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The NYT didn't turn HRC's private ser...@mm<br /><br />The NYT didn't turn HRC's private server into a federal case, the FBI did. <br /><br />Maureen Dowd's musings appear in the Opinion Pages of The NYT, not the front page of the newspaper. She goes after all the leading candidates for POTUS <br /><br />2015, Dowd columns: <br /><br />Bush and Clinton Dynasties Hit Trump Bump <br /><br />Donald Trump Struts in His Own Pageant <br /><br />Trump the Disrupter <br /><br /> He Is Heavy. He’s My Brother. <br />Jeb Bush cannot quit W., learning the hard way that he’s trapped in Bushworld<br /><br />Jeb Bush’s Brainless Trust<br />cicerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12472612909567425204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-14177861275700411442015-10-27T11:35:55.066-04:002015-10-27T11:35:55.066-04:00The reporting was and is awful. Who has been point...The reporting was and is awful. Who has been pointing that out?<br /><br />Fine, the reporting has been and continues to be terrible, yes.<br /><br />But we have a Bigger Problem: The guy who's been pointing it out.<br /><br />What can we do about our bigger problem? Well, I for have have decided to hang out at this blog and call anyone who will listen a Bobfan. Someone's got to do it!<br /><br />You'll thank me later, little Howlers -- if you ever learn to think for yourselves like me, that is.Unreconstructed Douchebag Trollnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-42103388185199373992015-10-27T09:41:04.758-04:002015-10-27T09:41:04.758-04:00Why is Dowd?Why is Dowd?billybhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05466944663394419986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-43727531809350245322015-10-27T09:37:30.095-04:002015-10-27T09:37:30.095-04:00Why is he still a thing?Why is he still a thing?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-41270949186365525492015-10-27T07:02:06.489-04:002015-10-27T07:02:06.489-04:00The difference is, when this story came out progre...The difference is, when this story came out progressives didn't jump on it and turn it into a federal case.<br /><br />TDH was on it immediately, because he is consistent. He won't hesitate to call bullshit when it directed against a republican. That's the difference.<br /><br />And IIRC, and I think I do, the story had a very short half-life and was never raised again during the presidential campaign.<br /><br /><br />*************************<br />PART 1: The New York Times sexed up McCain—in a way which was slippery and slick. See THE DAILY HOWLER, 2/25/08.<br /><br />PART 1—HOW MANY IS SOME: To some inscrutable liberals, the New York Times remains one of our “most esteemed institutions.” <br /><br />But: <br /><br />To people willing to observe the real world, the Times is an upper-class, Versailles-style disaster. The paper’s attempt to sex up John McCain is just the latest example. <br /><br />For our money, the Times report was strikingly weak even if you remove the intimations of man-on-young-blonde sex/sex/sex—but we’ll put that off till tomorrow and Wednesday. Today, let’s get clear on the pitiful way the New York Times yelled sex/sex/sex about McCain’s alleged sexy-time conduct.<br /><br />Was McCain involved in sex/sex/sex? It’s fairly clear that the Times has no real idea. But so what? Atop the front page of Wednesday’s Times, Jim Rutenberg, and a cast of thousands, started off grandly. Like this: <br />****************************<br /><br />PART 2: The Times got tough in the Keating affair. We’d call it a major reversal. See THE DAILY HOWLER, 2/26/08. <br /><br />PART 3: Rutenberg recast an old tale—in a way which took down a great hero. See THE DAILY HOWLER, 2/27/08<br /><br />********************************************<br /><br /><br />mmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-40427890412621590682015-10-27T03:32:00.252-04:002015-10-27T03:32:00.252-04:00This is where Biden's slipperiness comes in. ...This is where Biden's slipperiness comes in. He's not saying that what Dowd wrote in her column is false in its facts. He's saying that some kind of "Hollywood" gloss has accrued to the story, that people have interpreted the story as a "win one for the Gipper" deathbed moment, and that what really happened is not a Hollywood/win one for the Gipper moment.<br /><br />Dowd's source was either Joe Biden, or someone so close to Joe Biden that he/she was allowed to speak to Dowd as a proxy for Joe Biden. Obviously that column got written with Joe Biden's approval. Now he wants to distance himself from it.<br /><br />Whatever....Dowd is a disgrace, always has been, she is disgusting, and Biden is very slippery.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-30817998361783902342015-10-26T23:19:19.404-04:002015-10-26T23:19:19.404-04:00He never mentions Dowd but he says the story she t...He never mentions Dowd but he says the story she told never ever happened.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-42402545188095713392015-10-26T23:00:04.467-04:002015-10-26T23:00:04.467-04:00"With his last few nouns, the dying man rose ..."With his last few nouns, the dying man rose from his bed to trash the Clintons one last time!" Bob Somerby<br /><br />Bob, whacking himself as he types with rough thumbs, amped an "argument" into "begging," portrays a man "sitting down at a table" as<br />"rising from his bed" and accuses Dowd of novelization.