tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post6290992118668775656..comments2024-03-28T04:12:17.506-04:00Comments on the daily howler: Supplemental: Extremely bad reporting on Flint!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-82752483815830178582016-02-08T12:38:49.349-05:002016-02-08T12:38:49.349-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.CMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481861530761114492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-73331234532112614272016-02-08T12:34:11.586-05:002016-02-08T12:34:11.586-05:00Sanders is 74 and will turn 75 this year. Clinton ...Sanders is 74 and will turn 75 this year. Clinton is 68 and will turn 69 this year. Funny, the fact that Clinton is too old for the presidency wasn't raised by the Clinton people last summer when O'Malley declared.<br /><br />Again, the money Clinton received from Goldman Sachs was not for her campaign- or so we've been assured.<br /><br />Like it or not, Kissinger was what Democrats were supposed to be standing against when Bill Clinton did his draft avoidance two step and when Hillary first went to Washington. It's quite telling that for her cult followers it's enough for them to know that Hillary has left these mundane concerns behind her and is now an entrenched member of the Washington and New York sets of the elite. Rest assured, she still cares enough for the poor that she wants them off the dole and working in some poverty wage job somewhere for the sake of their own dignity. CMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481861530761114492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-45198216730858179132016-02-08T10:36:23.390-05:002016-02-08T10:36:23.390-05:00No candidate can afford to refuse campaign donatio...No candidate can afford to refuse campaign donations. It is "hopelessly out of touch" to expect them to do so. Like it or not, Kissinger is a former Sec of State. So is Albright. She has a variety of people endorsing her, from all different spectrums. Not everyone with a vote in the Fall holds your opinions and she needs every vote. A person who is seriously running for president cannot afford the ideological purity of Sanders (and his supporters). I think the idea that you can hold Sanders' views (no matter how attractive) and still win an election is hopelessly out of touch with the reality of politics. <br /><br />If Sanders had not chosen to run this vanity campaign, Clinton would not be subjected to these sorts of attacks from the left and she would go into the general election stronger. I cannot see on what basis weakening the most viable Democratic candidate can be justified. <br /><br />Here is the best argument against Sanders that I have heard in the last few weeks. He is 75 years old and would be 76 at inauguration. That means something in terms of cognitive ability, energy level and physical endurance. Look at how every president ages in office, including the younger ones. Now tell me Bernie is up to the job. He just isn't. Clinton is nearly 10 years younger. That alone disqualifies Bernie. <br /><br />It would be nice if aging didn't matter but it does. If you know any healthy 75 year olds, you will know what I am talking about. In fact, they will tell you about their own aging process. It isn't realistic to expect Bernie to do anything but attract publicity to his favorite issues. Since he has done that already, he needs to get out of the race and stop tearing down the Democratic frontrunner. But, since he understands nothing whatsoever about party and solidarity, he won't do that. So stupid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-26029602635524275742016-02-07T17:48:38.380-05:002016-02-07T17:48:38.380-05:00For Clinton to have taken money from that source i...For Clinton to have taken money from that source is a hint that she is hopelessly out of touch. And along those same lines, did you see who Clinton cited as a character witness for her in that last Democratic debate? Henry Kissinger. Smell the coffee Clintonites.CMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481861530761114492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-2802733634331006602016-02-07T15:32:34.206-05:002016-02-07T15:32:34.206-05:00Exactly. Jeb Bush broke campaign finance rules. Cl...Exactly. Jeb Bush broke campaign finance rules. Clinton used her status as a former Sec of State and First Lady to earn a living in an entirely legal and routine manner, consistent with what every other out-of-office politican or statesman has done. AND she used her stature to engage in fund raising for her family foundation, a charity that has benefitted people around the world. Jeb Bush, not so much. Bernie wants to say that's a bad thing. That makes him a silly, self-serving candidate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-59502960540528658702016-02-07T13:11:10.782-05:002016-02-07T13:11:10.782-05:00Jeb Bush collected money for his PAC, Clinton took...Jeb Bush collected money for his PAC, Clinton took money from Goldman Sachs for her own personal use. You're right, that's not the same thing.CMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481861530761114492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-15257358085014791792016-02-07T12:03:54.365-05:002016-02-07T12:03:54.365-05:00Jeb Bush was collecting money through his PAC befo...Jeb Bush was collecting money through his PAC before he declared as a candidate. Clinton took money for speeches. It isn't the same thing. But you know that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-62822400623222068312016-02-07T11:38:22.917-05:002016-02-07T11:38:22.917-05:00February 7, 2016 at 10:03 AM says:
