tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post5453136246387724119..comments2024-03-29T02:22:59.827-04:00Comments on the daily howler: CANDIDATE RYAN’S SONS AND DAUGHTERS: The coverage starts!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-1733769675769676612012-08-14T22:24:48.334-04:002012-08-14T22:24:48.334-04:00My God. Now if Michelle references dressage, it is...My God. Now if Michelle references dressage, it is officially the end of times. Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288008924419574934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-28892943124334536532012-08-14T20:57:14.265-04:002012-08-14T20:57:14.265-04:00He IS that scary because much of the increased spe...He IS that scary because much of the increased spending will be hogged by defense while safety net programs like food stamps and Medicaid will be cut as income taxes are raised on lower income households. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-70242077731430101912012-08-14T19:16:49.321-04:002012-08-14T19:16:49.321-04:00It's the other side of "Ryan doesn't ...It's the other side of "Ryan doesn't really balance the budget" that's going to be the problem in the demonization of Ryan - under his plan, spending still goes up, just slower. He's not that scary, in other words.ABLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-36921587044991853102012-08-14T18:46:19.478-04:002012-08-14T18:46:19.478-04:00If it wasn't so calculated, I'd call it ma...If it wasn't so calculated, I'd call it madness.CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-22409339461569401642012-08-14T18:36:58.317-04:002012-08-14T18:36:58.317-04:00I didn't say Ryan was dumb. I don't think ...I didn't say Ryan was dumb. I don't think he's dumb.<br /><br />I think he's smart. Too smart for "my side" to deal with most of the time.<br /><br />He knows who and what he's working for.<br /><br />If I think he's working against the interests of 99.9% of Americans, is that the same as calling him dastardly? If the shoe fits... Ryan will probably kick us with it.<br /><br />If I think he's misrepresenting who and what he's working for -- then yeah, I am calling him insincere. No apology. <br /><br />If Ryan says he's a deficit cutter - I have two things to say 1) You've got the wrong prescription for the times we're in and 2) I don't believe you anyway, based on your record and your fake "budgets."<br /><br />So definitely, he's wrong.<br /><br />He's also insincere. That's my NICE way of talking about Paul Ryan. Don't get a drink in me!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-20726247830867440902012-08-14T16:37:13.043-04:002012-08-14T16:37:13.043-04:00Bob, Bob, Bob...didn't you read the explanatio...Bob, Bob, Bob...didn't you read the explanation in either the NYT or WaPo that "fiscally conservative" Ryan was a neophyte Republican House member showing party loyalty when he voted for the Medicare expansion law? He's all grown up now, his own man in charge of his destiny, taking full ownership of his Path to Prosperity to be attained by cutting everything but defense while raising taxes on lower income households. We can't afford to keep funding public health care, education, and food stamps at current levels, but we'll make sure we've got plenty of money for foreign military ventures. Disgusting, just disgusting, and unfortunately a fair number of voters are too blondes by their hatred of Obama to pay careful attention to a harmful agenda crafted by Ryan and his paymasters who will fill Romney's campaign coffers to show their appreciation for his veep choice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-86712825676937181482012-08-14T16:27:07.440-04:002012-08-14T16:27:07.440-04:00How have you surmised what I think about Ryan'...How have you surmised what I think about Ryan's past vote on the Medicare drug benefit from my post? <br /><br />The same way you deemed that other poster to be a bigot? Because you're a troll.CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-68653717062696092342012-08-14T15:58:35.961-04:002012-08-14T15:58:35.961-04:00You, like Somerby, are reading way too much into a...You, like Somerby, are reading way too much into a single sentence written by a single pundit to bring out the same broad brush you've been painting with for 12 years.<br /><br />But that's the way of Chief Somerby and his tribe of Bobinistas. Complain about the OTHER guy parsing words and focusing on triva. Then prove your case by parsing words and focusing on trivia.<br /><br />Yes, OK, the press pack was very mean to Gore throughout the campaign, but ESPECIALLY mean during October, when about all they could talk about was Gore's lies and sighs.<br /><br />Does that help?<br /><br />Now can we actually talk about the election we are facing THIS YEAR? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-27235218781249618062012-08-14T15:36:33.860-04:002012-08-14T15:36:33.860-04:00Never mind all of this:
Breaking News.
