tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post5095195863166034854..comments2024-03-29T06:44:19.414-04:00Comments on the daily howler: Human discernment being rolled back!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger141125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-72508529016691912192023-04-03T12:43:27.025-04:002023-04-03T12:43:27.025-04:0011:01 is correct, people are finding that Somerby’...11:01 is correct, people are finding that Somerby’s posts are pretty much the exact opposite of reality. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-64696661233770216022023-04-03T12:41:01.075-04:002023-04-03T12:41:01.075-04:00What’s clear, Hector, is that you are obsessed wit...What’s clear, Hector, is that you are obsessed with trying to win a debate, and that blinds you to the obvious cynicism and toxicity of Somerby’s blog. <br /><br />While your understanding of the concept of ideology is shaky at best, your obsession with dominance is the definition of right wing. <br /><br />Somerby’s goal is to manufacture ignorance; with you, he may be succeeding, but in general his efforts are a colossal failure. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-67522595617712347172023-04-03T10:21:57.245-04:002023-04-03T10:21:57.245-04:00Cool story.Cool story.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-2881443194904877242023-04-03T07:49:05.068-04:002023-04-03T07:49:05.068-04:00Every magat accusation is a confession. Just beca...Every magat accusation is a confession. Just because that is what you would do, don't assume everyone is as corrupt as you.<br /><br />Just the fact that you would believe that a huge batch of votes can just materialize without any trace of a chain of custody and completely unconnected to true valid registered voters shows what a damn fool you are, Mao.<br /><br />7 million votes, Mao. Deal with it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-10777368693508368702023-04-03T07:19:26.474-04:002023-04-03T07:19:26.474-04:00Maddow comes across as so hollow and fake. She com...Maddow comes across as so hollow and fake. She comes across like she's pretty much dying inside.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-59005722129927804582023-04-03T02:46:50.058-04:002023-04-03T02:46:50.058-04:00Anything could be reported at the aggregate level,...Anything could be reported at the aggregate level, dear Hector. Anything. And yet somehow only one ballot-dump was, in that Wisconsin chart.<br /><br />Consequently, at least by our lights, the Wisconsin chart is perfectly legitimate circumstantial evidence of fraud, all dembot bullshit notwithstanding. <br /><br />...true, it's not much by itself. But in conjunction with a million other facts and circumstances (that you could read in the above-linked page) pointing into the same direction, it speaks volumes.<br /><br />...if you prefer to ignore all that, fine, that's your choice. Just don't make a fool of yourself demanding the evidence...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-89610750885298455632023-04-02T23:01:12.223-04:002023-04-02T23:01:12.223-04:00People are finding the more or less exact opposite...People are finding the more or less exact opposite.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-67465506299865794472023-04-02T20:02:08.322-04:002023-04-02T20:02:08.322-04:00And just for the record, another factor contributi...And just for the record, another factor contributing to spikes were the huge number of mail-in ballots, which could also be reported at the aggregate level.Hectornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-59534852355557366112023-04-02T17:04:52.608-04:002023-04-02T17:04:52.608-04:00It’s doubtful Bob could gage how sympathetic
he a...It’s doubtful Bob could gage how sympathetic <br />he actually is to Trump, though his insanity defense stuff, in terms of pure silliness, is pretty galling. Hatred is more powerful than love, <br />gloats Roger Stone, and Bob is mostly guided <br />by the distain he holds for those he earmarks<br />as good, decent people. He would rather <br />Trump successfully appoint himself dictator <br />for life than admit Nicole Wallace got <br />something correct. <br /> Again, let us hope he gets the<br />help he needs. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-40912925292175358922023-04-02T16:54:39.294-04:002023-04-02T16:54:39.294-04:00Hector, Right wingers disparage CNN as “the Clinto...Hector, Right wingers disparage CNN as “the Clinton News Network” yet to anyone paying attention the notion that CNN ( along with the Times and the WP) have been fair or generous to the Clintons is laughable. They can only be described as “Blue” because unllke Fox they would not see January 6 as a peaceful walking tour. So your judgement on ideologies is pretty laughable. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-67709212931296638442023-04-02T16:52:52.641-04:002023-04-02T16:52:52.641-04:00And yet you do not explain...And yet you do not explain...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-71954790564346918392023-04-02T16:46:26.929-04:002023-04-02T16:46:26.929-04:00'"Your idea that there is some sort of &q...'"Your idea that there is some sort of "individual truth" strikes me as bizarre, but I don't actually know what you mean by it."'<br /><br />Yes.Hectornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-83016435487841263742023-04-02T16:39:27.050-04:002023-04-02T16:39:27.050-04:00Mao,
