tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post62052571322252292..comments2024-03-29T03:35:00.114-04:00Comments on the daily howler: WHO NEEDS JOURNALISM: MSNBC broadcasts a new, clearer tape!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger89125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-58004595443386806722012-12-19T07:28:22.310-05:002012-12-19T07:28:22.310-05:00Wonderful blog & good post.Its really helpful ...Wonderful blog & good post.Its really helpful for me, awaiting for more new post. Keep Blogging!<br /><br /><br /><a href="http://www.kendalldodgechryslerjeepram.com/" rel="nofollow">Dade Dodge</a>Miami Ramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03292317325190862010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-20490861027994868162012-04-02T13:52:19.442-04:002012-04-02T13:52:19.442-04:00It doesn't matter to the claim of self defense...It doesn't matter to the claim of self defense if Martin was doing nothing wrong when Zimmerman first spotted him, if he later did something wrong. It makes the shooting a "tragedy" but it does not make it illegal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-30994978488328358162012-04-02T10:07:00.515-04:002012-04-02T10:07:00.515-04:00Hey, you get to "believe" anything you w...Hey, you get to "believe" anything you want, with or without evidence. Just don't be a hypocrite and accuse others of doing the same thing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-762848619408574092012-04-02T10:02:26.590-04:002012-04-02T10:02:26.590-04:00Well to me, Zimmerman's claim that he "lo...Well to me, Zimmerman's claim that he "lost track" (your words) of Martin, sort of indicates to me that he was "tracking" Martin. With a loaded gun.<br /><br />That's exculpatory? On what planet?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-45793143960811407082012-04-02T07:53:54.072-04:002012-04-02T07:53:54.072-04:00The undisputed evidence on the 911 calls, and the ...The undisputed evidence on the 911 calls, and the undisputed evidence that Trayvon Martin was doing nothing wrong, posing no threat to anyone or anything when Zimmerman chose to follow him tells a much different story.<br /><br />But ignore all that. <br /><br />Do you really think this case is the first homicide case ever in which the suspect claimed self-defense?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-80801441623292370852012-04-02T00:02:24.154-04:002012-04-02T00:02:24.154-04:00HE'S STILL GUILTY! RACIST!HE'S STILL GUILTY! RACIST!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-8969044468280868652012-04-01T21:46:50.569-04:002012-04-01T21:46:50.569-04:00And the witnesses who saw the struggle on the grou...And the witnesses who saw the struggle on the ground while screaming was occurring at the same time? And the dead man face down shot in the chest? And the recorded call in which Zimmerman stated 4 or 5 times that he had lost track of Martin? There aren't many if's remaining here, and those that are debated aren't central to the case.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-4890329934796234782012-04-01T21:43:59.760-04:002012-04-01T21:43:59.760-04:00It isn't a simple claim with no evidence. Witn...It isn't a simple claim with no evidence. Witnesses, injuries, forensics, and logic have already told the story here.<br /><br />The prosecution will have the burden of proving that George Zimmerman did not act in self defense. The undisputed evidence of Trayvon Martin shot in the chest and landing on the ground with his hands under him after several witnesses saw a struggle on the ground tells 98% of the story. Zimmerman's head wounds and screams tell the rest.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-71495551379251492122012-04-01T21:40:28.978-04:002012-04-01T21:40:28.978-04:00MSNBC concedes injury to back of Zimmerman's h...MSNBC concedes injury to back of Zimmerman's head apparent on police video.<br /><br />http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/03/31/MSNBC-Admits-Zimmerman-Head-InjuryDavid in Calnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-40131637497489000772012-04-01T20:25:06.702-04:002012-04-01T20:25:06.702-04:00If, if, if, if.
