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Or maybe not snark...[snark] Richard Nixon [/snark]<br /><br />Or maybe not snark. Who switched recognizing Taiwan for Red China? Who had <a href="https://www.commondreams.org/views/2014/08/12/george-will-confirms-nixons-vietnam-treason" rel="nofollow">sabotaged the Paris Peace Talks in 1968</a>, meaning over just the next four years "more than 20,000 US troops died in Vietnam, more than 100,000 were wounded, more than a million Vietnamese were killed" — and ultimately the Communist North swept through the South?Ravenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974090948640572660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-49195757565446093042017-07-20T18:04:19.553-04:002017-07-20T18:04:19.553-04:00"But, he did get one basic item right: there ..."But, he did get one basic item right: there were some Communists secretly in high positions in the government."<br /><br />Who?Anti-Gnosticnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-63762536861978117352017-07-17T23:09:25.365-04:002017-07-17T23:09:25.365-04:00Dave, does it look like leaving blatant smears and...Dave, does it look like leaving blatant smears and fallacies un-rebutted, as did e.g. John Kerry’s 2004 campaign vs. spurious Swift Boat claims? Because we know how well silence worked as an argument then.<br /><br />Being for peace means not starting fights, but if you (having the ability to <a href="https://www.dailykos.com/comments/1677964/67047555#comment_67047555" title="for example" rel="nofollow">do something</a>) also stand idly by when bullies and thugs are already terrorizing others around you, you’re not furthering peace any more, you’re enabling violence. Likewise, I might guess your sense of “rational” implies not starting <i>verbal</i> brawls... but here the attacks had already been underway, and oddly enough you’re criticizing only those who’ve responded to them....Ravenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974090948640572660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-73999186351303087702017-07-17T13:33:17.715-04:002017-07-17T13:33:17.715-04:00Greg and Raven: Please re-read your replies and th...Greg and Raven: Please re-read your replies and then explain to me what rational public discourse looks like to you. Thanks.Dave the Guitar Playernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-85043752452623468412017-07-17T09:39:50.937-04:002017-07-17T09:39:50.937-04:00Leroy, I asked you to name anything specifically t...Leroy, I asked you to name anything specifically that the DNC did to effect the results of the Democratic presidential primary which Secretary Clinton won easily and decisively. You failed miserably in responding with anything concrete, mainly because as I said earlier, "There was actually not much the DNC could have done to help either candidate." You answered that the DNC anointed Secretary Clinton, as if that answers the question. You apparently have no idea how this works. <br /><br />I can't tell if you are a troll or just an ignorant immature child with no experience in these matters.<br /><br />You asked why was the democratic primary effectively over in May. Because by that point she had an insurmountable lead in pledged delegates. There are no winner take all primaries for the Democratic nomination, and by May the basic simple math said that Sanders would have had to win almost 80% of the remaining delegates to overtake her lead, a certain impossibility. Rather than withdraw with dignity, and unite the party against the abomination she was running against, his campaign then began begging the superdelegates to go against the will of the voters and switch to him, an astounding bit of bold hypocrisy since all along Sanders had been complaining about the SDs. His campaign degenerated from there into non-stop character assassination of Secretary Clinton consisting of smears promulgated by the wingnuts and Russians.<br /><br />The damage he did to her campaign was just enough to convince the pure self-righteous "progressives" to waste their votes on him or Putin friend, Jill Stein.<br /><br />mmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-34228159824402834182017-07-17T03:25:08.158-04:002017-07-17T03:25:08.158-04:00Anonymous 5:18: Wow, a spelling flame.
