tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post5931472901652702410..comments2024-03-28T13:37:58.048-04:00Comments on the daily howler: Zernike changes her basic account again!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-23934400474997374262014-02-06T09:05:33.629-05:002014-02-06T09:05:33.629-05:00great blog indeed, ful of information
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You're welcome for the vocab...Anonymous 5:24A,<br /><br />You're welcome for the vocabulary lesson. Of course, it did no good, did it? You got the wrong word, but you still insist you're right.<br /><br />The blog is about journalists for the most part, with a few asides about sports teams for some reason. It's relentlessly, tirelessly, poundingly about how bad the press is. No matter how many people are fans of his writing; no matter how much longer you think it is until the blog folds. That's what it is.<br /><br />If you don't think that a worthwhile topic -- and nobody says you have to -- why don't you move on to a blog that covers topics you're interested in? TDH needs no excuse to write about things that interest him instead of things that interest you.<br />deadratnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-52402508463139877332014-02-04T10:35:19.166-05:002014-02-04T10:35:19.166-05:00deadrat. Please. You write:
"Nowhere does ...deadrat. Please. You write:<br /><br />"Nowhere does TDH claim or presume that Christie is telling the truth."<br /><br />You write English. Read English. <br /><br />For you, the short version:<br /><br />Maddow:....if the traffic study line is proven to not be true, what happens to Chris Christie then?"<br /><br />Somerby....Chris Christie will say that he didn’t know.....<strong>Presumably, his claim will be true.</strong> That’s what happens to Christie. <br /><br />For BOBfans like Cecelia who respond to facts in their face with imagined, assumed or invented context here it is. They are still free to invent what BOB meant to say.<br /><br />MADDOW: Whatever did happen still has not been explained. Governor Christie has gone so far as to say mistakes were made. He’s gone so far as to accept the resignations of his top two appointees at the agency, two long-time political allies of his.<br /><br />But so far, he’s still trying to stick to the line that it was a traffic study.<br /><br />That has never seemed credible and the executive director of the agency says it’s not true. With a federal inquiry now and a new round of subpoenas on the issue, it seems like we are likely to learn definitively whether or not the traffic study line is true. <strong>And if the traffic study line is proven to not be true, what happens to Chris Christie then?</strong><br /><br />That does it for us tonight. We will see you again tomorrow night.<br />........................<br /><br />(BOB writes)<br />Rachel engaged in free insinuation, trying to provide us with our nightly Christie hard-ons.<br /><br />Luckily, we were able to answer her question. If the traffic study line is proven to not be true, Chris Christie will say that he didn’t know. <br /><br />Presumably, his claim will be true. That’s what happens to Christie. <br /><br /><br />http://dailyhowler.blogspot.com/2013/12/previously-enormous-story-gets-bigger.html<br /><br />KZ<br /><br />PS: This will be a two parter. Why? Because this post, this comment thread, and the post from which we just quoted speaks volumes the blog BOB and his legion of BOBfans. But we may read this morning's new post before deciding where Part 2 best belongs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-27309564434298063152014-02-04T05:24:36.590-05:002014-02-04T05:24:36.590-05:00Sorry, but "this blog is about journalists&qu...Sorry, but "this blog is about journalists" was a bullshit excuse when Bob first thought it up. It is still a bullshit excuse no matter how many times his few remaining fans regurgitate it.<br /><br />And thank you for the English lesson, but I still think "honing" as in sharpening his rather dull knives, is apt.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-14573900196334265822014-02-04T04:50:05.165-05:002014-02-04T04:50:05.165-05:00Anonymouis @3:49A,
