tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post5523619953485852249..comments2024-03-28T20:22:57.444-04:00Comments on the daily howler: THURSDAY: Senate Democrats lose again!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-82542251317804456662022-05-13T18:53:39.510-04:002022-05-13T18:53:39.510-04:00David, aside from you not understanding the Consti...David, aside from you not understanding the Constitution and the various amendments (the 9th for example), where to draw the line for abortion is not that difficult. Two concepts cover that ground: sentience and viability. <br /><br />On a more spiritual level, abortion is humane, just like euthanasia is. Opposition to these vital tools of humanity is sick and cruel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-64874788851675849712022-05-13T18:46:43.505-04:002022-05-13T18:46:43.505-04:00Mao can't go to the bathroom unless congress p...Mao can't go to the bathroom unless congress passes a law specifying that right. <br /><br />Who you trying to con, kid?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-89224072847341207062022-05-13T18:36:31.513-04:002022-05-13T18:36:31.513-04:00most popular name for a car: posmost popular name for a car: posAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-91253611761809946672022-05-13T13:27:20.042-04:002022-05-13T13:27:20.042-04:00"From a legal POV, the Constitution specifies..."From a legal POV, the Constitution specifies that blacks have voting rights..."<br /><br />Holy Stacey Abrams, David. Why do you support the Republican party again?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-35498074969301153732022-05-13T12:43:34.698-04:002022-05-13T12:43:34.698-04:00Oh dear. Mao is contrasting Republicans with thin...Oh dear. Mao is contrasting Republicans with things that brings people pleasure, again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-71496396759278755472022-05-13T12:38:14.791-04:002022-05-13T12:38:14.791-04:00Mao,
Remember way back (yesterday) when you were p...Mao,<br />Remember way back (yesterday) when you were pretending you supported the results of elections?<br />Good times!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-31112984614249318772022-05-13T10:47:45.698-04:002022-05-13T10:47:45.698-04:0010:37,
Like you and Mao, I.too, noticed those who ...10:37,<br />Like you and Mao, I.too, noticed those who questioned the 2020 Presidential election had a strong fascist vibe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-89492798939034484572022-05-13T10:37:26.725-04:002022-05-13T10:37:26.725-04:00That's what we did in 2020, when Biden crushed...That's what we did in 2020, when Biden crushed Trump in a landslide election, and only those who hate democracy made a fussAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-78486614672221879762022-05-13T01:28:45.913-04:002022-05-13T01:28:45.913-04:00"It’s certainly not mentioned in the constitu..."It’s certainly not mentioned in the constitution."<br /><br />Jeez. So, leave it to the legislatures. <br /><br />What's your problem, dembot? Do you even hear yourself? <br /><br />You sound like you really-really hate 'democracy', any democratic element of the government (there aren't many). You really hate the people. <br /><br />You desire a liberal theocracy, with all liberal dogmas mandated by liberal god enforced by liberal priesthood. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-12230392892609893642022-05-12T21:40:20.973-04:002022-05-12T21:40:20.973-04:00And did you get, David, that Roe does exactly what...And did you get, David, that Roe does exactly what you say would be so popular: it absolutely allows abortion in the first trimester, and allows it to be outlawed in the third trimester, except under certain circumstances (save the life of the mother, for example). You seem to be laboring under the impression that Roe allows unrestricted abortion up till conception. Do all right wingers misunderstand Roe as badly as you seem to? Besides, the radical pro life community doesn’t want any abortions, period. mhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-82035862076674297672022-05-12T21:36:15.857-04:002022-05-12T21:36:15.857-04:00David, you are engaging in sophistry. The same rea...David, you are engaging in sophistry. The same reasoning Alito used to overturn Roe can 100% be used against the other things. Contraception? How long has that been widely accepted? It’s certainly not mentioned in the constitution. The Catholic Church officially opposes contraceptives. Are you paying attention to what red state legislatures are doing? They are absolutely trying to pass laws to undo Griswold and Obergefell. And those new state laws will end up in front of Alito, a radical Catholic. mhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-86660691773770241742022-05-12T21:27:14.436-04:002022-05-12T21:27:14.436-04:00David, I am countering Somerby’s post. He says he ...David, I am countering <i>Somerby’s</i> post. He says he is in favor of abortion <i>rights</i>, not privileges. If he believes it is a right, then he can’t have it both ways by dithering with those who don’t believe that. mhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-12472765668276912922022-05-12T20:48:09.275-04:002022-05-12T20:48:09.275-04:00@7:01, I did read the entire decision, but I suspe...@7:01, I did read the entire decision, but I suspect that you didn't. Otherwise, you would know the answer to why Alito's logic would not lead to overturning decisions regarding voting rights, contraception, interracial and gay marriage, etc.David in Calhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10222355423128534221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-60119288599563813542022-05-12T20:45:41.097-04:002022-05-12T20:45:41.097-04:00mh -- From a moral POV abortion involves another l...mh -- From a moral POV abortion involves another life. That's why the abortion decision is different from gay sex or access to birth control. You can say that this other life is not a human being until its born, but another person can say that the fetus is a human being at some earlier point of development. Neither you can prove scientifically when human life really begins.<br /><br />From a legal POV, the Constitution specifies that blacks have voting rights, but the Constitution says nothing about abortion or when human life begins.David in Calhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10222355423128534221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-84409808251624913922022-05-12T19:01:45.046-04:002022-05-12T19:01:45.046-04:00I do not think you read Alito's full draft, it...I do not think you read Alito's full draft, it is a mess. <br /><br />Roe was decided, by Republican justices, because some states legally prohibited abortions all the while abortions were immensely common (popular, in your parlance). Even Southern Baptists supported some abortion rights at the time of Roe. Republicans only turned against abortion rights in the late 70's when they found they could use it to help maintain segregated religious schools.