tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post6117260783774938408..comments2024-03-28T10:04:09.416-04:00Comments on the daily howler: Parker and Barbaro’s final cartoons!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-19382481302435460092012-11-10T01:30:56.229-05:002012-11-10T01:30:56.229-05:00The left hasn't had high expectations of the N...The left hasn't had high expectations of the NYT since -- forever. Mealy liberals have had high expectations for many years, yes, but even then, not terribly high -- the NYT provided just a sort of baseline, and some useful information on many stories. When the right started its concerted attack on "the liberal media" back in the Reagan years, only then did the NYT attract national attention as a "liberal" bastion: I know that you are, what am I? Bob S. falls prey to this logical fallacy (exercised deliberately by the right). He is often excellent on the failings of the NYT but led astray by calling those failings "liberal" pure and simple. Smart liberals make the distinctions he wishes the NYT, and more people of its readers, would make. Real leftists are making further distinctions.<br /><br />I guess I'm saying: Bob S. is at his strongest when he just advocates (through analysis) good journalism. He should stop obsessing about labels like "liberal," most of which the right defines in its tu quoque games that Bob S. should refuse to play. mchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-85532639804028381632012-11-10T00:10:55.569-05:002012-11-10T00:10:55.569-05:00re: "It is truly a mystery why Somerby contin...re: "It is truly a mystery why Somerby continually has such high expectations of news content contained in the NY Times. "<br /><br />It seems you haven't noticed the issue(mystery) in play is how the various methods of the NYT journalists/op-ed writers, which Somerby is trying to help us see, are actually serving to mislead some Americans about the actual functioning of governance systems in the USA. But then when a person mulls on that, if they hadn't succeeded in misleading you, then logically you wouldn't be making that comment about it being a "mystery". darn it. tactless again. sorry about that.<br /><br />Sam GunschSam Gunschnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-49383406994545253382012-11-09T15:29:01.599-05:002012-11-09T15:29:01.599-05:00And didn't Judith Miller work there too?And didn't Judith Miller work there too?Squeaky McCrinklenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-43148619302801511892012-11-09T15:12:23.698-05:002012-11-09T15:12:23.698-05:00 If I remember correctly, Al Gore did grow and bea... If I remember correctly, Al Gore did grow and beard and got fat! Oh, and he left his wife too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-41297855888022985022012-11-09T14:32:42.191-05:002012-11-09T14:32:42.191-05:00It is truly a mystery why Somerby continually has ...It is truly a mystery why Somerby continually has such high expectations of news content contained in the NY Times. <br /><br />Did the GOP or Bush create Whitewater and conflate into the bloated fraud it eventually became? No, the Times was responsible for that.<br /><br />To paraphrase Professor DeLong, the prime motivation for for media corporations is to provide eyeballs for its advertisers.<br /><br />Apparently, fluff and b*llsh*t sells. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com