And you’re...Anonymous 5:18: Wow, a spelling flame.<br /><br />And you’re staying safely anonymous and unsigned so you needn’t ever account for your own track record of spelling.<br /><br />Unless that five-letter word <b>was</b> your signature....Ravenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974090948640572660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-75213756666255398022017-07-17T01:55:19.238-04:002017-07-17T01:55:19.238-04:00Raven gets it right. To believe Bob is conserned w...Raven gets it right. To believe Bob is conserned with rational public discourse at this point is laughable. He's a bitter man with scores to settle who wants to come off like a priest at the same time. His lip service to progressive virtue at this point is about as convincing as Kelleyanne Conway's.Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288008924419574934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-46211549425805063942017-07-16T23:45:28.264-04:002017-07-16T23:45:28.264-04:00Ya know, if you think about it, McCarthy's mai...Ya know, if you think about it, McCarthy's main targets were the Ivy League trained diplomats in the State Department, and the fancy-schmancy Hollywood scriptwriters.<br />What are now called coastal elites. gravymeisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16075831177588700301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-73385679513757571862017-07-16T23:12:24.112-04:002017-07-16T23:12:24.112-04:00Leroy, unlike you I’m not posting as “Anonymous”, ...Leroy, unlike you I’m <i>not</i> posting as “Anonymous”, so how quickly and easily you could have found out that I’m also <i>not</i> a “Newby”. <a href="http://dailyhowler.blogspot.com/2017/04/behind-curtain-early-clip-from-text-in.html?showComment=1493332369348#c5178015035227891703" rel="nofollow">[example]</a><br /><br />> <i>“He’s not pleading for the Trumps, he’s pleading for a rational public discourse.”</i><br /><br />Oh, so all those Trump critics are being <i>irrational</i>, and only Bob Somerby retains his <i>rationality?</i><br /><br />Ye gods, goddesses, and little green goblins, it’s a good thing that’s not a claim he made on his <i>own</i> behalf. Considering all the symptom-reading he does on <i>other</i> people, what a megalomaniac-sounding claim that would be.<br /><br />But, quite frankly, how sycophantic it sounds coming from anyone else.Ravenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974090948640572660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-50999816034481936372017-07-16T21:21:58.597-04:002017-07-16T21:21:58.597-04:00Naturally. Democrats and media won't accuse t...Naturally. Democrats and media won't accuse themselves of practicing McCarthyism.David in Calnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-47670473012375229582017-07-16T18:59:35.776-04:002017-07-16T18:59:35.776-04:005:20
Alright, I’m the ignorant slut now. I don’t ...5:20<br /><br />Alright, I’m the ignorant slut now. I don’t know what you mean. I suppose I could do some reserch on this, but perhaps you have some information at the ready? Truly, I just want to understand.<br /><br />And I’m still unabashadly pro-Sanders, but reality does intrude.<br /><br />Leroy<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-53283011661036201932017-07-16T18:40:05.737-04:002017-07-16T18:40:05.737-04:00Nah, I like it here. Smart people most the time, a...Nah, I like it here. Smart people most the time, and I get a kick out of your posts.<br /><br />I take your point. Despite the fact that the DNC did anoint Hillary, despite that the leaked emails (not to mention Brazile) proved that this supposedly neutral organization was anything but, makes me angry. Yes, I was a Bernie supporter, and yes, I did end up voting for Hillary. But that shit stank, whether it made a difference or not. The DNC is rotten. So is the party – except for the progressive caucus.<br /><br />And I certainly take your point about state representation. ‘Twould be nice if we had a more parliamentary system. Can you imagine Trump in front of the British form of this? Ah, that would be sweet.<br /><br />Fantasies aside, I just wanted information. “Effectively over in May…”<br /><br />Why?<br /><br />Leroy<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-59375870336870991822017-07-16T18:15:52.846-04:002017-07-16T18:15:52.846-04:00Hey Leroy, why don't you enlighten me first wh...Hey Leroy, why don't you enlighten me first what specifically did the DNC do to affect the results? <br /><br />Iowa and NH are two of the least representative states in the union. Sanders win in NH gave him a win right off the bat. And that was predictable. If the DNC wanted to put their thumb on the scale they would have pushed Iowa and NH to the end of the line. It is a complete falsehood that Sanders ever had a chance. She beat him soundly and the race was effectively over by May. go take your sore red ass somewhere else.mmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-66057429396167331802017-07-16T17:33:54.754-04:002017-07-16T17:33:54.754-04:005:17
