tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post6227309088544374075..comments2024-03-28T19:53:08.795-04:00Comments on the daily howler: BREAKING: Lawrence would have called it a lie!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-54475883472259086092018-10-24T13:02:12.808-04:002018-10-24T13:02:12.808-04:00Hello,
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Meanwhile, http...Oh look, another shiny squirrel!<br /><br />Meanwhile, https://www.alternet.org/trump-crime-familys-grifts-are-right-front-our-nosesTimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-72049086865045474662018-05-22T16:34:55.676-04:002018-05-22T16:34:55.676-04:00FBI source in Russia probe raises alarms over poli...<i><b>FBI source in Russia probe raises alarms over political surveillance<br /><br />BY JONATHAN TURLEY,</b><br /><br />...Three questions, however, stand out over his role. The details of Halper’s work still are largely unknown. We know that the FBI carried out an investigation targeting Trump campaign officials with surveillance, document demands, and at least one informant. All of this was done through national security powers, where warrants are easily obtained and kept secret. We know this investigation began, at the latest, in July 2016 and that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act application was based in part on a dossier paid for by the Clinton campaign.<br /><br />We also know that key Justice Department officials expressed hostile views of Trump in emails, and that key Justice Department officials have been subjects of demotions and one criminal referral. Does this mean the use of Halper was improper or that the investigation was conducted in bad faith? No. Yet, there is a legitimate reason for an investigation into, as Rosenstein instructed, whether “anyone did infiltrate or surveil participants in a presidential campaign for inappropriate purposes,” adding “we need to know about it and take appropriate action.”</i><br />http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/388785-FBI-source-in-Russia-probe-raises-alarms-over-political-surveillanceDavid in Calhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09068188536758619565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-89536085415642390382018-05-22T14:42:51.466-04:002018-05-22T14:42:51.466-04:00"In the end, of course, it doesn't princi..."In the end, of course, it doesn't principally matter what you decide to call the FBI's conduct. It doesn't necessarily matter whether you call it "infiltration" or "surveillance"<br /><br />Except the title of Somerby's post is<br />"BREAKING: Lawrence would have called it a lie!"<br /><br />And the debate, in Somerby's view, is deceptive if you omit information, as Somerby accuses O'Donnell of doing. But the central issue remains: was what the FBI did "surveillance" or "infiltration" or not? Trump says it is, and sees something criminal. Lawrence says it was not, and that it proceeds from the concerns the FBI had prompted by Popadopolous mentioning stolen emails. <br /><br />So, yes, the issue is indeed what you call what the FBI did, which is the same thing in this case as deciding what the FBI did and whether it was appropriate. <br /><br />A reasonable person can imagine that, if the info about the professor is true, that the FBI's method was valid, and was not surveillance or infiltration, but rather information-gathering, and was warranted due to the concerns of collusion and interference of foreign actors to commit crimes and influence our election. <br /><br />And after all, Papadopolous wasn't forced to blab about emails, and he wasn't forced to accept the $3000, now was he? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-74475058770271750822018-05-22T13:59:07.248-04:002018-05-22T13:59:07.248-04:00They were hired by Don Rickles.
Try to keep up to...They were hired by Don Rickles. <br />Try to keep up to date with your conspiracies, please.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-78381628945666707752018-05-22T13:24:28.155-04:002018-05-22T13:24:28.155-04:00Yeah, but forget zombie-herding liberal hacks for ...Yeah, but forget zombie-herding liberal hacks for a second, Bob.<br /><br />"<i>It's the part of the story which could almost make it seem that the Trump campaign really was "infiltrated" or "surveilled" by the FBI.</i>"<br /><br />Why "by the FBI"? It could be infiltrated by any three-letter agency, or, for that matter, by contractors hired by the Clinton crime family... Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-55911020660296685412018-05-22T13:17:15.327-04:002018-05-22T13:17:15.327-04:00Has anyone actually confirmed that the person they...Has anyone actually confirmed that the person they are speculating was the informant is the person who the FBI asked to meet with these guys? They cannot tell the public that this person met with Papadopoulos and Page on behalf of the FBI if the FBI will not confirm who their source is. And it would be irresponsible to do more than speculate given that releasing this person's name and talking about him as if he were the actually informant may draw harassment from conservatives and the imbalanced right, up to and including physical danger and death threats. So they may have hesitated to include this info on purpose, to avoid disrupting a possibly uninvolved person's life. Yes, I know this hasn't stopped reporters before, but perhaps these guys are being a little more cautious in the light of past experience and the alt-Right's ugliness.<br /><br />"The informant didn't "infiltrate" or "surveil" the Trump campaign!"<br /><br />Meeting with people who are members of the campaign is not the same as infiltrating or surveilling that campaign. Everyone seems to have forgotten the conservative operative who tried to join Hillary's campaign staff in order to dig up inside dirt on her for right-wing use. That is an example of infiltration. No one is saying that this proposed FBI informant did anything like that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-59857577736836556242018-05-22T12:55:38.162-04:002018-05-22T12:55:38.162-04:00For what it's worth, it's my understanding...For what it's worth, it's my understanding that Page was being monitored by the FBI before his involvement with the Trump campaign, and that's the context of the interaction with Halper. I don't know what the FBI was supposed to have done otherwise when it saw that Page had become an adviser in the Trump campaign.Jonny Scrum-halfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10700652770637696602noreply@blogger.com