Gail Coll...Never mind all of this:<br /><br />Breaking News.<br /><br />Gail Collins wins. Obama references Seamus, indirectly.<br /><br />http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/08/obama-hits-romney-on-seamus-132081.html<br /><br />OSKALOOSA, Iowa -- President Obama strayed from his prepared remarks here Tuesday to get in a jab at Mitt Romney's famous dog-on-top-of-car moment.<br /><br />Noting that the Republican candidate has criticized wind energy, saying a windmill can't be put on top of a car to power it, Obama had a zinger.<br /><br />"I don't know if he's actually tried that," Obama said. "I know he's had other things on his car."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-53546826626874729052012-08-14T15:33:33.360-04:002012-08-14T15:33:33.360-04:00The last posters point, Ceceila, Is that opinions ...The last posters point, Ceceila, Is that opinions don't really matter and that Ryan must run on his record as a guy who seemed quite happy to vote for deficit creating measures when his party was in power. However you and the media you pretend to dislike would have it otherwise, this is the truth. Recent posts have suggested you are quite the little objectivist yourself, it's probably time you came clean.Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288008924419574934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-29645597398693941552012-08-14T15:15:33.603-04:002012-08-14T15:15:33.603-04:00Is it possible to believe that people who we don&#...Is it possible to believe that people who we don't agree with are not insincere, dastardly, or dumb. Can they just be ...wrong?CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-63998375668383493412012-08-14T15:05:40.975-04:002012-08-14T15:05:40.975-04:00"There was nothing "sudden" about t..."There was nothing "sudden" about the coverage of Gore in October 2000 at all."<br /><br />"No, but, [yes.]<br /><br />No, just no. <br /><br />Chait is wrong about this. <br /><br />And wrong in a way which hides the truth about the campaign coverage rather than illuminates it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-49435793264689348162012-08-14T12:29:58.651-04:002012-08-14T12:29:58.651-04:00No, but there certainly was something sudden about...No, but there certainly was something sudden about how they doubled down, stomped on the gas pedal with it, whatever cliche you want to use in October 2000.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-43761432067499328432012-08-14T11:37:36.014-04:002012-08-14T11:37:36.014-04:00And IMHO Ryan looks awfully decpetive and insincer...And IMHO Ryan looks awfully decpetive and insincere, even when compared to the low standard set by most other elected officials.<br /><br />So there's your HO and my HO. Big deal. That's what opinions are worth.<br /><br />Having paid some attention to his budget proposals, I am aware that on the facts Ryan is pretty goddamn deceptive and insincere, so there's also that. <br /><br />It's not just a Platonic ideal ideal he's up against. The man claims to be a sincere deficit cutter. And, on the facts of his proposals, he's just a flat-out bullsh!t artist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-79127262268444107182012-08-14T11:16:53.983-04:002012-08-14T11:16:53.983-04:00Ryan may not be perfectly smart and sincere in com...Ryan may not be perfectly smart and sincere in comparison to some Platonic ideal, but IMHO he looks great when compared to the standard set by most other elected officials.David in Calnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-78577327521921227112012-08-14T10:54:59.362-04:002012-08-14T10:54:59.362-04:00Ryan is smart, bold, serious.
It must be true, ...Ryan is smart, bold, serious. <br /><br />It must be true, even his detractors say it.<br /><br />I'll believe he's bold when he dynamites a federally funded building because it didn't follow the design he voted for.<br /><br />Until then, he's all hat and no cattle. gravymeisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16075831177588700301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-74480775710444886882012-08-14T10:24:59.569-04:002012-08-14T10:24:59.569-04:00It's definitely the "suddenly decided&quo...It's definitely the "suddenly decided" which is the bullshit claim Bob's talking about. And it's definitely a bullshit claim.<br /><br />There was nothing "sudden" about the coverage of Gore in October 2000 at all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-69854668735086539212012-08-14T10:21:32.145-04:002012-08-14T10:21:32.145-04:00That should read: "I hope Bob isn't readi...That should read: "I hope Bob isn't reading into that to mean that his "War on Gore didn't start UNTIL October 2000."<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-30660297247275079012012-08-14T10:20:26.082-04:002012-08-14T10:20:26.082-04:00I hope Bob isn't reading that to mean that his...I hope Bob isn't reading that to mean that his "War on Gore" didn't start in October 2000, because the last month of that campaign were certainly dominated by an endless examination of Gore's "lies."<br /><br />This is why, instead of an examination of the Bush tax plan after Gore in the first debate, warned that it didn't add up, we got instead a deep look into whether that girl in Florida was still standing in her classroom.<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-71648184930376204172012-08-14T09:45:14.211-04:002012-08-14T09:45:14.211-04:00For those who won't bother:
Chait: "The ...For those who won't bother:<br /><br />Chait: "The press pack suddenly decided in October of 2000 that Al Gore’s lies were the story of the race."<br /><br />It's not the main point of this post, and it will make the Somerby-can't-get-over-Gore whiners cry, but it does show how very little self-reflection most of our liberal heroes are capable of, and how very little they expect to be called on it.<br /><br />And that does tie in very well with the the theme of the post and Joe Nocera's evident fecklessness. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com