<br /><br />Late term abortions are not unpopular, they are illegal except in cases that involve risks to the health of the mother or the baby. "Legal in all cases" abortion (that includes late term) is wildly more popular than "illegal in all cases".<br /><br />Abortion has been popular for thousands of years, there is a long history and tradition of women having abortions.<br /><br />Roe has a 50 year history and tradition of support. Prior to Roe, America had a history of ignoring women's rights, so it hardly serves Alito's argument to dredge up technically accurate (somewhat accurate, his history has been widely disputed) but misleading history.<br /><br />Using Alito's logic, you could overturn laws that freed the slaves. More apt is you could overturn laws that gave us various rights like contraception, interracial marriage, gay marriage, etc.<br /><br />I would not be too quick to be smug about something in which you are woefully under-informed, and is disastrous for society.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-3718707810866803692022-05-12T18:31:44.537-04:002022-05-12T18:31:44.537-04:00I named my Subaru and my boys argued whether it wa...I named my Subaru and my boys argued whether it was a boy, a girl, or non-binary. People name lots of things. Your point, David?Ilyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09520998225031485048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-49747726837711560742022-05-12T18:27:41.000-04:002022-05-12T18:27:41.000-04:00We should at least try to correct them. We should at least try to correct them. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-25133710576843768992022-05-12T17:58:18.044-04:002022-05-12T17:58:18.044-04:00There is essentially no other way to frame the pro...There is essentially no other way to frame the pro-choice issue. Staunch pro-lifers will never see it as anything but murder. Note that Somerby does not himself attempt to argue the pro-choice position in a way that satisfies the “Others.” It is because he cannot. mhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-24670469448149165082022-05-12T17:37:22.153-04:002022-05-12T17:37:22.153-04:00“At this site, we favor abortion rights. We also f...“At this site, we favor abortion rights. We also favor respect for Others.”<br /><br />How is this different than someone in 1960 saying “we favor civil rights and voting rights for blacks, but we also respect the Others who don’t want that.”? What is the upshot of such an attitude? “Well, blacks, out of deference and respect for The Others, you’ll just have to wait another generation or two, or three,…to get your rights. Hope you’re OK with that.”<br /><br />At least LBJ understood that it was important to do the right thing, even at the cost of losing votes. <br />mhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-73307377966796005122022-05-12T17:33:12.574-04:002022-05-12T17:33:12.574-04:00Somerby does gloat when Dems lose, but that puts h...Somerby does gloat when Dems lose, but that puts him in a spot; when Dems win, it will prove Somerby wrong.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-59607320232313769112022-05-12T17:30:18.015-04:002022-05-12T17:30:18.015-04:00David, what do you think Roe v Wade said? Have you...David, what do you think Roe v Wade said? Have you read it? It said that abortions could be outlawed in the third trimester. For God’s sake! No one is demanding late term abortions. mhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-2468403145184663472022-05-12T17:24:34.792-04:002022-05-12T17:24:34.792-04:00Am I the only one here who actually read Alito'...Am I the only one here who actually read Alito's full decision? It's worth reading. Among other things, it gives some history of people's attitude toward abortion. When Roe was decided, legalized abortion was not popular. In fact, it was illegal in many or most states.<br /><br />Very late abortion has never been popular. Early abortion in, say, the first trimester, would command a big majority. Abortion in the last trimester -- not so much. David in Calhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10222355423128534221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-31831951151061273952022-05-12T17:02:59.343-04:002022-05-12T17:02:59.343-04:00well saidwell saidAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-11834564822915213002022-05-12T16:44:32.675-04:002022-05-12T16:44:32.675-04:00As Bob well knows, the Dems set the bill to the Se...As Bob well knows, the Dems set the bill to the Senate<br />knowing they would lose. This was for two reasons: The wanted to put everyone taking the right to have an abortion <br />done away with on the record, and because they think <br />it will help them politically. <br /> The first reason involves taking a moral stand on <br />behalf of pregnant women who don't want to have a <br />baby. This is utterly baffling to Bob. <br /> The second reason, that is WILL it help them politically, <br /> is questionable. Were the Dems savvy political players <br />the majority of the time we would not be in this sorry <br />situation. <br /> My own feeling is Bob is probably correct at least <br />in that the Dems have handled this issue poorly at least <br />in the framing it PURELY as a woman's rights issue. <br /> If most people are asked if they want a woman who <br />has had an abortion put in jail they will say "no." <br /> Indeed, the hard righties arguing this now, given<br />the rare chance they get to speak in the left outlets, <br /> quickly give up the game. <br /> They claim women who have an abortion will be<br />left alone, only the providers and doctors will be <br />punished. This obviously impractical bullshit is never <br />put to the test because they left never lets them say <br />it so they they can't challenge it. <br /> Will the Dems attempt to answer this as a matter<br />of women's controlling their own bodies fail? While it<br />is hardly the silly argument Bob seems to think it is,<br />it is hard to say. <br /> In the meantime, Bob can gloat about the Dems <br /> losing again, just the way he likes it. The <br />Right being asked to respect those on the other<br />side of the issue? In your dreams. Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288008924419574934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-90358836888477263402022-05-12T16:23:55.498-04:002022-05-12T16:23:55.498-04:002:40
A fraction of people oppose abortion on reli...2:40<br /><br />A fraction of people oppose abortion on religious grounds, less than those that believe in alien UFOs. <br /><br />Now how many policies do we base on alien UFOs belief?<br /><br />Right wingers flopped on abortion solely for political power.<br /><br />A majority of Catholics support abortion rights.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com