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How m...Bankers prefer Warren over Bernie Sanders. <br /><br />How much did your party hate Warren... and... next up.... even more so...Sanders, rather than Biden? <br /><br />Just enough. <br /><br />With these facts on the ground, why would you bother worrying about what a Republican thinks, Anonymouse 11:45pm? <br /><br />Don’t you have enough on your plate? Ceceliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15162272807640653299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-81574441535930722020-03-10T23:45:14.004-04:002020-03-10T23:45:14.004-04:00Relax, Cecelia.
When Trump voters look further int...Relax, Cecelia.<br />When Trump voters look further into Warren's actions, and realize she's on the side of the citizens, not bankers, they'll hate her even more, because she doesn't kiss the ass of the Establishment the way Donnie the Great does.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-63968253886498405032020-03-10T23:38:41.919-04:002020-03-10T23:38:41.919-04:00Leroy,
At least Warren didn't "rig" ...Leroy,<br />At least Warren didn't "rig" the primaries by having way more people vote for her than Sanders, like Hillary did.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-29253940680725807892020-03-10T09:17:08.445-04:002020-03-10T09:17:08.445-04:00Leave the incessant ignorance mind-reading to Some...Leave the incessant ignorance mind-reading to Somerby. It's all the poor boy got.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-88637283486632890232020-03-10T03:40:02.496-04:002020-03-10T03:40:02.496-04:00"In both of those elections, Democrats were s..."In both of those elections, Democrats were so unmoved by the accusations that she didn’t have any primary opponents."<br /><br />I think those scenarios are different from Dem voters having to sit through persistent attacks and jokes about her actions via a presidential race. <br /><br />In 2012, Warren had yet to take the DNA test that resulted in more controversy and less confidence in her assertion, and Warren besting Republicans in MA, wasn't very unlikely. <br /><br />With her early ascendance in the presidential primary, Dems got a taste of the sort of pummeling that was to come, mostly via the national attention on Trump tweets and comments to the media. <br /><br />I'm not arguing that anything said by Republicans, least of Trump, would change the minds of Dems. I think her Dem challengers shied away from that line of attack because it's seen as siding with enemy. <br /><br />A national presidential race would be different, there would be focus on the controversy. Dems would feel uneasy at this greater scrutiny that would cause the country to look more closely at what Warren did, and put more pressure on them to do the same. <br /><br />It's just a "notion" as "Anonymous March 8, 2020 at 11:56 AM" termed such conjectures. I suppose that's also a hunch. <br /><br /><br /><br />Ceceliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15162272807640653299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-74801432221527337672020-03-10T02:42:25.001-04:002020-03-10T02:42:25.001-04:00I could well have overestimated how Dem voters mig...<i>I could well have overestimated how Dem voters might feel about Warren's actions,</i>….<br /><br />That’s my bet. Wasn’t Warren leading in the polls last summer? Between now and then, you think Democratic primary voters decided her ancestry was a problem?<br /><br />In 2012, she beat the incumbent 54%-46% to take her seat in the Senate. Her opponent tried to make an issue of her claim to Native American ancestry.<br /><br />Six years later, she wiped the floor with the next Republican clown to challenge her over the issue. That election went her way 60%-36%.<br /><br />In both of those elections, Democrats were so unmoved by the accusations that she didn’t have any primary opponents. But she came third in the Massachusetts Presidential primary this cycle. I think it’s a stretch to think Massachusetts Democrats suddenly decided Trump was right about the Pocahontas thing.<br /><br />But I’ll admit it’s just a hunch.<br />deadrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02828198094140822987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-65133617190481119922020-03-10T00:35:56.655-04:002020-03-10T00:35:56.655-04:00deadrat,
I remarked on Warren and the Native Amer...deadrat,<br /><br />I remarked on Warren and the Native American thing in response to this remark.<br /><br />“ It’s also possible to theorize that Democratic voters understand the depths of sexism and misogyny that would be unleashed against Warren (or any female candidate: see Clinton, Hillary), and decided to vote strategically for a male candidate. That notion deserves thought and discussion. You won’t find it at TDH”<br />AnonymousMarch 8, 2020 at 11:56 AM<br /><br />This Anonymouse said that TDH should entertain the "notion" that Warren lost because Democratic voters were so protective of Warren as to prevent her from actually <i>winning</i>. That voters would do this to shield her from the ensuing abuse from the Trump campaign. <br /><br />With that theory in mind, I offered that it's as likely that Warren was rejected by Democrats because they thought there were better candidates. Not better in the sense of being male and unlikely to face sexism, or more likely to win, but better as people.<br /><br />In the primary, voters were not in the process of comparing Warren's virtues and failings to Trump's, but to those of her colleagues. Voters could decide to spare themselves from having to face the brouhaha about Warren's heritage by choosing candidates who haven't done what she did. <br /><br />I could well have overestimated how Dem voters might feel about Warren's actions, but I wasn't comparing her disfavorably to Trump, but rather to the Dem candidates who have bested her in the primary. <br /><br /><br /><br />Ceceliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15162272807640653299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-86673761646127518792020-03-09T22:07:47.139-04:002020-03-09T22:07:47.139-04:00Cecelia,
I can’t agree with you on the first poin...Cecelia,<br /><br />I can’t agree with you on the first point. Our political landscape has been bulldozed and remade across the board by the Grifter-in-Chief and his merry band of kleptocrats.<br /><br />The second point relies on my estimate of the gap between “championing of fairness, equality, and the advancement of minorities in progressivism” as a public official and giving into temptation to gain some undeserved cred during one’s previous private life. The pettiness of her transgression just won’t sustain the weight of the condemnation.<br /><br />(Of course, that last applies to Democratic primaries only. Feral trumpers wouldn’t consider hypocrisy as the basis for the Pocohantas jibe. Their political lives thrive on hypocrisy. And they certainly wouldn’t care about “minorities in progressivism.” It’s just a chance to label the opponent as part of “the other.”) <br /><br />Standard disclaimer: all this is just my own opinion, unsullied by any polling or investigation. But I haven’t seen any fact-based analysis in the news either. Plenty of visceral distaste for Warren; plenty of guesses no more informed than my own.deadrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02828198094140822987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-8409200096264295752020-03-09T19:18:22.210-04:002020-03-09T19:18:22.210-04:00Deadrat:
No. 1 would be germane if Warren was alr...Deadrat:<br /><br />No. 1 would be germane if Warren was already the Democratic nominee and running against Trump rather running against her fellow primary opponents. <br /><br />#2 is a given, of course, but it belies the notion that some wrong actions are more significant than others and harder to swallow when they hold a sense of betrayal against bedrock principles for personal advancement. .Principles such as the championing of fairness, equality, and the advancement of minorities in progressivism. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Ceceliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15162272807640653299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-86966609177492420332020-03-09T18:19:29.137-04:002020-03-09T18:19:29.137-04:00This. This. This.
Yes, but
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