012-08-24T08:06:40.107-04:00So, DaivdinCal, you don't care that Ferguson w...So, DaivdinCal, you don't care that Ferguson was being intentionally misleading? That he was trying to convince his readers of something untrue?<br /><br />You think his "defense" refutes that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-3648373879152869062012-08-24T08:05:03.347-04:002012-08-24T08:05:03.347-04:00+1!+1!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-80031520326020356612012-08-24T06:50:31.289-04:002012-08-24T06:50:31.289-04:00I love to read your blog.What kind of blog you to ...I love to read your blog.What kind of blog you to read?<br /><br /><a href="http://www.tencosmetics.pl/tc/ten-na-beauty-forum,110.html" rel="nofollow">mezoterapia bezigłowa</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04243294770488794697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-22546425553415132052012-08-24T00:59:07.571-04:002012-08-24T00:59:07.571-04:00"Second, they claim to be engaged in “fact ch..."Second, they claim to be engaged in “fact checking,” whereas in nearly all cases they are merely offering alternative (often silly or skewed) interpretations of the facts."<br /><br />It is not the facts he used that were wrong. It was that he strongly suggested something that wasn't true. There is a difference between lying and dishonesty.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-91586590986311785002012-08-23T23:50:56.524-04:002012-08-23T23:50:56.524-04:00I hadn't seen Newsweek for a long time before ...I hadn't seen Newsweek for a long time before I picked up a copy the other day.<br /><br />Is it still a magazine? Talk about dumbed-down. It makes Parade Magazine look like the New York Review of Books.<br /><br />No copy to speak of, 50-word-long articles, graphics that look just like advertisements (what a coink-i-dink), border lines everywhere, and it must have been about 40 pages long total.<br /><br />It's a joke.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-26538474432368928902012-08-23T22:30:00.824-04:002012-08-23T22:30:00.824-04:00David in Cal: Well I geuss that settles it.David in Cal: Well I geuss that settles it.Rosenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-59553560277848902012-08-23T22:06:26.548-04:002012-08-23T22:06:26.548-04:00Dr. Ferguson has a detailed, point-by-point defens...Dr. Ferguson has a detailed, point-by-point defense of his article at http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/08/21/niall-ferguson-defends-newsweek-cover-correct-this-bloggers.html<br /><br />It begins:<br /><br /><i>My critics have three things in common. First, they wholly fail to respond to the central arguments of the piece. Second, they claim to be engaged in “fact checking,” whereas in nearly all cases they are merely offering alternative (often silly or skewed) interpretations of the facts. Third, they adopt a tone of outrage that would be appropriate only if I had argued that, say, women’s bodies can somehow prevent pregnancies in case of “legitimate rape.”</i>David in Calnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-80899564770719575282012-08-23T17:59:53.691-04:002012-08-23T17:59:53.691-04:00Is it possible that editors of some of our most hi...Is it possible that editors of some of our most highly thought of news sources are in on the game of spreading disinformation for the purpose of causing confusion?gcwallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07990785263482839943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-47737843646046019392012-08-23T17:41:01.000-04:002012-08-23T17:41:01.000-04:00Like gravymeister, I immediately thought of editor...Like gravymeister, I immediately thought of editors and fact-checking. Shrum and Ferguson could have used both. Not that I'm sure either wanted to be rescued from their own errors in these pieces, though I must admit I hold a man with a Ph.D. in History more responsible for his own fact-checking than I do a political operative like Shrum, who doesn't claim to be a scholar.<br /><br />But let's assume that most reporters and writers of opinion columns do want their arguments to rest on secure facts (which isn't enough to make those arguments sound, but it's a beginning). Would be nice if major journalistic publications provided professional editing. mchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-86257867621747379792012-08-23T16:38:59.421-04:002012-08-23T16:38:59.421-04:00It looks like Paul slipped one through on Bob.
The...It looks like Paul slipped one through on Bob.<br />The last sentence in his earlier column that Krugman links to is;<br /><br />"The Times would require an abject correction if something like that slipped through. Will Newsweek?"gravymeisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16075831177588700301noreply@blogger.com