[QUOTE] You ca...February 7, 2016 at 10:03 AM says:<br /><br />[QUOTE] <i>You cannot have a pass through to a campaign that is not yet begun. Jeb Bush certainly did what you are talking about, but Clinton might not have run had Biden declared earlier on, or she might have decided not to run....</i> [END QUOTE]<br /><br />(-; CMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481861530761114492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-14548256972102405442016-02-07T10:03:03.315-05:002016-02-07T10:03:03.315-05:00Clinton, like nearly every other out of office pol...Clinton, like nearly every other out of office politician, supported herself and paid off her previous campaign debt by giving speeches to private industry and other organizations. As has been previously noted, the fees for many of these speeches were donated to charity (their family foundation). I do not believe there should be special rules for Hillary Clinton, whereby she is not permitted to earn money in the same ways as male politicians, she is not permitted to take Wall Street funds because Bush and Obama permitted Wall Street to slide on their offenses, and she is not permitted to use a PAC because Bernie (who is not running a national, general election campaign) claims to be able to run a money-free campaign (a joke). Clinton's individual campaign contributions rival those of Sanders. He cannot get Wall Street big bucks, so he paints Clinton as dirty because she can. That is dishonest.<br /><br />You cannot have a pass through to a campaign that is not yet begun. Jeb Bush certainly did what you are talking about, but Clinton might not have run had Biden declared earlier on, or she might have decided not to run. Further, some of these speeches were too far in advance of any campaign to be fairly claimed as that. The inevitability of her campaign (another point raised by her opponents) may be non-existent. We don't know what her thought processes were concerning running and it wouldn't surprise me if it took considerable thought given the way she was treated last time around.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-86512184096745205192016-02-06T23:46:46.128-05:002016-02-06T23:46:46.128-05:00February 6, 2016 at 11:23 AM says:
[QUOTE] The an...February 6, 2016 at 11:23 AM says:<br /><br />[QUOTE] <i>The answer on Clinton's Wall Street funding is that ALL politicians receive money from a variety of lobbyists and corporations, PACs and individual donors.... It is the way our campaigns are financed, because campaigns cost a lot of money....<br /><br />Portraying Clinton as somehow greedy because she needs all the money she can get in order to run a winning campaign is grossly unfair....</i> [END QUOTE]<br /><br />Clinton's $675,000 speaking fees from Goldman Sachs came to her when she was a private citizen during a year in which, according to her, she was the only person in America who didn't know she was going to run for president in 2015 and 2016. If Goldman Sachs was paying her not for her services as a speaker but rather as a pass through to her campaign in order to avoid campaign finance restrictions then Goldman Sachs was committing a crime.<br /><br />So, what was the reason Clinton took that money again? <br /><br /> CMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481861530761114492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-17802480035681750402016-02-06T19:56:20.027-05:002016-02-06T19:56:20.027-05:00This would be irony @4:31, if you weren't such...This would be irony @4:31, if you weren't such a tool.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-21167821399533616352016-02-06T19:54:46.272-05:002016-02-06T19:54:46.272-05:00Meanwhile, Bernie Sanders called for the FBI to in...Meanwhile, Bernie Sanders called for the FBI to investigate Snyder over the Flint poisoning, yes using the word "poisoning". Not much exploitation there, do you think?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-47705289058199989242016-02-06T19:52:01.027-05:002016-02-06T19:52:01.027-05:00This isn't exactly a rebuttal, @2:47.This isn't exactly a rebuttal, @2:47.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-60721964046342715622016-02-06T19:48:59.807-05:002016-02-06T19:48:59.807-05:00@8:53 -- hate much?@8:53 -- hate much?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-10694837941941377242016-02-06T15:15:49.117-05:002016-02-06T15:15:49.117-05:00Flint is a phony scandal and Hillary Clinton knows...Flint is a phony scandal and Hillary Clinton knows this or should know it but will wildly exploit it throughout her campaign.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-78773812674415627272016-02-06T14:47:05.196-05:002016-02-06T14:47:05.196-05:00@ 11:23
Please, for the sake of Mrs. Clinton, t...@ 11:23 <br /><br />Please, for the sake of Mrs. Clinton, try not to explain anything on her behalf.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-12877266985420654372016-02-06T12:05:08.442-05:002016-02-06T12:05:08.442-05:00Tapper:
