tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post5875213509876937004..comments2024-03-28T16:18:12.319-04:00Comments on the daily howler: BREAKING: What does it mean to talk to a house?<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-13724402323856482522021-10-08T06:01:23.380-04:002021-10-08T06:01:23.380-04:00smartdraw crack
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I'm sure ...Yes, I'm sure you have no point. I'm sure of a couple of other things about you, too.CMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481861530761114492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-81595867567130655522018-02-15T22:08:37.105-05:002018-02-15T22:08:37.105-05:00You didn’t read the Massie book about Potemkin but...You didn’t read the Massie book about Potemkin but you’re sure I have no point.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-38055931453947173292018-02-15T21:53:46.454-05:002018-02-15T21:53:46.454-05:00No, but I did read both Robert Massie's Peter ...No, but I did read both Robert Massie's <i>Peter the Great</i> and his <i>Nicholas and Alexandra</i>. (You still won't admit Somerby used "Potemkin" correctly- boy you're fouled up.)CMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481861530761114492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-6293414326781361992018-02-15T19:23:03.095-05:002018-02-15T19:23:03.095-05:00You are stubbornly misunderstanding what I said. S...You are stubbornly misunderstanding what I said. Some people would call that stupidity. I think you are so enamored of your own thoughts you don’t bother listening to anyone else. Its why no one likes talking to you here.<br /><br />Have you read Massie’s book on Catherine the Great? I have. That’s why I object to the way Somerby refers to Potemkin. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-73167436999607724082018-02-15T16:23:29.322-05:002018-02-15T16:23:29.322-05:00You have a knowledge of Russian history which dist...You have a knowledge of Russian history which distinguishes you in some way? Ha, ha, ha- ya poseur <a href="https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/poseur" rel="nofollow">LINK</a>.CMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481861530761114492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-54776609033522128862018-02-15T12:37:38.580-05:002018-02-15T12:37:38.580-05:00Repeating what the government says is commonly cal...Repeating what the government says is commonly called "propaganda". Any news organizations who consider themselves journalists have an obligation to the public to inform. This means repeating what anyone says, without consideration as to whether the statements are true, is irresponsible and wrong. Without a vigorous free press that seeks the truth, when election time comes along there will be no facts to review. We are perilously close to this reality.Dave the Guitar Playernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-61826738848738975282018-02-15T11:39:00.726-05:002018-02-15T11:39:00.726-05:00I think it's a fair complaint to point out tha...I think it's a fair complaint to point out that if the New York Times reporters asked the head of that obscure office if Sanders' representations were accurate then the report itself would be more accurate and broad terms like "White House" would be precised in such a way that we would all understand the issue better. And it would be more interesting. <br /><br />I agree that it's strange or lazy or curious that they didn't ask them and seemingly didn't consider adressing the distinction beyond the brief passing mention. <br /><br />Search nuance is obviously simple but it would require the writers and we readers break out of the black and white, Cowboys and Indians, us against them human mold of storytelling and understanding life which obviously is a difficult thing to do but I do agree that it would be better and more interesting and would be more in keeping with a high standard that you would expect out of the world's most prestigious news organization.Gunk Millernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-964039978227464272018-02-15T10:11:46.783-05:002018-02-15T10:11:46.783-05:00CMike, you don’t understand that the same doubt ab...CMike, you don’t understand that the same doubt about the Potemkin villages (the original usage) can occur with Somerby’s press complaint. Since all you know about Potemkin came from Google, not any knowledge of Russian history, this is all black and white to you, simplistic, and you feel confident calling others names. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-15372626990218313332018-02-15T02:57:23.749-05:002018-02-15T02:57:23.749-05:00How about if reporters went back to quoting exactl...How about if reporters went back to quoting exactly what was said by White House personnel (who are all paid by taxpayers and thus have a duty to let their actions be reported on)?<br /><br />Then everyone can review the facts at election time.Cirzehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07070125217972397204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-60466778041705591412018-02-15T02:05:54.359-05:002018-02-15T02:05:54.359-05:00The revolutionary at 12:48 AM whose identity is so...The revolutionary at 12:48 AM whose identity is so secret the use of a pseudonym would be too dangerous writes:<br /><br /><i>You added free press.</i><br /><br />I didn't add anything. The term "free press" was in the usage example posted by the online dictionary I linked to, a link you didn't click on and hence ended up in error- again. Potemkin has a modern meaning, if after reading the definition from that source you can't admit you were foolish in getting offended by Somerby on Grigory Potemkin's behalf let your mother deal with your maladjustment issues- she's the responsible party.<br /><br />(If you know I can google stuff, why don't you see if you can too before pulling the trigger the next time you have a gun pointed at your foot?)CMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481861530761114492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-66342828602062240642018-02-15T00:51:06.899-05:002018-02-15T00:51:06.899-05:00What Democratic office holder or candidate has bee...What Democratic office holder or candidate has been accused since Franken (don't say Bill Clinton)?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-43320010780805514092018-02-15T00:48:10.585-05:002018-02-15T00:48:10.585-05:00Yes, we know you can google stuff.