Still don't get it, do you...Anonymouis @3:49A,<br /><br />Still don't get it, do you? How much slower can I type so you can follow?<br /><br />TDH isn't carrying water for Christie. This isn't a blog about the good and bad points of politicians, but rather one about how journalists cover and fail to cover the news.<br /><br />Nowhere does TDH claim or presume that Christie is telling the truth. TDH claims that certain reporters can't get the simplest known facts straight about the story.<br /><br />And, ferchrissakes, it's "homing in on." Honing is what you do to knives.deadratnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-47472088081357634462014-02-04T03:49:34.851-05:002014-02-04T03:49:34.851-05:00Bob could have written a good post about how, in t...Bob could have written a good post about how, in this Information Age where being first is all-important -- even if by minutes, that stories get rushed to online publication long before they are fully vetted and edited. <br /><br />I have quite often seen a story in my local morning newspaper, here in flyover country, and said to myself, "Self? This is different than the story I read online yesterday evening."<br /><br />But then, Bob couldn't pretend that this is a problem peculiar to the New York Times, and especially peculiar to the Christie coverage.<br /><br />And now that you mentioned it, Bob has carried enough water for the Governor of New Jersey to fill every parched reservoir in California, dutifully reporting all the best-case scenarios favorable to him as well as honing in on all the governor's talking points as if they were true, to the point of "speculating" that if this turned out to be no traffic study but something far more dastardly, Christie would simply deny knowing about it and that would "presumably" be true.<br /><br />But instead of "presuming" that Christie told the truth on Jan. 9 that he didn't know any of his staff was involved until Jan. 8 -- nearly four months after the incident in question, "those damned kids" in the media keep asking questions.<br /><br />Surely, Bob wasn't taken in by the old media narrative of Chris Christie -- the straight-shooting maverick who gets things done for the good of his people. Say it ain't so.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-20682229113081669432014-02-04T03:29:09.081-05:002014-02-04T03:29:09.081-05:00And why has Bob failed to mention the WSJ, who has...And why has Bob failed to mention the WSJ, who has really done a lot of the heavy lifting, including the infamous Foye e-mail, broken by Ted Mann back on Oct. 1? That's when this story began to get wider attention outside of NJ/NY.<br /><br />Or the work done by the Newark Star-Ledger? Or the Bergen County Record, the second largest newspaper in New Jersey, who got the ball rolling with the Sept. 13 "Road Warrior" column that wouldn't take "traffic study" for an answer? <br /><br />Surely, in all his "musings" about mainstream media and their baseless speculation, Bob could point to that Sept. 13 column -- way before any evidence came in -- and wonder why the Record columnist simply didn't take the word of the Port Authority's "spokesman" at face value when he said it was a study of traffic-safety patterns, something Bob holds as still "possible" -- even in ordered by "stupid, crazy, insane" and now "unreliable" Wildstein.<br /><br />Why doesn't Bob, in the service of truth which he holds so dear, change his tagline to "musings about MSNBC and the New York Times . . ."<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-68525963623087881052014-02-04T02:32:50.338-05:002014-02-04T02:32:50.338-05:00"Meanwhile, what has Christie said in the pas..."Meanwhile, what has Christie said in the past? Zernike seems completely unable to answer this basic question. TV stars like Scarborough and Anderson Cooper seem completely unable to nail her down on this point." BOB<br /><br />Let's see, when Sokolich's account changed a bit, BOB was all over it. He noted the contradictions himself from other media sources, put them together, and attacked his least favorite media pinatas for not covering these "contradictions."<br /><br />Somerby could easily report all the different news accounts of Christie statements which contradict themselves about when he first "learned." But somehow we don't see a post about that. We do see a correct critique of Zernike's poor job of reporting the shifty Christie, but no assertive BOB running down the contradiction himself as he did with Soklolich. <br /><br />BOB the investigative blogger digging deep into AP archives to find and post a piece in which a professor reports that there was data which could not be definitively ruled out as data from a traffic study? That BOB has been MIA when detailing the many accounts of this important piece of shifting Christie statements of "when he knew." <br /><br />Also note that BOB has missed reviewing the reporting of the memo by Camp Christie attacking Wildstein on Saturday last. That memo contained bullet points attacking Wildstein for things said about him or that he did in high school. It's point was that Wildstein is unreliable.