And "if" Zimmerman is l...If, if, if, if.<br /><br />And "if" Zimmerman is lying through his teeth?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-70912023886265249642012-04-01T20:19:11.638-04:002012-04-01T20:19:11.638-04:00Think for a moment of what you are saying. Under y...Think for a moment of what you are saying. Under your theory, anybody can simply walk up to and kill anybody they want, then claim they were in a fight for their lives and had to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-59467724551955681412012-04-01T20:01:42.788-04:002012-04-01T20:01:42.788-04:00Zimmerman is not required to prove anything at all...Zimmerman is not required to prove anything at all, but if he is tried he need not prove any injury at all to have a legitimate claim of self defense. <br /><br />The prosecution will have no evidence that could convince beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman did not defend himself that night. It is highly doubtful the prosecution would aggressively accuse the police of cover ups or other mischief. <br /><br />Zimmerman is presumed to have been forced to defend himself and nothing has come out that would convince a nonbiased person beyond a reasonable doubt that this is not exactly what happened.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-78958603935334390352012-04-01T19:41:02.965-04:002012-04-01T19:41:02.965-04:00Zimmerman does not have to prove he sustained horr...Zimmerman does not have to prove he sustained horrible wounds or prove anything his father said was true, though I believe it is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-27198014958922314742012-04-01T19:39:11.264-04:002012-04-01T19:39:11.264-04:00If he was knocked to the ground and beaten that wa...If he was knocked to the ground and beaten that was enough for self defense if he reasonably feared imminent injuryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-38874605038471967992012-04-01T18:02:02.353-04:002012-04-01T18:02:02.353-04:00The author of the bill disagrees with you, counsel...The author of the bill disagrees with you, counselor.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-46060418245038950712012-04-01T18:00:51.642-04:002012-04-01T18:00:51.642-04:00Didn't say his side changed it. I said new det...Didn't say his side changed it. I said new details keep being added day by day and the story keeps getting better and better with each telling.<br /><br />We had Zimmerman telling the cops he had his head banged against a sidewalk several times and his nose broke, we have his daddy saying Trayvon directly threatened to kill him, and now we have his brother saying Trayvon went for Zimmerman's gun.<br /><br />Before it's over, Zimmerman will be holding off an entire gang of Crips, managing to shoot only one before they all ran off before the cops got there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-14513021588227160112012-04-01T16:18:06.166-04:002012-04-01T16:18:06.166-04:00Yes, Anonymous, we've heard a bunch of differe...Yes, Anonymous, we've heard a bunch of different versions. However, AFAIK that's because the media keep changing their story, not because Zimmerman changed his.David in Calnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-69630096418499748172012-04-01T14:20:20.797-04:002012-04-01T14:20:20.797-04:00"Zimmerman never claimed that he had harmed M..."Zimmerman never claimed that he had harmed Martin (other than shooting him)."<br /><br />That's because Zimmerman doesn't give a damn about Martin, even (other than shooting him). <br /><br />I might argue, in classic Somerby style, with one word: "contradicting." Instead, I might have written (looking at this, like Somerby does, with perfet 20/20 hindsight) "doesn't support the story . . ."<br /><br />In the life-or-death struggle Zimmerman described, wouldn't Martin at least have some marks on his hands from hitting him repeatedly? The kind of marks that the funeral director specifically said he looks for in order to cover up when he prepares a body for a funeral?<br /><br />Or are you saying the kid hit him once and Zimmerman shot him. Certainly not exculpatory even if it were true.<br /><br />And of course, that would be about the 403rd version of Zimmerman's story I've heard since this whole thing began. Keeps getting better and better every day as new "details" are added in each telling.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-74689462143535558982012-04-01T13:00:46.481-04:002012-04-01T13:00:46.481-04:00Damn. It happened again. I spent twenty minutes re...Damn. It happened again. I spent twenty minutes responding to Mitchell and posted. The post appeared, then upon refresh vanished. Has this happened to anyone else recently? It's beginning to piss me off.<br /><br />Another quick version of my response, point by point.<br /><br />First, Mitchell, you mistake retreat for impasse.