your lack of understanding beautifully illus...Mao,<br /><br />your lack of understanding beautifully illustrates the problem with people opining on election data who don't understand how elections work.<br /><br />Yes, precincts hand in their votes at the precinct level. So if a big precinct gives its totals to whoever is centrally tabulating the votes, then there will be a spike if the precinct is heavily Democratic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-48250596056410557072023-04-02T16:35:15.340-04:002023-04-02T16:35:15.340-04:00You are reading a lot about me into a comment I ma...You are reading a lot about me into a comment I made about how Somerby reveals himself in his posts.<br /><br />You don't disagree with Somerby. He doesn't upset you because you are OK with the often bigoted things he says. I don't have any bitterness about Somerby or Joni Mitchell or Rachel Maddow. I do have concerns about a man who (1) claims to be liberal but is manifestly not, (2) defends Roy Moore and gushes over preteen girls, (3) defends Trump as being mentally ill when the personality disorders attributed to Trump are not part of any diagnosable illness but are considered ways of relating to the world, (4) is slippery as an eel when it comes to what he himself believes, while promoting right wing memes and talking points.<br /><br />You call me bitter because I said that Somerby reveals things about himself when he posts. We all do that, but I didn't pathologize Somerby. I didn't say he was mentally ill or crazy, the way he has done with Trump. I said he dislikes women (which is obvious from his posts) and that he didn't say anything fond about his mother today, which is obvious from his essay itself. Perhaps you are upset about what I wrote because it causes you to see Somerby a little differently. That might be a good thing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-21805947105808194712023-04-02T16:24:54.684-04:002023-04-02T16:24:54.684-04:00I think it is a horrible thing that a news station...I think it is a horrible thing that a news stations dedicated itself to promoting the interests of conservatives (Republicans). The mainstream media did not do the same with liberals (Democrats), as right-wingers keep claiming (largely on the basis that anyone not conservative is automatically liberal). No one thinks of the mainstream media as blue. <br /><br />You do not get to define words in your own personal idiosyncratic way. That makes it hard to communicate with others. <br /><br />Reality exists independent of people's knowledge of it. Truth is what corresponds most closely to reality. One party, Democrats, as part of their ideology, considers it an important value to know and adhere to truth/reality as closely as possible. The other party, Republicans, considers truth to be relative and defines truth in whatever way promotes its interests. Democrats tend to call that lying when the information promoted by Republicans is either deliberately different than known truth or contradicts reality in obvious ways. Republicans tend to use misinformation and disinformation wantonly to suit their own desires. That is not truth-seeking and I think it gets people in trouble because they get confused about what is real. Reality doesn't care what people believe about it, but being out-of-step with reality can lead to serious problems in life. It is also part of the definition of mental illness (for what that's worth). <br /><br />Your idea that there is some sort of "individual truth" strikes me as bizarre, but I don't actually know what you mean by it. <br /><br />I prefer an ideology that values truth and the search for knowledge. Truth is not a person or party or any concrete thing in the world, but a concept:<br /><br />truth definition: "that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality"<br /><br />I think you are babbling and not using ideas or words the way most people do, which makes it hard to discuss this with you. I think conservatives tend to do that a lot, which is why I suspect that you are a conservative troll.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-38285070070619793602023-04-02T16:13:08.075-04:002023-04-02T16:13:08.075-04:00Anonymouse 1:54pm, I “confess” that I don’t have a...Anonymouse 1:54pm, I “confess” that I don’t have a clue as to your thinking other than it’s motivated by a desire to label Somerby misogynistic, but now, I think it may be something more. <br /><br />That anyone might have all sorts of conflicting feelings about their mother is not out of the ordinary. You’ve taken this subject up in a way that is really personal and disturbing and filled with personal bitterness and pique that puzzling and discomforting to read in a way that Bob is entirely not. <br /><br /><br />Ceceliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15162272807640653299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-62199839582985156662023-04-02T16:11:48.391-04:002023-04-02T16:11:48.391-04:003:59,
I love you too.