<br /><br />In fact Bob mostly closely resemble Chozick in taking a leap from Dowd's actual words. And it is the deathbed version told here by Bob and by his creative writing cohort Amy that Biden says is fiction.<br /><br />Read carefully little Howlers. Biden never says a word written by Dowd<br />is wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-72733827338005321472015-10-26T22:32:50.904-04:002015-10-26T22:32:50.904-04:00I surely didn't mean to defend the NY Times. A...I surely didn't mean to defend the NY Times. All I meant to do was figure out whether or not their public editor is permitted to criticize portions other than the news pages.<br /><br />I consider it a criticism that (I think) they don't let the public editor criticize areas other than the news pages. The op-ed pages, in particular, tend to be weak and not infrequently has errors. David in Calnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-60487677389501874042015-10-26T21:25:04.673-04:002015-10-26T21:25:04.673-04:00Cool. DinC is now defending the NY Times. What&#...Cool. DinC is now defending the NY Times. What's the world coming to!mmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-48415740359899451742015-10-26T20:27:36.876-04:002015-10-26T20:27:36.876-04:00Slippery cornball catholic schmaltz + fuzzy venomo...Slippery cornball catholic schmaltz + fuzzy venomous novels + unwritten rules = much worse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-49481573262507041542015-10-26T20:18:26.280-04:002015-10-26T20:18:26.280-04:00The Bidens are a slippery bunch. It's not tha...The Bidens are a slippery bunch. It's not that I dislike any of them, it's just, all that cornball Catholic schmaltz, it's a bit much.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-42316524415183192982015-10-26T19:22:39.414-04:002015-10-26T19:22:39.414-04:00Libs get indignant when the NYT sets the tone for...Libs get indignant when the NYT sets the tone for all U.S. news media only when a story is unflattering to HRC. When The NYT put a phony 2008 story on the front page above the fold about McCain having an affair with lobbyist Vicki Iseman liberals couldn't care less about the story's veracity, only that it benefited the Democratic Party candidates.<br /> <br />The Public Editor<br /><br />"What That McCain Article Didn’t Say" <br /> <br />By CLARK HOYT<br />Published: February 24, 2008 <br /><br />"But in the absence of a smoking gun, I asked Keller why he decided to run what he had.<br /><br />“If the point of the story was to allege that McCain had an affair with a lobbyist, we’d have owed readers more compelling evidence than the conviction of senior staff members,” he replied. “But that was not the point of the story. The point of the story was that he behaved in such a way that his close aides felt the relationship constituted reckless behavior and feared it would ruin his career.”<br /><br />I think that ignores the scarlet elephant in the room. A newspaper cannot begin a story about the all-but-certain Republican presidential nominee with the suggestion of an extramarital affair with an attractive lobbyist 31 years his junior and expect readers to focus on anything other than what most of them did. And if a newspaper is going to suggest an improper sexual affair, whether editors think that is the central point or not, it owes readers more proof than The Times was able to provide.' <br /><br />http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/24/opinion/24pubed.html?pagewanted=allcicerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12472612909567425204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-47247765401578680172015-10-26T19:19:36.206-04:002015-10-26T19:19:36.206-04:00Chozick's use of Dowd's unsourced conversa...Chozick's use of Dowd's unsourced conversation occurred in a news story.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-185682258421444572015-10-26T18:06:39.708-04:002015-10-26T18:06:39.708-04:00Anon 5:46 - I write to the public editor from time...Anon 5:46 - I write to the public editor from time to time. IIRC I've been told by the public editor's office that public editor commentary is limited to news stories. However, your example of Clark Hoyt criticizing Dowd would seem to contradict my memory, so now I'm not certain.<br /><br />The Times' description of PE duties doesn't specifically say that PE commentary is limited to news stories.<br /><br /><i>...writes about the Times and its journalism....The public editor’s office also handles questions and comments from readers and investigates matters of journalistic integrity. </i>David in Calnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-88340822653370318512015-10-26T17:46:24.281-04:002015-10-26T17:46:24.281-04:00Hey, David, is that true? I thought a public edito...Hey, David, is that true? I thought a public editor's job was to address questions of journalistic integrity. I didn't know that this is limited to news stories. As a matter of fact, in 2008 NYT public editor Clark Hoyt called Maureen Dowd out for the "gender-heavy terms" in her columns concerning candidate Clinton. <br /><br />At any rate, even if Margaret Sullivan can't address op-ed fabrications, she can still address reporter Amy Chozick's front page story.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-48645722634547005532015-10-26T17:11:01.524-04:002015-10-26T17:11:01.524-04:00mm, as you probably know, the Times' public ed...mm, as you probably know, the Times' public editor is not permitted to comment about stuff on the op-ed pages.David in Calnoreply@blogger.com