<br /><br />You rely upon flimsy evidence to come to judgement, evidence I wouldn't hang my coat on, much less a conviction for murder. <br /><br />What's more, there will be no end to this impasse, not even when the evidence presented is irrefutable. And that's because you are a believer in this matter and I'm an agnostic. You refuse to acknowledge your biases. I acknowledge mine freely (see my guesses above). <br /><br />Your certainty about "fucking coons" is case in point. Even here, when pressed, those listening to the recording were ambiguous at best. And while Zimmerman may well have said "fucking coons", again as an audio engineer of long standing, I would swear in any docket that I could not be sure.<br /><br />As for your ridiculous assertions about pitchforks and mob mentality being used more by one tribe than another, that's either naive or meretricious. Reread Cannetti on mobs. Humans of all types respond to certain stimuli in certain ways when they assemble in crowds. It's banal but true.<br /><br />When Spike Lee tweeted and the old couple were inundated with threats, having to move from their home, was this not classic pitchfork/mob behavior? Why do you choose to ignore it? <br /><br />There is an impasse. You are arguing the case with flimsy evidence, evidence you've acquired from fleeting encounters with fuzzy video and sound, presented by pundits with a twist. I'm skeptical of anyone who appeals to my biases and presses me to join the tribe.sherrlockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08689553678430736101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-43518983716528700722012-04-01T11:20:21.030-04:002012-04-01T11:20:21.030-04:00CBS News incorrectly claims that evidence contradi...<a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7403734n" rel="nofollow">CBS News </a>incorrectly claims that evidence contradicts Zimmerman:<br /><br /><i>The Florida funeral director who handled the burial of Trayvon Martin says there were no signs of a scuffle on the dead teen, contradicting the story of the man who claimed he killed Martin during a violent scuffle. Martin died of a gunshot, the only apparent injury says the funeral director.</i><br /><br />Zimmerman never claimed that he had harmed Martin (other than shooting him). Zimmerman's story was that Martin broke his nose, knocked him down, and was bashing his head on the sidewalk. <br /><br />The real controversy has been over Zimmerman's medical condition. CBS News ought interview the person who gave Zimmerman first aid IMHO.David in Calnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-92214404497803753652012-04-01T09:01:01.267-04:002012-04-01T09:01:01.267-04:00Dadgum, that First Amendment, David. It just lets ...Dadgum, that First Amendment, David. It just lets people say and write anything they want.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-55335657552616165782012-04-01T08:59:54.465-04:002012-04-01T08:59:54.465-04:00I also imagine that these same paramedics will be ...I also imagine that these same paramedics will be testifying as to why, in their professional opinion, these horrible wounds on the back of his head required no dressing whatsoever, including even a Band-Aid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-31584018646986435132012-04-01T08:58:35.830-04:002012-04-01T08:58:35.830-04:00If, if, if, if, . . . The siren song of Zimmerman....If, if, if, if, . . . The siren song of Zimmerman.<br /><br />And you are quite correct, no evidence at all is required for a "claim." But when the accused can't support his own fantastic story (which still seems to grow even more fantastic with each person telling it), and when in fact the evidence not only fails to support it (which is all it has to do), but flat out contradicts it, then your client is in a world of hurt, counselor.<br /><br />Which is why defense attorneys strongly advise their clients and every one around him to keep their mouths shut.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-78209546263780804602012-04-01T08:43:21.762-04:002012-04-01T08:43:21.762-04:00Yep, up is down, left is right, and wrong is now r...Yep, up is down, left is right, and wrong is now right.<br /><br />You know you got to be living in some real bizarro word to think there is no evidence to charge this guy with (despite the 911 calls, the gun, and his admission -- how flimsy) and that his story of how he was so thoroughly getting his ass kicked has in any way been corroborated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-20140365656410059112012-03-31T23:54:06.768-04:002012-03-31T23:54:06.768-04:00It's more than astonishing that "liberals...It's more than astonishing that "liberals" here have taken the position that in the presence of strong evidence supporting his story but in the absence of evidence proving his story beyond a reasonable doubt, George Zimmerman should be arrested. Astonishing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com