Yes, the chase is on. That's only what B...5:17<br /><br />Yes, the chase is on. That's only what Bob has been saying for weeks. His focus _is_ political, in case you haven't noticed.<br /><br />What is lacking is clear, coherent discussion of these issues, and that's the rub. Democracy 101 depends on an informed electorate.<br /><br />You must cast far and wide to find news sources that actually inform. NYT, WP, do some good reporting, but they have always wilted when it come to the real truth. See: Invasion of Iraq. Possibly the most consequential event we'll see in our lifetimes.<br /><br />LeroyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-88501158930452776402017-07-16T17:20:11.499-04:002017-07-16T17:20:11.499-04:00How can you claim Bernie had wide support nationwi...How can you claim Bernie had wide support nationwide when he couldn't win an actual primary -- just states with caucuses that could be manipulated. Any place there was an actual primary vote, Sanders not only lost but showed much less support than his people claimed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-86435640243331940382017-07-16T17:18:33.280-04:002017-07-16T17:18:33.280-04:00“…should have been called out by and editor.”
Moro...“…should have been called out by and editor.”<br />Moron.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-10915102841611084812017-07-16T17:17:04.748-04:002017-07-16T17:17:04.748-04:00Trump is getting what he deserves from the NY Time...Trump is getting what he deserves from the NY Times and Wash Post. Somerby sounds like he is defending Trump, not arguing for higher journalistic standards. Why is that? Something is clearly wrong with the way Somerby makes his arguments, if his focus is on discourse and not on politics. Maybe it was the snide allusion to McCarthy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-80693494202024399342017-07-16T17:12:33.222-04:002017-07-16T17:12:33.222-04:001:18
You're right - ignorant should have suff...1:18<br /><br />You're right - ignorant should have sufficed. As far as no evidence, well... QED.<br /><br />And mm, I'm not sure I follow. Admitting my own ignorance. Is your contention an electoral college thing? Cuz it seems to me Bernie had wide support nationwide. Why would the state voting sequence have an effect? Hope you can enlighten me.<br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br />LeroyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-1751715125419925692017-07-16T17:00:40.466-04:002017-07-16T17:00:40.466-04:00Newby.
He's not pleading for the Trumps, he&#...Newby.<br /><br />He's not pleading for the Trumps, he's pleading for a rational public discourse.<br /><br />What's your go-to in that regard?<br /><br />LeroyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-15211965346713152452017-07-16T14:38:13.295-04:002017-07-16T14:38:13.295-04:00It is fashionable to compare the investigation of ...It is fashionable to compare the investigation of Trump's campaign's Russian ties to McCarthy but usually it is the Republicans making the comparison.Not a rodenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02216459357112547141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-26456873377579234372017-07-16T10:47:39.560-04:002017-07-16T10:47:39.560-04:00There was actually not much the DNC could have don...There was actually not much the DNC could have done to help either candidate. One thing they could have done however would have been to once and for all take Iowa and NH out of their special position of going first. Without Iowa and NH going first there would have been no Bernie.<br /><br />mmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-69067409211306319732017-07-16T07:04:45.954-04:002017-07-16T07:04:45.954-04:00I have to say, Bob, this does take “bending over b...I have to say, Bob, this does take “bending over backwards” to new extremes. You sound more like Sean Spicer and Sarah Huckabee Sanders every time I come here, in your special pleadings for the Trumps.Ravenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974090948640572660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-12205478134577783442017-07-16T01:18:29.380-04:002017-07-16T01:18:29.380-04:00No evidence the DNC took sides. Just one person wh...No evidence the DNC took sides. Just one person who said some things they didn't act on, and a bunch of paranoid bros. Don't call me a slut again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com