Yes, political parties nee...3:59,<br /><br />I love you too.<br /><br />Yes, political parties need platforms, and if you want to attribute ideologies to them also, fine. <br /><br />But what about ideology and the media. Is it a good thing the 3 biggest cable news channels are clearly identifiable is either blue or red? <br /><br />That's the phenomenon I am commenting on when I use the term, 'ideology'. A set of preconceptions the tribalists bring to a given situation, and I think it harmful because it obscures individual truth.<br /><br />Does truth have an ideology?Hectornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-2758272128620191612023-04-02T15:59:04.190-04:002023-04-02T15:59:04.190-04:00That may be what Somerby thinks he is attacking, b...That may be what Somerby thinks he is attacking, but it is not what he actually attacks. You would see that if you were as unbiased as you claim. Somerby himself makes huge critical thinking gaffes. <br /><br />Politics is a team sport for politicians and political workers, but it is not such a sport for voters. Many are not even guided by ideology (such as most Independents. Trump voters certainly don't care about ideology either. <br /><br />On the left, because there IS ideology, the ideology sometimes guides reactions. Somerby calls that script or narrative, but it is actually shared belief in a party platform, ideals, goals, values. On the right, there are buzzwords used by politicians to signal to their voters that they are on their side, but I don't believe any of them articulate anything like a platform. Trump had none in 2020, nor did the Republican Party. <br /><br />The point of having an organized political party is to advance those shared goals, programs, policies. I see nothing wrong with that. I do not understand why Somerby would either.<br /><br />ideology definition: "a system of ideas and ideals, especially one which forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy"<br /><br />Redefining ideology as something bad, undesirable or machine-like is a corruption of what the word means. People have ideas and ideals, not computers (which follow instructions only and do not think the way people do). This strikes me as yet another right-wing attempt to redefine some inherent human trait as something bad so that conservatives can claim Democrats are bad people.<br /><br />Hector, I do not believe for a minute that you are unbiased or skeptical or any kind of critical thinker. You have shown no evidence of that here. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-68569685947464706592023-04-02T15:46:04.619-04:002023-04-02T15:46:04.619-04:00If a predominantly red district's results come...If a predominantly red district's results come in, then there is a spike for Republicans, and vice versa for blue districts. I don't see the problem. This has been happening forever, long before voting machines and TV projections. In CA, for example, you get a Democratic spike when Los Angeles is counted, and a Republican spike for Santa Barbara, Orange County or San Bernardino County, which have been red areas. It isn't who is controlling the polling stations but who the preponderance of the votes are coming from.<br /><br />It is stupid to look at those graphs and not understand the dynamics of what happens during elections. Trump's own stupidity is why he thought that his huge lead in the beginning, when the Republican absentee votes are counted, would hold up when numbers for working people voting in person came in. Stupidity isn't evidence of voter fraud.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-68813044264134847962023-04-02T15:39:27.500-04:002023-04-02T15:39:27.500-04:00I don't know about the distinguished others th...I don't know about the distinguished others that were named, but I indeed have no ideology. I evaluate problems and political situations on their individual merits. It's called critical thinking.<br /><br />It is ideology that blinds people to the specifics of a given situation. This is what Somerby attacks, for the most part. Against politics being a team sport: our script v. their script, our ideology v. their ideology.<br /><br />Ideology is a kind of artifical intelligence.Hectornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-45110847180614328482023-04-02T15:32:52.746-04:002023-04-02T15:32:52.746-04:0010:46….,Get real. It’s arguable that Bob is not tr...10:46….,Get real. It’s arguable that Bob is not trying to create sympathy for Trump( though it’s a tough argument), <br />He is certainly trying to help him skirt<br />responsibility. His actions by implying<br />he is mentally ill. He is not suggested<br />He is mentally I’ll so we will work <br />harder to get him under control. <br />It is your posistion that is totally<br />absurd on the face of it. If we<br />continue to get him into Court, <br />the limitations of the nutball <br />Defense will become apparent. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-90899056861977424152023-04-02T15:28:49.491-04:002023-04-02T15:28:49.491-04:00The WI spike was when absentee votes were recorded...The WI spike was when absentee votes were recorded, which always lean Dem. These spikes happen every election. <br /><br />No doubt there’s fraud in our elections: corporate donations, gerrymandering, voter suppression, etc. but it almost exclusively comes from Republicans, who are merely doing the bidding of the wealthy elite and those intent on fascism. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-50084155432274945382023-04-02T15:20:17.909-04:002023-04-02T15:20:17.909-04:00It’s cringey when Somerby misuses Frost or Dylan o...It’s cringey when Somerby misuses Frost or Dylan or Haggard or Mitchell, it’s little better than Reagan blasting Born in the USA at his rallies; having said that, I’m not sure Joni Mitchell is a good person, and even though I’m a huge late 60s and 70s music fan - I love everything from rock to disco, funk to fusion - Joni Mitchell’s music sucks, it’s really bad. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-29864914730987270112023-04-02T15:12:37.454-04:002023-04-02T15:12:37.454-04:00Often Somerby says Trump or some other right winge...Often Somerby says Trump or some other right winger actually makes a decent point - about health ins deductibles, or exposing kids to the realities of gender; it’s only when Trump does or says something beyond the pale that Somerby trots out his mental illness nonsense.<br /><br />Somerby tries to make Trump and the Republicans more palatable to an audience he hopes is malleable and open to getting conned; likely at the behest of the same minders Trump has. <br /><br />Somerby deserves all the derision he receives since he spent most of his early blog career courting liberals and progressives; that’s who gave him a good reputation early on. Now he has turned his back on those that are responsible for his platform, as he has become a tool for right wingers. <br /><br />On the Left, we understand one doesn’t get to the dark place Somerby and his fanboys are at without suffering from nasty trauma, likely in childhood, thus it is so rooted as to prohibit resolution. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-78158284818436141412023-04-02T14:59:43.802-04:002023-04-02T14:59:43.802-04:00Here's a Biden spike for you.
Of course the e...Here's <a href="https://www.boomlive.in/h-upload/2020/11/05/933685-2020110600-wisconsin.webp" rel="nofollow">a Biden spike</a> for you.<br /><br />Of course the establishment "fact-checkers" will quickly come up with an explanation why this is perfectly normal, but alas most ordinary people are unlikely to be convinced... Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com