<br /><br />Guess who, out of the blue, called Wildstein unreliable for the first time on Saturday? Did you guess BOB? You would be right.<br /><br />Throughout this series, going back to December, BOB has professed distaste for Christie. But he has backed him on nearly every point, starting with the presumption in December that if it were revealed there never was a traffic study Christie could simply deny knowing that and would be telling the truth. <br /><br />BTW BOB. Morning Joe got the lane closures wrong today. You got who was leveling charges against Christie wrong. Then you got it right, only, like Zernike, you got it wrong again. In the same damn post. All without notation or correction. Have you been Dowdied Up, Maddow Cloneclowned, or Zernikified?<br /><br />No perspirtation dude, your fans still love you. They are even crediting you here for the one New York Times mistake everyone caught but you.<br /><br />KZAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-56781711337801492342014-02-04T01:58:00.957-05:002014-02-04T01:58:00.957-05:00Sullivan's acknowledgement of an error concern...<br /><br />Sullivan's acknowledgement of an error concerned an online report by Zernike in breaking the story of Wildstein's lawyer's letter. The error was the initial report that the lawyer stated Wilstein had evidence contrdicting Christies public statements about when he knew of the closure. It was corrected in the print edition to say the letter stated such evidence exists, not that Wilstein had it.<br /><br />Funny, but I have searched the transcripts of Bob Somerby's postings and I find no record of him finding or mentioning the error which Sullivan acknowldedged. <br /><br />What does exist is a post about differences between the online and print edition in which Somerby devotes great detail to the changes in references to the high school relationship between Christie and Wildstein.<br /><br />Sullivan corroborates nothing about Somerby other than he was so busy wallowing in details about the high school trees that he missed the forest altogether.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-14928535009131051342014-02-04T00:18:36.671-05:002014-02-04T00:18:36.671-05:00By Somerby's analysis, you qualify as a guest ...By Somerby's analysis, you qualify as a guest expert on Morning Joe. Have your agent call.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-89338927647865784452014-02-03T21:55:59.192-05:002014-02-03T21:55:59.192-05:00Here is a link to a WSJ article that adds some bac...Here is a link to a WSJ article that adds some background to the Christie scandal:<br />http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303442704579359122606230960<br /><br />The fascinating thing to me is the WSJ diligence in covering this story. One would have to guess Christie was very popular with WSJ readers locally and even nationally. The comments on the article are somewhat deranged, but generally seem to be defending Christie. <br /><br />So why is the WSJ doing so much on this story? They could run another SuperBowl piece or interview a trader about the stock market dropping 6% in a month. Instead they are building a mosaic of corruption around Christie. Trollmesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-35685318195500344152014-02-03T21:53:43.347-05:002014-02-03T21:53:43.347-05:00Thanks for the Wemple post, same as Sullivan in th...Thanks for the Wemple post, same as Sullivan in the Times, and showing why Bob's analysis was spot on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-66069490592470370852014-02-03T21:51:46.784-05:002014-02-03T21:51:46.784-05:00Margaret Sullivan's critique is important and ...Margaret Sullivan's critique is important and corroborates completely what Bob Somerby has been saying. The reporting by the Times on this matter has been really problematic.<br /><br />Thanks for the Sullivan post, and for the analysis Bob.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-49084005505829264822014-02-03T21:05:06.176-05:002014-02-03T21:05:06.176-05:00No, that distinction belongs to you.No, that distinction belongs to you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-28066876897066594062014-02-03T20:09:25.908-05:002014-02-03T20:09:25.908-05:00Shades of Watergate - "You've done worse...Shades of Watergate - "You've done worse than let Haldeman slip away: you've got people feeling sorry for him. I didn't think that was possible."