"I returned to cover the first Al Gor...Tapper:<br />"I returned to cover the first Al Gore v Bill Bradley debate in 2000 (reporters hissed Gore in the press file) and a few times since, but this will be my first Hanover anchoring"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-39049744766847657402016-02-06T11:23:24.623-05:002016-02-06T11:23:24.623-05:00The answer on Clinton's Wall Street funding is...The answer on Clinton's Wall Street funding is that ALL politicians receive money from a variety of lobbyists and corporations, PACs and individual donors. That doesn't mean they are bought and paid for, nor does it mean they are going to give favors to any of those donors. It is the way our campaigns are financed, because campaigns cost a lot of money.<br /><br />Sanders is not going to have a national campaign so he doesn't have to spend his individual donor money the way Clinton does. He can make big media buys in Iowa whereas she needs more money to do that and also develop her 50-state general election infrastructure (something Bernie will not need to do).<br /><br />In 2008, Obama received more Wall Street money than Clinton did (and Wall Street is her constituency). No one seemed to think that compromised him, although I think that argument could be made.<br /><br />Portraying Clinton as somehow greedy because she needs all the money she can get in order to run a winning campaign is grossly unfair. There is no evidence whatsoever that she has done anything to benefit Wall Street because of their donations (or speaking fees, for that matter). If Bernie spoke before the Vermont maple syrup grower's association, it would be comparable. That is his constituency. It is not Clinton's fault if Vermont doesn't have the same economic interests as New York. Nor is it Bernie's virtue.<br /><br />However, this is an example of a dishonest criticism and I don't think Bernie's people do their candidate any good by raising it. Not everyone considers Wall Street to be based on fraud, as Bernie does, and many understand how finance is essential to the functioning of our economy and regard the excesses as exceptions to normal business, not business as usual. It is juvenile to eschew the mechanisms that keep businesses running, give people jobs and keep our country financially healthy. We cannot all sit in the woods and make pottery to sell at local farmer's markets.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-54462360128989837502016-02-06T09:51:40.545-05:002016-02-06T09:51:40.545-05:00More on the Mike Allen/Politico front:
"Poli...More on the Mike Allen/Politico front:<br /><br />"Politico’s Mike Allen reportedly allowed a top Hillary Clinton aide at the State Department to write an item for his morning newsletter Playbook, according to emails obtained and published by Gawker Friday.<br />------<br /><br />It’s not the first time Allen has run into ethically murky territory with his inside-the-Beltway newsletter. Late last year, he came under fire for emails to Reines offering Chelsea Clinton a “no risk” interview as part of his Playbook-branded breakfast speaking series. He later apologized...."<br /><br />http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/mike-allen-philippe-reines-playbook-emails<br /><br />Bob will surely cover this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-67969784027602458522016-02-06T09:42:15.805-05:002016-02-06T09:42:15.805-05:00Followed your link...
“The reason Clinton doesn’t...Followed your link...<br /><br />“The reason Clinton doesn’t have a good answer on her Goldman Sachs speaking fees is there isn’t a good answer aside from ‘I wanted money’ .<br /><br />Read more: http://www.politico.com/playbook#ixzz3zOniknqHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-7231057165026741192016-02-06T09:22:12.035-05:002016-02-06T09:22:12.035-05:00Today the NY Times says Clinton is copying Bernie....Today the NY Times says Clinton is copying Bernie. Those rotten Clintons. And more about her emails.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-77544032251363333952016-02-06T08:37:48.828-05:002016-02-06T08:37:48.828-05:00Tapper fesses up http://www.politico.com/playbookTapper fesses up http://www.politico.com/playbookAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-75898153609339962682016-02-05T20:53:30.127-05:002016-02-05T20:53:30.127-05:00I remember when Maddow suppressed the basic facts ...I remember when Maddow suppressed the basic facts that there was a theory there was a legitimate traffic study underway. At least according to Little Lord Somerby. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-73133311602632223532016-02-05T20:50:28.965-05:002016-02-05T20:50:28.965-05:00News in another story where Bob claimed Rachel was...News in another story where Bob claimed Rachel was misrepresenting the truth to skewer a Republican governor.<br /><br />http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/bil-baroni-bridget-kelly-subpoena-christie-docsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-16921183189488722362016-02-05T18:59:57.651-05:002016-02-05T18:59:57.651-05:00"Are those numbers reliable? Professor Marc E..."Are those numbers reliable? Professor Marc Edwards has seemed to say they are."<br /><br />Since Bob has already lied about an exchange involving the Professor and the Clown, I would not believe him even if he wrote "Professor Marc Edwards has said they are." <br /><br />Unfortunately Comedian Somerby, the weasel, cannot help but qualify what he alleges Edwards says with "seems."<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com