Now explain w...Yes, we know you can google stuff. <br /><br />Now explain what a Potemkin mainstream org is. A deceptive org created for propaganda purposes? So the NY Times, for example, doesn't actually exist? Somerby wrote something lazy that makes no sense. You added free press. Somerby didn't say it and I see no reason to put words in his mouth when he is utterly devoid of linguistic charity toward anyone else.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-43034459388381218132018-02-15T00:33:15.375-05:002018-02-15T00:33:15.375-05:00These excessive displays of a little bit of knowle...These excessive displays of a little bit of knowledge are revealing to anyone who is not all ready wise what poseurs our resident oh so necessarily incognito revolutionaries are. From <i>The Oxford Living Dictionary</i> <a href="https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/potemkin" rel="nofollow">[LINK]</a>:<br /><br />Potemkin^2<br />ADJECTIVE<br />informal <br />Having a false or deceptive appearance, especially one presented for the purpose of propaganda.<br /><br />‘a Potemkin news network, set up only to give the appearance of a free press’CMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481861530761114492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-56594455009425226632018-02-15T00:25:37.398-05:002018-02-15T00:25:37.398-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.CMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481861530761114492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-70188840888643338552018-02-14T23:54:24.647-05:002018-02-14T23:54:24.647-05:00"They pretend to..."
Somerby knows when..."They pretend to..." <br />Somerby knows when someone is a true progressive or a pseudoprogressive. Somerby knows when someone is a careerist. He knows when certain liberals don't care about a specific issue. He doesn't *pretend* to know these things....he KNOWS them. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-60725538862002188682018-02-14T23:14:39.407-05:002018-02-14T23:14:39.407-05:00Leroy, Somerby used the word "they" to r...Leroy, Somerby used the word "they" to refer to "cable news" and "our journalists" as his two antecedents. <br />Here: <br /><br />ALL IN WITH CHRIS HAYES 2/13/18<br />Trump plans to cut food stamps, deliver boxes of food<br />President Trump is exploiting the conservative myth of the food stamp leech with a new policy that solves no problems but creates plenty.<br /><br />THE LAST WORD WITH LAWRENCE O'DONNELL 2/12/18<br />America's crumbling infrastructure under Trump<br />Trump has repeatedly promised to fix America's failing infrastructure. He tried to fulfill that pledge Monday by sending Congress an infrastructure proposal... one that does not guarantee any repairs. Ezra Klein debunks the Trump proposal with Lawrence O'Donnell.<br /><br />I read about the budget in Kevin Drum's blog, but just google it and you'll see it in the Post, the Times, everywhere. <br /><br />My point is: All Somerby has to say is "They spent, or seem to have spent, more time talking about Porter than about Trump's budget or infrastructure." This would have been a more or less true statement. You tell me why Somerby does this. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-40718696568949782792018-02-14T22:40:36.300-05:002018-02-14T22:40:36.300-05:00@Anon 7:53: I'm just pointing out that Mao and...@Anon 7:53: I'm just pointing out that Mao and Somerby are saying the same thing. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-61351210033656675402018-02-14T22:34:32.431-05:002018-02-14T22:34:32.431-05:00It's not Bob's job to make sense of this k...It's not Bob's job to make sense of this kind of information either. Bob's job is to run interference for the GOP and repeat their nonsensical idiocy about liberals.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-71851569217518018582018-02-14T22:31:51.263-05:002018-02-14T22:31:51.263-05:00The press does its best under the circumstances. T...The press does its best under the circumstances. That is a valid point too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-2597914373419413662018-02-14T22:29:25.001-05:002018-02-14T22:29:25.001-05:00Says Mao, the guy who tried to sell Trump as "...Says Mao, the guy who tried to sell Trump as "anti-establishment" and "anti-authoritarian". <br />Mao's lies are nonsense, but I can't tell if the Russians should fire him, or give him a raise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-20594692405499527722018-02-14T21:23:57.336-05:002018-02-14T21:23:57.336-05:00When Bob starts by clarifying that The White House...When Bob starts by clarifying that The White House is not a person, we can assume we are on shaky ground. He does not disappoint....Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288008924419574934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-91298815258192318172018-02-14T20:12:23.645-05:002018-02-14T20:12:23.645-05:00Who was "they," and what did they actual...Who was "they," and what did they actually talk about?<br /><br />Thanks,<br />LeroyLeroyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02021120389394278239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-36573491855361914302018-02-14T20:10:16.578-05:002018-02-14T20:10:16.578-05:00“It is not possible for the press to make sense of...“It is not possible for the press to make sense of this kind of information, on any topic.”<br /><br />Yes. But they pretend to. Which is the gist of this post, in case you didn’t notice. You wrote some 400 words, and somehow failed to get that very point.<br /><br />Talk to my house.<br /><br />Leroy<br />Leroyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02021120389394278239noreply@blogger.com