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-42666202731015629892014-02-03T19:42:27.569-05:002014-02-03T19:42:27.569-05:00The Washington Post's Erik Wemple highlights Z...The Washington Post's Erik Wemple highlights Zernike's sloppy journalism today: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2014/02/03/new-york-times-defends-christie-story-governor-was-trying-to-change-the-discussion/?hpid=z3Andrichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05112122756372293096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-6201780776152213712014-02-03T19:12:35.110-05:002014-02-03T19:12:35.110-05:00I'm looking.I'm looking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-899647701728914142014-02-03T19:07:27.663-05:002014-02-03T19:07:27.663-05:00Bob represents the worst humankind has to offer.Bob represents the worst humankind has to offer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-26549772010041470782014-02-03T19:07:04.069-05:002014-02-03T19:07:04.069-05:00If you cut out two of the feed lanes, you shouldn&...If you cut out two of the feed lanes, you shouldn't need as many toll booths. This is probably why the throughput didn't increase much. <br /><br />Wouldn't it be funny if this was all done at Mayor Sokolich's request because he was tired of having so many cars passing through his neighborhood streets on the way to the bridge?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-25590802584073080922014-02-03T19:04:39.909-05:002014-02-03T19:04:39.909-05:00Are you trying to deflect Somerby's attention ...Are you trying to deflect Somerby's attention from his current interests for some reason? Who are you protecting?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-41600041523697320832014-02-03T17:47:04.227-05:002014-02-03T17:47:04.227-05:00I was startled at how misleading the initial NYTim...I was startled at how misleading the initial NYTimes account was. This was needless, a story must be accurately and fairly reported.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-14823761070130144462014-02-03T17:45:33.928-05:002014-02-03T17:45:33.928-05:00http://publiceditor.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/02/03/a...http://publiceditor.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/02/03/as-the-latest-christie-story-evolved-the-times-should-have-noted-a-change/<br /><br />FEBRUARY 3, 2014<br /><br />As the Latest Christie Story Evolved, The Times Should Have Noted a Change<br />By MARGARET SULLIVAN<br /><br />[ Margaret Sullivan agrees as well, Bob. The reporting was simply shoddy no matter what we subsequently learn as fact. ]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-33838288166012832072014-02-03T17:27:26.265-05:002014-02-03T17:27:26.265-05:00What Bob seems to ignore is that Christie is large...What Bob seems to ignore is that Christie is largely a *creation* of the "press corps" he loathes --- not least his sycophants on Morning Joe.<br /><br />As the liberal world's "MVP," Krugman notes on his blog:<br /><br />"What’s remarkable here, actually, is how many pundits were taken in by the Christie persona. How could they not at least have wondered whether this guy’s bullying style reflected deeper flaws?"Geoffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-84650479096063795862014-02-03T17:21:59.525-05:002014-02-03T17:21:59.525-05:00What the "Road Warrior" columnist in Nor...What the "Road Warrior" columnist in NorthJersey.com said on September 13, 2013 ("Closed tollbooths a commuting disaster"):<br /><br />"The reason: The Port Authority, which runs the bridge, cut the number of tollbooths from three to one on the big span and narrowed the traffic patterns on its approaches from two Fort Lee streets. Instead of three lanes, the approach from Bruce Reynolds Boulevard and Martha Washington Way funnels down to one lane that leads to a combination cash-and-E-ZPass toll booth."<br /><br />1. Written as it was happening or concluding;<br />2. Expert on northern New Jersey roads says tollbooth lanes were "on the span." urban legendnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-4466867464529283052014-02-03T16:54:56.818-05:002014-02-03T16:54:56.818-05:00Zernike is supposed to recap each of Christie'...Zernike is supposed to recap each of Christie's shifting accounts in each article and appearance? Has Christie had no opportunity to lay out a clear timeline of his involvement and that of his staff? <br /><br />Each post is stunningly worst than the last. Look, there's some kind of controversy in Baltimore about "tapping" email and a botched speeding camera program--it's got intrigue and traffic issues all bound up with politics--great! Why not give that some media criticism? Because this thread is a fail.Trollmesnoreply@blogger.com